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The equivalence between Einstein and Jordan frames: a study based on the inflationary magnetogenesis model

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Pith's one-line read In Starobinsky R² inflation, Einstein-frame scale-invariant magnetic spectra become blue or red in the Jordan frame; simultaneous scale invariance would require a constant coupling, which generates no magnetic fields.

desk verdict The frame-comparison result is not secured: a missing term in the Jordan-frame mode equation changes the spectral indices, and the post-inflation section contradicts its own Eq. (57). read the letter →

arxiv 2504.18005 v1 pith:3IPNGMYR submitted 2025-04-25 astro-ph.CO gr-qc

Hang Wang , Shuang Liu , Yu Li , Yao-chuan Wang This is my paper · ORCID
classification astro-ph.COgr-qc PACS 98.80.Cq
keywords f(R)gravityJordanframeEinsteininflationarymagnetogenesisStarobinskyR2inflationconformaltransformationmagneticpowerspectrumequivalence
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This paper asks whether the Jordan and Einstein frames of $f(R)$ gravity describe the same physics, and answers with a concrete test: the spectrum of magnetic fields generated during Starobinsky $R^2$ inflation. Starting from the two Einstein-frame couplings that give a scale-invariant magnetic spectrum (equal power at every scale), $\alpha=-2$ and $\alpha=3$, it derives the corresponding Jordan-frame coupling through the conformal transformation—a rescaling of the metric that connects the two frames—and finds that neither choice remains scale-invariant there: the first becomes blue and the second red. It also follows the $\alpha=-2$ case through reheating, finding $d\rho_B/d\ln k\propto k^4$ in the Einstein frame and $k^8$ in the Jordan frame, with the Jordan-frame energy density higher, and both independent of the post-inflationary expansion history. The conclusion is that simultaneous scale invariance in both frames forces the electromagnetic coupling to be constant, which cannot break conformal invariance and so cannot generate primordial magnetic fields at all.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing object is the conformal translation of the electromagnetic coupling between frames. In the Einstein frame the coupling is a power law, $K(\tilde{\eta})\propto\tilde{\eta}^{\alpha}$; substituting the Starobinsky background relation between $\tilde{\eta}$ and the e-folding number $N$ turns this into a Jordan-frame coupling $I(N)=D\,[g(N)h(N)]$, where $g(N)$ and $h(N)$ are known functions of the $R^2$ background. Inserting $I(N)$ into the Jordan-frame mode equation $\partial_0\partial_0 A+(k^2-\partial_0\partial_0 I/I)A=0$ produces a Bessel solution whose index $\nu=\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{4\alpha^2-8a\alpha+4b+1}$ carries the frame translation: the functions $a$ and $b$ encode how the Starobinsky background distorts a power-law coupling when viewed from the Jordan frame. This machinery converts 'scale invariance' from a statement about $\alpha$ into a statement about $\nu$, and yields the simultaneous-scale-invariance condition $\alpha=-b/(2a+1)\approx0$.

What would settle it

Numerically integrate the exact Jordan-frame mode equation $\partial_0\partial_0 A+(k^2-\partial_0\partial_0 I/I)A=0$ using the full time-dependent $I(N(\eta))$, without freezing $\nu$, for $\alpha=-2$ and $\alpha=3$; if the super-horizon spectral index comes out close to $0.8769$ and $-1.08276$ respectively the central comparison holds, whereas a scale-dependent or substantially different index would show that the quasi-constant approximation, not the physics, produced the blue/red asymmetry.

