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Stability of dynamical quantum phase transitions in quenched topological insulators: From multiband to disordered systems
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Pith's one-line read This paper establishes that in quenched multiband topological insulators the Fisher zeros underlying dynamical quantum phase transitions generically form a (d-1)-dimensional set in momentum-time space, and that a quench into a three-band…
desk verdict Solid multiband analysis and a useful counterexample; the disorder-stability claim is an honest but unproven extrapolation from finite-supercell numerics. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The workhorse is the factorized Loschmidt amplitude $G(t)=\prod_k G_k(t)$ whose zeros are Fisher zeros; DQPTs are the resulting cusps of the rate function $g(t)=-\frac{1}{N}\log|G(t)|^2$. The argument runs on two criteria: the triangle-inequality overlap condition (5), which requires that no single band overlap exceed $1/2$ for a Fisher zero to be possible, and the dynamical exclusion condition (6), which forbids zeros when all post-quench phases lie on a minor arc of the unit circle. Dimensional counting uses ergodicity of the phases $e^{-iE_{k,\alpha}t}$ on the $n$-torus, yielding the generic $(d-1)$-dimensional Fisher-zero manifold. The Pancharatnam geometrical phase picture ties each Fisher zero to a phase vortex in momentum-time space. For disorder, the supercell representation promotes disorder coefficients into orbital indices of a $2\ell \times 2\ell$ Bloch Hamiltonian, making the Loschmidt amplitude real-analytic in the noise; this continuity is what lets the cusps survive finite disorder.
What would settle it
Compute the rate function and its time derivative for a genuinely aperiodic disordered Kitaev chain (no supercell repetition) at disorder strength $\Delta\mu_{\max}=2$ for system sizes $L=100$, $400$, $1600$: if the cusp near the critical time rounds off and disappears as $L$ grows, the supercell extrapolation would be falsified. Alternatively, test the three-band $(1,0,-1)$ counterexample with initial-state overlap exactly $1/\sqrt{2}+\varepsilon$ at all momenta; any Fisher zero at finite time would falsify the no-DQPT claim.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central discovery is that the existence of DQPTs is decided by where the Fisher zeros of the momentum-resolved Loschmidt amplitude $G_k(t) = \sum_{\alpha} |\langle u_{k,\alpha}|\psi_k\rangle|^2 e^{-iE_{k,\alpha}t}$ can be located, which is controlled by two independent conditions: the static overlap condition $|\langle u_{k,\alpha}|\psi_k\rangle|^2 \le 1/2$ for all $\alpha$, and a dynamical condition on the post-quench eigenvalues. For more than two bands, the overlap condition holds in an entire $d$-dimensional momentum region, so both real and imaginary parts of $G_k(t)$ must be tuned to zero, making the Fisher-zero set generically $(d-1)$-dimensional in momentum-time space; for two bands the admissible region is $(d-1)$-dimensional but zeros are guaranteed there, so the set is again $(d-1)$-dimensional. A three-band counterexample with Chern numbers $(1,0,-1)$ shows that a topologically nontrivial final Hamiltonian does not force DQPTs: if the initial filled band has overlap $> 1/\sqrt{2}$ with the trivial middle band everywhere, the overlap condition is violated everywhere and no Fisher zero exists at any time. For disordered systems, real-analytic dependence of $G_k(t)$ on the disorder amplitudes implies that Fisher-zero vortex-antivortex pairs move continuously, so cusps cannot vanish discontinuously for finite supercell size; extensive Kitaev-chain numerics indicate they survive the large-supercell limit up to substantial disorder.
Load-bearing premise
The conclusion that DQPTs survive true randomness rests on the unproven leap that, for very large supercell period $\ell$, a periodic disorder realization behaves like an aperiodic random chain, so that the limit of large system size does not destroy the cusps.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- In $d$ spatial dimensions, generic multiband quenches with $n>2$ bands have Fisher zeros on a $(d-1)$-dimensional manifold in momentum-time space: isolated points in one dimension, curves in two dimensions.
- The two-band result that a change of Chern number across the quench guarantees DQPTs does not extend to multiband systems; the $(1,0,-1)$ counterexample has a topological final Hamiltonian and yet no Fisher zeros.
- For any finite supercell size $\ell$, Fisher zeros and rate-function cusps persist as continuous deformations under increasing disorder; they cannot disappear discontinuously.
