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Combatting Dimensional Collapse in LLM Pre-Training Data via Diversified File Selection

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Pith's one-line read Selecting pre-training files to maximize embedding decorrelation, not domain similarity, lets 1.5% of SlimPajama (about 9B tokens) beat full-data pre-training within a 50B-token budget on nine tasks.

desk verdict Solid idea, honestly reported; the headline 5x data-efficiency number is not yet established because the 1.5% budget was chosen post hoc and the main runs have no seed variance. read the letter →

arxiv 2504.20644 v1 pith:6JV3NVMQ submitted 2025-04-29 cs.LG

classification cs.LG
keywords dataselectionpre-trainingcurationdimensionalcollapsefeaturediversityFrobeniusnormdecorrelationweaklysubmodularoptimizationefficiencylargelanguagemodels
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The reading

The paper claims that the right criterion for choosing LLM pre-training data is not similarity to a 'high-quality' domain but diversity: pick text files whose embeddings are decorrelated from one another. Domain-targeted selectors such as DSIR and QuRating, the paper argues, suffer a diversity dilemma — dimensional collapse in feature space that helps domain-like tasks while hurting general performance. DiSF selects files by minimizing the Frobenius norm of the feature covariance matrix, which by the paper's Lemma 1 is the same as flattening the eigenvalue spectrum toward a uniform distribution. Trained on just 1.5% of SlimPajama's roughly 590M files (about 9B tokens), TinyLlama models from 120M to 1.1B parameters outperform full-data pre-training within a 50B-token budget across nine evaluation tasks, gaining about 1.5x training efficiency and 5x data efficiency. A sympathetic reader should care because this suggests redundancy, not source quality, is the dominant correctable cost in pre-training data.

What carries the argument

The carrying mechanism is the covariance-Frobenius proxy $F^{\text{DiSF}}_M(U) = e^{-\|C(U,M)\|_F}$, computed from Contriever embeddings that are standardized per dimension. Lemma 1 is the hinge: because standardized features have trace $d$, the eigenvalue spread equals $\sum_i(\lambda_i - \bar{\lambda})^2 = \|C(U,M)\|_F^2 - d$, so minimizing the Frobenius norm is exactly flattening the eigenvalues — decorrelation and dimensional diversity become one objective. A classical greedy algorithm maximizes the proxy at batch scale (the paper uses a selection scale of $b = 1024$), and the analysis bounds the weak-submodularity ratio below by $e^{-2\mu}\frac{e^{2\mu-\epsilon}-1}{e^{2\mu}-1}$, which yields the greedy approximation guarantee. The same machinery diagnoses the baselines: the dominance score $\sum_{i=1}^k \lambda_i / \sum_j \lambda_j$ quantifies how collapsed each method's selected feature distribution is, and DiSF attains the most uniform spectrum of all methods compared.

What would settle it

Run DiSF's selection pipeline after destroying the geometry the criterion relies on: apply a random fixed rotation or projection to the Contriever embeddings before computing the covariance, so that decorrelation in the scrambled space no longer corresponds to any real semantic diversity. If the scrambled-feature selection still matches or beats full-data pre-training on the nine tasks, the decorrelation criterion itself is not carrying the gains; if performance collapses toward random-selection levels, the frozen feature space is confirmed as load-bearing. A complementary check is to compare DiSF with a deliberate non-uniform-spectrum diversity objective (for example, greedy log-determinant selection, the variant the paper calls DiSF-LD) at identical budgets: if that variant matches DiSF, generic diversity rather than eigenvalue uniformity is the active mechanism.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