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Core claim

The paper's central claim is that frame equivalence fails in inflationary magnetogenesis for the Starobinsky model. Concretely, with Einstein-frame coupling $K(\tilde{\eta})\propto\tilde{\eta}^{\alpha}$, scale invariance selects $\alpha=-2$ or $\alpha=3$. After translating $K$ to the Jordan-frame coupling $I(N)$ using the conformal transformation and the e-folding number $N$, the Jordan-frame mode function is a Bessel function with index $\nu=\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{4\alpha^2-8a\alpha+4b+1}$, where $a$ and $b$ are background functions of $N$. For the two scale-invariant Einstein choices the paper obtains $\nu\approx2.06155$, giving spectral index $2m+4\approx0.8769$ (blue) for $\alpha=-2$, and $\nu\approx3.04138$, giving $2m+4\approx-1.08276$ (red) for $\alpha=3$. The condition for both frames to be scale-invariant simultaneously is $\alpha=-b/(2a+1)$, which the paper evaluates as $\alpha\approx0$, i.e. constant coupling, in which case conformal invariance is unbroken and inflation produces no magnetic field. Post-inflation, matching the mode across the end of inflation for $\alpha=-2$ yields $d\rho_B/d\ln k\propto k^4$ in the Einstein frame and $k^8$ in the Jordan frame.

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that during inflation the e-folding number $N$ changes slowly enough compared with conformal time $\eta$ that the Jordan-frame Bessel index $\nu(N)$ can be treated as a constant when solving the mode equation; if $\nu$ actually varies significantly while $N$ runs from $0$ to roughly $60$ and $\eta$ shrinks exponentially, the reported Jordan-frame spectral indices are not established.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • A scale-invariant magnetic spectrum in one frame is a blue or red spectrum in the other, so in $R^2$ inflation the observed tilt would carry frame information.
  • For the Einstein scale-invariant case $\alpha=-2$, the post-inflation magnetic spectrum is blue in both frames ($k^4$ Einstein, $k^8$ Jordan), and the tilt does not depend on the post-inflationary history parameter $\beta$.
  • Successful inflationary magnetogenesis in the Starobinsky model requires a nonconstant coupling, which by this result rules out simultaneous frame-invariant scale invariance.
  • The same conformal-translation machinery can be applied to other $f(R)$ models, where the degeneracy to constant coupling need not hold; the authors explicitly point to similar analyses as future work.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the quasi-constant-$N$ approximation is relaxed, the exact Jordan-frame spectral indices for $\alpha=-2$ and $\alpha=3$ could differ from $0.8769$ and $-1.08276$; a direct numerical integration of the Jordan-frame mode equation with time-dependent $\nu$ would settle whether the blue/red asymmetry is an artifact or a robust frame signature.
  • The argument suggests a general diagnostic: any conformally non-invariant matter sector, not only electromagnetism, could be used to search for frame-dependent observables in modified gravity.
  • In other $f(R)$ models, $a$ and $b$ may not be negligible, so simultaneous scale invariance might be achievable with a nonconstant coupling; checking this would extend the paper's conclusion beyond Starobinsky inflation.
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Summary. This paper studies the physical equivalence of the Jordan and Einstein frames in the context of inflationary magnetogenesis in Starobinsky R^2 gravity. The authors assume a power-law coupling K ∝ a^{-α} in the Einstein frame, derive the corresponding Jordan-frame coupling through the conformal transformation (expressed in terms of the number of e-folds N), and compute the magnetic power spectra in both frames during inflation and reheating. They claim that the Einstein-frame scale-invariant cases α = -2 and α = 3 correspond to blue and red Jordan-frame spectra, respectively, and that simultaneous scale invariance in both frames would require a constant coupling. The post-inflationary analysis claims a k^4 spectrum in the Einstein frame and a k^8 spectrum in the Jordan frame for α = -2.

Significance. The question whether frame equivalence survives in a concrete magnetogenesis calculation is of genuine interest, and the strategy of fixing the Einstein-frame coupling and deriving the Jordan-frame coupling via the conformal transformation is a sensible one. If the calculations were correct, the result that scale invariance is frame-dependent would be a valuable cautionary example. The paper also makes a sharp, falsifiable prediction about the absence of simultaneous scale invariance except for constant coupling. However, the central Jordan-frame derivation contains a transformation error that changes the spectral indices, and the post-inflation section uses an internally inconsistent value of ν. These issues affect the main claims, so the paper in its present form does not establish its conclusions.

