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The technical report contains no experimental section, tables, or quantitative comparisons; it simply asserts the claim and links to the repository. Consequently the assertion is unsupported by any evidence inside the document and is exposed to common reproducibility failures (normalization mismatches, density-map generation differences, or optimizer settings).","agreement_with_reader":"agree"},"referee_report":{"model":"grok-4.3","summary":"The manuscript presents C³F, an open-source PyTorch framework for crowd counting. It claims three contributions: (1) baseline networks (e.g., CSRNet, MCNN variants) that achieve state-of-the-art performance, (2) flexible parameter-setting strategies to improve results, and (3) a logging system to enhance reproducibility. 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The central reproducibility claim therefore rests entirely on an external GitHub repository whose training loops, density-map generation, normalization, and evaluation protocols are not described or validated inside the manuscript.","section":"Full text (no experimental section present)"}],"minor_comments":[{"comment":"The phrase 'in three folds' should read 'threefold'.","section":"Abstract"},{"comment":"The manuscript would benefit from a short 'Code Structure' subsection that maps the GitHub repository layout to the three claimed contributions.","section":"Full text"}],"recommendation":"major_revision","confidential_remarks":"This is essentially a code-release note rather than a conventional research paper. If the journal does not publish such notes, rejection on scope grounds may be appropriate; otherwise the requested revision is simply the addition of a minimal results table that the authors presumably already possess."},"author_rebuttal":{"model":"grok-4.3","summary":"We thank the referee for the constructive comments on our technical report. We address each major comment below and indicate the planned revisions.","responses":[{"response":"We agree that the state-of-the-art claim requires explicit quantitative support inside the manuscript. In the revised version we will add a concise experimental section reporting MAE and MSE on ShanghaiTech (Part A/B) and UCF-QNRF, together with direct numerical comparisons to the scores published in the original CSRNet and MCNN papers. The abstract will be updated to reference these results.","revision_made":"yes","referee_comment":"[Abstract] Abstract, first contribution: the assertion that the released baselines 'have achieved the state-of-the-arts' is unsupported by any numbers, tables, or comparisons. No MAE/MSE values, no benchmark names, and no reference to original papers' reported scores appear anywhere in the document."},{"response":"We acknowledge the absence of an experimental section. The revision will include a new section that briefly describes the training and evaluation pipelines (density-map generation, normalization, and metrics) and reports sample results obtained from the released code. This will allow the reproducibility claims to be assessed from the manuscript itself while the full implementation remains on GitHub.","revision_made":"yes","referee_comment":"[Full text (no experimental section present)] No experimental section or results table exists. 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