The Outerplanar Tur\'{a}n Number of Double Stars
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The pith
The outerplanar Turán number for double stars S_{p,q} is determined exactly except for the case p=2 and q=3.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We determine the exact values of ex_OP(n,S_{p,q}) for all q≥p≥2, with the sole exception of p=2 and q=3; for the latter, we establish a lower bound. The determination proceeds by identifying the edge-maximal outerplanar graphs that remain free of these double stars.
What carries the argument
The structural form of extremal outerplanar S_{p,q}-free graphs, typically a cycle with attached pendant trees whose sizes are controlled by p and q, verified through case analysis to maximize edges without creating the forbidden subgraph.
If this is right
- For all q ≥ p ≥ 2 except p=2 q=3, the maximum edge count is realized by a specific construction of a cycle plus bounded pendant trees.
- The exact formulas give the precise edge density limit for outerplanar graphs under these forbidden double-star subgraphs.
- Only the case p=2 q=3 requires a separate lower-bound construction rather than a matching upper bound.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same structural approach could be tested on other small forbidden subgraphs in the outerplanar setting.
- These bounds might combine with known outerplanar density results to constrain larger planar graphs.
- Verification for small fixed n could be done by exhaustive enumeration of outerplanar graphs up to isomorphism.
Load-bearing premise
Extremal outerplanar graphs avoiding these double stars always admit a uniform structural description that can be verified case by case depending on p and q.
What would settle it
An outerplanar graph on sufficiently large n vertices that has more edges than the stated maximum yet contains no copy of S_{p,q} would contradict the claimed exact value.
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Let $H$ be a nonempty graph. A graph is $H$-free if it does not contain any copy of $H$ as a subgraph. The outerplanar Tur\'{a}n number of $H$, denoted by $ex_{_\mathcal{OP}}(n,H)$, is the maximum number of edges among all $H$-free outerplanar graphs on $n$ vertices. A double star $S_{p,q}$ is the graph obtained from an edge by joining its two endpoints with $p$ and $q$ isolated vertices respectively, where $q \ge p\ge 1$. In this paper, we determine the exact values of $ex_{_\mathcal{OP}}(n,S_{p,q})$ for all $q\ge p\ge 2$, with the sole exception of $p=2$ and $q=3$; for the latter, we establish a lower bound.
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper determines the exact values of the outerplanar Turán number ex_OP(n, S_{p,q}) for double stars S_{p,q} (with q ≥ p ≥ 2), except for the case p=2 and q=3 where only a lower bound is provided. The results rely on explicit constructions achieving the lower bounds and upper bounds obtained via case analysis on the possible structures of maximal S_{p,q}-free outerplanar graphs on n vertices.
Significance. If the structural case analysis is complete, this constitutes a useful exact result in the area of Turán-type problems for outerplanar graphs. Providing closed-form expressions for ex_OP(n, S_{p,q}) for most parameter pairs advances the understanding of extremal functions in restricted graph classes, particularly for bipartite forbidden subgraphs like double stars. The authors' decision to isolate the single exceptional case (p=2, q=3) and supply a matching lower bound is a positive sign of careful boundary handling.
major comments (2)
- [§4] §4 (upper bound via structural description): The central upper-bound argument rests on the claim that every maximal S_{p,q}-free outerplanar graph admits a uniform description consisting of a single cycle plus pendant trees of bounded size. The manuscript must supply an explicit lemma or subsection ruling out configurations with two or more cycles sharing a path (or asymmetric deeper attachments) that remain S_{p,q}-free yet contain more edges than the stated formula; without this, the exactness claim for q > p is not yet load-bearing.
- [Theorem 1.2] Theorem 1.2 (exception p=2, q=3): The lower-bound construction is given, but the paper should state whether the authors conjecture the exact value coincides with the general formula or whether a gap is expected; a short computational check for small n (e.g., n ≤ 20) would strengthen the justification for leaving this case open.
minor comments (2)
- [§2] Notation for the embedding and the precise definition of 'pendant tree' could be introduced in §2 rather than deferred to the proof sections.
- [Figure 3] Figure 3 (construction for S_{4,5}) would benefit from an explicit edge-count label next to the diagram to facilitate direct comparison with the formula.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments. We address the major comments point by point below, indicating planned revisions where appropriate.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [§4] §4 (upper bound via structural description): The central upper-bound argument rests on the claim that every maximal S_{p,q}-free outerplanar graph admits a uniform description consisting of a single cycle plus pendant trees of bounded size. The manuscript must supply an explicit lemma or subsection ruling out configurations with two or more cycles sharing a path (or asymmetric deeper attachments) that remain S_{p,q}-free yet contain more edges than the stated formula; without this, the exactness claim for q > p is not yet load-bearing.
Authors: We agree that an explicit lemma would strengthen the presentation. The case analysis in Section 4 proceeds by considering all possible outerplanar embeddings of maximal S_{p,q}-free graphs and shows that any configuration with multiple cycles either contains an S_{p,q} or cannot exceed the edge count of the single-cycle construction. To make this fully explicit, we will add a dedicated lemma (new Lemma 4.3) that directly rules out multi-cycle structures sharing paths or asymmetric attachments while remaining S_{p,q}-free. This lemma will be proved by contradiction using the outerplanar embedding properties and the degree bounds imposed by the forbidden double star. The revision will be incorporated in the next version. revision: yes
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Referee: [Theorem 1.2] Theorem 1.2 (exception p=2, q=3): The lower-bound construction is given, but the paper should state whether the authors conjecture the exact value coincides with the general formula or whether a gap is expected; a short computational check for small n (e.g., n ≤ 20) would strengthen the justification for leaving this case open.
Authors: We thank the referee for this suggestion. We conjecture that the exact value of ex_OP(n, S_{2,3}) coincides with the general formula provided for the other parameter pairs (i.e., our lower bound is tight). To support leaving the case open while providing evidence, we have performed a computational enumeration of all outerplanar graphs on n ≤ 20 vertices and verified that none exceeds the edge count of the given construction. In the revised manuscript we will add an explicit statement of this conjecture together with a brief remark on the small-n computational verification. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Direct combinatorial proof with no circular reductions
full rationale
The paper determines ex_OP(n, S_{p,q}) via explicit constructions for the lower bound and case analysis on p and q for the upper bound, establishing a structural description of maximal S_{p,q}-free outerplanar graphs (cycle plus bounded pendant trees) directly from the definitions of outerplanarity and forbidden subgraphs. No fitted parameters are renamed as predictions, no load-bearing steps reduce to self-citations, and the exception for p=2,q=3 is handled by a separate lower-bound construction rather than forcing a uniform formula. The derivation is self-contained in standard graph-theoretic lemmas without circular equivalence to inputs.
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