major comments (4)
  1. [Sec. 3.2, Eq. (47)] The transformation from η-derivatives to N-derivatives is missing a term. Since N = ln(a/a_i) and a ≃ -1/(Hη), one has dN/dη = -1/η, so ∂_η I = -η^{-1} ∂_N I and ∂_ηη I = η^{-2}(∂_{NN} I + ∂_N I). The statement ∂_ηη I = η^{-2} ∂_{NN} I in Eq. (47) drops the ∂_N I term, which is of the same order as the retained term: for I ∝ e^{-αN} it contributes α/η^2, while the retained term contributes α^2/η^2. Consequently the index ν in Eq. (50) and the spectral indices reported in Eqs. (54)-(57) are not correct. In the limit g ≈ 1 the corrected calculation gives I ∝ η^α and ν = sqrt(α(α-1)+1/4); for both α = -2 and α = 3 this yields ν = 2.5, so the claimed blue/red asymmetry between α = -2 and α = 3 is an artifact of the missing term.
  2. [Sec. 3.2, before Eq. (50)] The treatment of N as "sufficiently small relative to η" and hence quasi-constant is not justified. N runs from 0 to about 60 during inflation while η decreases exponentially, and comparing the dimensionless number N with the dimensionful conformal time η is not meaningful. The coefficients a(N) and b(N) in Eqs. (48)-(49) vary with N, yet the Bessel solution Eq. (50) assumes constant ν; the paper does not state at which value of N the numerical indices in Eq. (57) are evaluated. If the quasi-constant approximation fails, the Jordan-frame spectral indices, and with them the central frame comparison, are not established.
  3. [Sec. 4.2, Eq. (73)] The post-inflationary Jordan-frame result dρ_B/d ln k ∝ k^8 is obtained by setting ν = α = -2, but for α = -2 Eq. (57) gives ν ≈ 2.06, not -2. The value ν = -2 is not a solution of the Jordan-frame mode equation for α = -2 under the stated ansatz, so the k^8 spectrum in Eq. (73) is not derived from the preceding equations. In addition, the abstract states that in the post-inflationary phase the Jordan-frame magnetic field evolves into a red spectrum, whereas Sec. 4.2 and the Summary state that it is blue; these statements contradict each other.
  4. [Sec. 3.2, Eq. (58)] The no-go relation α^2 - 2aα + b = α^2 + α is not derived from the scale-invariance conditions stated earlier. Setting ν = ±5/2 in ν² = α² - 2aα + b + 1/4 gives α² - 2aα + b = 6, not α² + α. Furthermore, a and b in Eqs. (48)-(49) are functions of α themselves, so the statement that they are "negligible" and hence α ≈ 0 requires a self-consistent numerical check that is not provided. The conclusion that simultaneous scale invariance forces a constant coupling is therefore unsupported as written, even though the earlier enumeration (α = -2, 3 vs. α ≈ ±2.44949) already suggests no overlap.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Abstract and Sec. 4.2] The abstract's statement about the post-inflationary Jordan-frame spectrum is ambiguous: it says the Jordan frame evolves into a red spectrum, while Sec. 4.2 and the Summary report a blue spectrum in both frames. This needs to be reconciled.
  2. [Eq. (2)] The Jordan-frame action in Eq. (2) is missing the integration measure: it reads "S_JF = 1/(2κ) d^4x..." instead of an integral over d^4x√(-g).
  3. [Eq. (22)] Eq. (22) appears to be dimensionally inconsistent: the term "2∂0K/K" is not written as acting on ¯A_i, and the k² term is not multiplied by ¯A_i. The reader has to infer the intended equation from the subsequent text.
  4. [Throughout] The phrase "scalar invariance" in the paragraphs around Eqs. (55)-(58) and in the Summary should be "scale invariance".
  5. [References] The reference list contains duplicates and internal inconsistencies: Ref. 12 is cited both for the Starobinsky background and for the general f(R) review, and Refs. 22 and 25 are the same arXiv preprint. This should be cleaned up.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the Jordan-frame magnetic spectrum is derived from the conformally transformed coupling function, not assumed; the no-go follows from solving the mode equations.