The paper's central discovery is a diagnosis paired with a cure: file selection driven by similarity to a target domain (heuristic classification, DSIR, QuRating) concentrates the embeddings of chosen files in a thin, lower-dimensional slice of feature space, and this dimensional collapse is what inflates domain-like task scores while dragging down general performance. The proposed remedy, DiSF, treats a set of files as good when its feature covariance matrix $C(U,M)$ has minimal Frobenius norm $\|C(U,M)\|_F$, because for standardized features $\sum_i (\lambda_i - 1)^2 = \|C(U,M)\|_F^2 - d$: uniform eigenvalues and a small Frobenius norm are the same target. Maximizing the non-negative proxy $F^{\text{DiSF}}_M(U) = e^{-\|C(U,M)\|_F}$ with a batch greedy algorithm yields, the paper proves via $\gamma$-weak submodularity, a $(1-e^{-\gamma})$-approximation to the optimal selection; empirically, the chosen 1.5% slice outperforms full-data pre-training at every model size tested. Stated as the authors would state it: decorrelating selected files in a frozen, off-the-shelf feature space is a sufficient proxy for the diversity that improves general LLM performance under a fixed token budget.

Load-bearing premise

The entire method rests on assuming that 'diverse' text, as measured by how evenly its Contriever embeddings spread across feature dimensions, is the same thing as text that improves LLM pre-training; the paper replaces the true objective of final task performance with this proxy without proving they coincide, and its formal guarantee for greedy selection depends on constants $\epsilon$ and $\mu$ (Assumptions 1 and 2 in Appendix A.5.3) that are left uncomputed.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • DiSF reaches or exceeds full-data pre-training performance using 1.5% of SlimPajama's files (about 9B tokens) inside a 50B-token budget, yielding about 5x data efficiency and about 1.5x training efficiency; the appendix quantifies the token share needed as 0.15 to 0.20 of the full-data corpus across model sizes.
  • The diversity dilemma is demonstrably avoidable: unlike DSIR, QuRating-W, and heuristic filtering, DiSF does not trade reading-comprehension gains for losses on physical-world tasks, and its average advantage over DSIR grows with training budget (from 2.1% to 3.4% on the 1.1B model) and with model scale (from 2.8% to 3.4% from 120M to 1.1B parameters).
  • The selection transfers across architectures (TinyLlama, Pythia, OPT), to a larger 3B model, and to a code-augmented corpus (SlimPajama plus StarcoderData), where domain-targeted selection visibly degrades code ability.
  • Selection ratio is a tunable dial with a peak near 3% of files (about 20B tokens) for TinyLlama 120M at a 50B budget; beyond that, performance declines toward full-data levels, so more selected data is not monotonically better.
  • No trained proxy or target domain is needed: a frozen off-the-shelf encoder (Contriever) suffices, and the selection cost is $O(|S|^2 b d^2)$, independent of total corpus size.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Because the criterion is defined on any embedding space, a natural untested extension is an adaptive feature extractor — for instance, re-selecting files from the model's own hidden states during training — which would tighten the loop between the diversity proxy and the representation actually being learned.
  • If spectrum-flatness is the right lens for diversity, scaling-law practice should treat redundancy as a first-class variable: the marginal value of an extra pre-training token should shrink as the selected corpus's covariance spectrum approaches uniformity, making the optimal corpus size a function of the compute budget rather than only of the data source.
  • The paper's own peak at a 3% selection ratio hints at a coupling the authors leave implicit: the optimal selection ratio and the token budget are linked, since a larger budget can absorb more decorrelated files before marginal returns vanish; mapping DiSF's optimum at other budgets (for instance 100B tokens) would chart this trade-off.
  • A direct extension to domain-mixture weighting suggests itself: apply the same covariance-Frobenius objective at the domain level to set mixture proportions, which would connect DiSF to mixture-optimization methods while keeping its freedom from trained proxies.
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Referee Report

4 major / 6 minor

Summary. This paper proposes DiSF, a file-selection method for LLM pretraining that greedily chooses text files to minimize the Frobenius norm of the feature covariance matrix in a frozen Contriever embedding space, framed as γ-weakly submodular maximization. Experiments on TinyLlama (120M/560M/1.1B) with 10B and 50B token budgets on SlimPajama claim consistent average improvements over baseline selectors on nine Harness tasks, and that selecting 1.5% of files (about 9B tokens) outperforms full-data pretraining under a 50B budget, yielding approximately 1.5x training efficiency and 5x data efficiency.