- Numerical evidence on the disordered Kitaev chain indicates that the cusps survive up to disorder strength comparable to the hopping and gap parameters as $\ell \to \infty$, i.e., approaching the truly disordered limit.
- The variance of the rate function across disorder realizations decays as $\sim 1/\ell$, indicating self-averaging of the return probability in large supercells.
Reading between the lines
- A testable extension would be to compute the dynamical topological order parameter for the $(1,0,-1)$ counterexample; the absence of Fisher zeros suggests the order parameter may also vanish, sharpening 'topology change implies DQPT' into 'only changes in the topology of fully occupied bands matter'.
- The supercell approach implicitly assumes that rare disorder configurations do not generate Fisher zeros in the thermodynamic limit; studying the extreme-value statistics of $\min_k |G_k(t)|$ across many realizations would probe this assumption.
- Because the paper assumes a single filled band throughout, the criterion (5) and the counterexample both need re-derivation for partially filled bands; the determinant form in Eq. (15) suggests the factorization structure, and with it the clean dichotomy, may break down there.
- If the $1/\ell$ variance scaling holds generally, DQPT rate functions would be self-averaging observables, making them robust diagnostics in experiments with disordered optical lattices and wires.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper studies dynamical quantum phase transitions (DQPTs) in multiband and disordered free-fermion systems. It derives necessary and sufficient conditions for Fisher zeros of the Loschmidt amplitude, uses a dimensional/ergodicity argument to claim that for more than two bands the Fisher zeros generically form a (d-1)-dimensional submanifold in momentum-time space, and constructs a three-band Chern-insulator scenario in which no DQPTs occur despite nontrivial band Chern numbers. The predictions are illustrated by Hofstadter-model simulations. For disordered systems, the paper introduces a supercell approach in which disorder is made periodic with period l, and presents numerical evidence that rate-function cusps persist up to significant disorder strength as l is increased, while explicitly acknowledging an order-of-limits problem for the truly disordered limit.
Significance. If its claims hold, the paper extends the topology-DQPT connection beyond two-band translation-invariant models and provides a dimension-dependent classification of Fisher-zero sets. The exact inequalities (5) and (6) and the explicit n=2 analysis are clean and useful, and the Hofstadter numerics support the dimensional picture. The disorder-stability result, however, is supported only by finite-period supercell numerics, and the paper itself concedes the lack of an analytical proof for the truly disordered case; as presented, the disorder claim is a numerical extrapolation rather than a demonstrated property. The multiband counterexample is conditional on an unproven existence assumption. These gaps are significant but addressable within the manuscript's scope.
major comments (3)
- [Sec. IV B and Sec. V] The central claim that DQPTs survive up to significant disorder strength in the truly disordered thermodynamic limit is not established by the presented numerics. All calculations in Figs. 3-5 are for periodic supercells of finite period l, and the paper itself states in Sec. V that a non-trivial order of limits problem renders an analytical proof for the truly disordered case elusive. Each fixed l corresponds to a different translationally invariant system (one random l-site pattern repeated infinitely), and the rate function g_l(t) in Eq. (21) is defined through a supercell Brillouin-zone integral that has no direct counterpart in the disordered thermodynamic limit. The statement in Sec. IV A that 'for sufficiently large l, the system resembles a disordered system' is a heuristic, not a controlled approximation. To support the headline conclusion, the authors should provide direct real-space simulations of a disordered Kitaev chain without supercell periodicity, with finite-size scaling, or else substantially soften the claim in the title and abstract.
- [Sec. II D] The proposed counterexample is conditional on the existence of an initial Hamiltonian whose lowest band has overlap >1/sqrt(2) with the central band of the post-quench Hamiltonian at all momenta, but no such Hamiltonian is constructed or even argued to exist. Since the text says 'we construct a basic counter-example', the authors should provide an explicit initial Hamiltonian H_i(k) realizing such a Bloch state as its occupied band, or at least explain why such a state is guaranteed to be representable as the lowest band of a gapped trivial Hamiltonian. Without that, the no-DQPT conclusion is a statement about an assumed state rather than a demonstrated counterexample to the general claim.
- [Sec. II C] The claim that Fisher zeros generically form a (d-1)-dimensional manifold for n>2 rests on a codimension/ergodicity heuristic rather than a proof. The argument that the real and imaginary parts of G_k(t) can be independently tuned to zero assumes transversality of the zero set and rational independence of the band energies on the admissible region; neither condition is stated or verified, even for the Hofstadter example. The authors should formulate this as a precise conjecture with explicit non-resonance conditions, and clearly separate the rigorous n=2 result from the generic-n expectation.
minor comments (4)
- [Sec. II D] There is a typo: 'DQOTs' in the sentence 'no Fisher zeros or DQOTs occur at any time' should read 'DQPTs'.