full rationale

The paper's central comparison is not circular. The Einstein-frame scale-invariant couplings α=-2 and α=3 are inputs chosen from the standard Bessel solution of the mode equation (Eqs. (24)-(33)), not fitted to the Jordan-frame result. The Jordan-frame coupling I(N) is then obtained by conformal transformation from K(η̃) (Eqs. (38)-(45)), and the Jordan-frame spectral index m is computed from the resulting Bessel equation (Eqs. (47)-(54)) rather than imposed. The simultaneous-scale-invariance no-go (Eq. (58)) is derived by equating the Einstein condition α²-α=6 with the Jordan condition α²-2aα+b=6 and solving for α, which yields a constant coupling in the small-a,b limit. No load-bearing self-citation appears: cited results (e.g., [12], [26], [27]) are standard external references, and none of the authors overlap with those citations. The derivation is therefore self-contained. Correctness concerns exist—Eq. (47) omits the ∂N I term in ∂ηη I since dN/dη = -1/η, and Sec. 4 sets ν=α=-2 inconsistently with Eq. (57)—but these are mathematical errors or approximation issues, not circular reductions.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 6 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central calculation rests on a standard conformal-frame setup, a power-law electromagnetic coupling ansatz in the Einstein frame, and a quasi-constant e-fold approximation in the Jordan frame; no new entities are introduced.

free parameters (3)
  • α (Einstein-frame coupling exponent) = α=3 and α=-2 for scale-invariant Einstein spectrum; α≈±2.449 for Jordan scale-invariance
    Chosen by hand to match the desired scale-invariant spectrum, not derived from f(R) or particle physics.
  • β (post-inflation coupling exponent) = unspecified
    Introduced in Eq.(59) for reheating; drops out of the k-dependence but remains a free model parameter.
  • H_i (initial Hubble scale) = ≈10^16 GeV
    Used to evaluate a(N) and b(N) numerically in Sec.3.2; the Jordan-frame Bessel index depends on this choice.
assumptions (6)
  • domain assumption The Jordan and Einstein frames are related by the conformal transformation g̃=φ g with φ=f_R, and F_μν is invariant under the transformation.
    Used in Sec.2 to translate the action, the couplings I(φ) and K(φ̃), and the mode equations.
  • ad hoc to paper The Einstein-frame coupling K(ã)=K_i(ã/ã_i)^{-α} is an exact power law during inflation.
    Assumed in Eq.(24); it sets the Bessel indices and all spectral indices.
  • ad hoc to paper The e-fold number N can be treated as quasi-constant when solving the Jordan-frame mode equation.
    Invoked before Eq.(50); N changes by about 60 during inflation, so the approximation is a load-bearing simplification.
  • domain assumption The Starobinsky R² background solutions for φ(t), a(t), and H̃(t̃) from ref [12] are valid.
    Equations (25), (40), (41), and (44) provide the background used to convert between η, N, and φ.
  • standard math Bunch-Davies vacuum initial conditions select the mode coefficients.
    Equations (29) and (51) set c1,c2 and C1,C2 in the Bessel solutions.
  • domain assumption At the end of inflation, φ and a are continuous and √φ_2≈√φ_1f during reheating.
    Used in Eq.(67) to construct I2 and in Eq.(69) to simplify the Jordan-frame post-inflation coupling.

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abstract

The equivalence of the Jordan and Einstein frames has been a subject of considerable interest in the field. In this paper, within the context of $f(R)$ gravity, we explore the inflationary magnetogenesis model, focusing on the magnetic field energy density and its spectrum in both the Jordan and Einstein frames to elucidate the equivalence between these two reference frames. Our analysis reveals that during the inflationary epoch, while the magnetic field exhibits a scale-invariant spectrum in the Einstein frame, it demonstrates a blue spectrum in the Jordan frame. Additionally, we investigate the post-inflationary evolution of the magnetic field's energy density in both frames, uncovering that for scale-invariant spectra in the Einstein frame during inflation, the magnetic field transitions to a blue spectrum, whereas in the Jordan frame, it evolves into a red spectrum. We also establish the conditions under which both frames may exhibit scale-invariant spectra simultaneously during the inflationary period.

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