- [Eq. (21)] The definition of the rate function in Eq. (21) uses log|G^l_k(t)|, whereas the rate function defined in the introduction and used in Eq. (8) is based on log|G|^2. This introduces a factor of 2 inconsistency; please make the definitions uniform.
- [Sec. IV B, Fig. 5] The claimed ~1/l scaling of the variance is justified by invoking Eq. (16), which is exact only at zero disorder, and the text acknowledges this as an approximation. The figure caption should label the scaling as conjectural, since the independence assumption is not proven.
- [Sec. IV A] The statement 'For sufficiently large l, the system resembles a disordered system' is not quantified. Please specify in what sense (e.g., local observables, finite-order correlation functions) the resemblance is expected to hold, or replace it with a more precise statement.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the paper's central claims follow from explicit Fisher-zero criteria, a self-contained dimensional-counting argument, and direct numerical simulations; no fitted parameter or self-citation is renamed as a prediction.
full rationale
The derivation chain is self-contained. The multiband analysis starts from the exact factorized Loschmidt amplitude (Eq. (4)) and uses the necessary Fisher-zero condition (5) and the sufficient exclusion condition (6). The counterexample in Sec. II D applies condition (5) directly: an initial band with overlap >1/sqrt2 with one post-quench band violates the necessary condition at every momentum, so no Fisher zero can occur; this is a logical application, not a definitional rewording. The dimensional-counting claim in Sec. II C is an independent genericity argument (two real equations in d+1 variables, with ergodicity on the n-torus) and does not depend on any fitted parameter; the agreement with the authors' earlier mixed-state work [41] is corroboration, not input. The Hofstadter numerics are explicit simulations of the stated Hamiltonian. The disordered Kitaev chain study is likewise an honest numerical extrapolation: Sec. IV A states the periodic-supercell approximation ('For sufficiently large l, the system resembles a disordered system') and Sec. V explicitly flags the 'non-trivial order of limits problem' that prevents an analytical proof for the truly disordered case. That is an acknowledged limitation, not a circular reduction; the survival of rate-function cusps is observed in direct simulations, not obtained by fitting a parameter and then predicting the same quantity. The self-citations (Refs. [16] and [41]) supply the standard DQPT/geometric-phase framework and are not load-bearing in the new results: no uniqueness theorem or ansatz is imported from the authors' own prior work as the sole justification. Therefore the paper does not exhibit self-definition, fitted-input-as-prediction, or self-citation-based forcing.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (1)
- Kitaev chain numerical parameters (t=1, mu_bar=6, Delta=1)
assumptions (4)
- domain assumption The initial state is a filled lowest Bloch band, so the Loschmidt amplitude factorizes into single-occupied-mode overlaps.
- domain assumption Lattice translation invariance holds in the clean multiband models, giving momentum conservation and factorization of G(t) over k.
- domain assumption The post-quench Bloch phases are ergodic on the n-torus, requiring rationally independent energies E_{k,alpha}.
- domain assumption For large supercell period l, a periodic disorder realization is representative of a truly disordered system.
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read the original abstract
Dynamical quantum phase transitions (DQPTs) represent a counterpart in non-equilibrium quantum time evolution of thermal phase transitions at equilibrium, where real time becomes analogous to a control parameter such as temperature. In quenched quantum systems, recently the occurrence of DQPTs has been demonstrated, both with theory and experiment, to be intimately connected to changes of topological properties. Here, we contribute to broadening the systematic understanding of this relation between topology and DQPTs to multi-orbital and disordered systems. Specifically, we provide a detailed ergodicity analysis to derive criteria for DQPTs in all spatial dimensions, and construct basic counter-examples to the occurrence of DQPTs in multi-band topological insulator models. As a numerical case study illustrating our results, we report on microscopic simulations of the quench dynamics in the Harper-Hofstadter model. Furthermore, going gradually from multi-band to disordered systems, we approach random disorder by increasing the (super) unit cell within which random perturbations are switched on adiabatically. This leads to an intriguing order of limits problem which we address by extensive numerical calculations on quenched one-dimensional topological insulators and superconductors with disorder.
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