Significance. If established, the efficiency gains would make DiSF a practical and inexpensive addition to LLM data curation: it uses an off-the-shelf feature extractor, its selection cost is moderate, and the code is provided. The paper also offers a benchmark across model sizes and ablations over architectures and feature extractors. However, the central efficiency claim is not yet secured, because the budget was chosen post hoc on the evaluation tasks and the main comparisons are single runs; the theoretical analysis in the appendix is also incomplete. These issues are fixable and do not invalidate the core idea, but they must be addressed before the paper's headline claims can be accepted.

major comments (4)
  1. [Section 4.1, Section 4.3, Figure 8] Section 4.1 states: "we choose to report performance with a 1.5% selection budget, since it achieves comparable performance compared to Full Data pre-training under 50B pre-training budget on TinyLlama 1.1B." This openly acknowledges that the 1.5% budget was selected after inspecting the evaluation results. Because Figure 8 shows that the budget-performance curve is non-monotonic (the 120M model peaks at 3% and declines), the "5x data efficiency" and "1.5x training efficiency" claims in Section 4.3 and the Abstract are not properties of a fixed selection protocol; they are the result of an oracle choice on the evaluation tasks. Please report results for a pre-registered budget or for a range of budgets with error bars, and derive the efficiency claims from that protocol.
  2. [Table 2, Figures 5-6] All main results in Table 2 and Figures 5-6 are single training runs without seed variance. The headline comparison to Full Data relies on differences of roughly 0.5-1 point on the 7-task average for TinyLlama 1.1B with 50B tokens (e.g., DiSF 45.2 vs. QuRating-A 44.8 and Doremi 44.5 in Table 2). These margins are comparable to typical seed-to-seed variation in small-model pretraining, and the confidence intervals in Table 3 are evaluation-level only. Please provide seed-averaged results for the main table and the efficiency curves, or otherwise justify why single runs are sufficient for the claimed superiority.
  3. [Section 3.2, Appendix A.5.3] The derivations leading to the claimed weak-submodularity lower bound appear to have a direction error. Assumption 2 gives e^{-Δ(e|B)} ≤ e^{2μ}; since the function (e^{-Δ-ε}-1)/(e^{-Δ}-1) is increasing in e^{-Δ} for e^{-Δ}<1, the substitution yields an upper bound rather than the claimed lower bound e^{-2μ}(e^{2μ-ε}-1)/(e^{2μ}-1). Moreover, the constants ε and μ are never estimated, and the result is conditioned on "positive gain" without a precise characterization. Please correct the derivation or explicitly state that the theoretical guarantee rests on unvalidated assumptions; if the bound cannot be repaired, consider removing the approximation guarantee from the main text.
  4. [Section 3.1, Eq. (5)] The selection objective replaces the true objective in Eq. (1) with the Frobenius norm of the covariance matrix in a fixed Contriever feature space, but the paper does not establish that this proxy is aligned with downstream performance beyond the qualitative correlation in Figure 4. This is a load-bearing assumption for the method's validity. Please add a limitation paragraph discussing this gap, or provide an analysis (e.g., rank correlation between proxy values and held-out task performance across several feature extractors) to justify the proxy.
minor comments (6)
  1. [Sections 2.2, 3.1, 4.1, and References] The citation "Renduchintala et al., 1991" is incorrect; INGENIOUS was published at EMNLP 2023, and the reference entry should be updated accordingly.
  2. [Section 3.2] The phrase "a element x" should read "an element x", and the domain of the set function should be written consistently as 2^Ω rather than 2^N when the ground set is denoted Ω.
  3. [Algorithm 1] In the pseudocode, the removal step "bi←bi\{x*}" is placed after the while-condition check, so the initial random sample is removed only in the first loop iteration; please reorder the lines to make the loop invariant explicit.
  4. [Appendix A.5.3] The proof uses the letter e both for the added sample and for Euler's number, which makes the formulas difficult to follow; please use a different symbol (e.g., s) for the added sample.
  5. [Table 2 caption] The caption promises color highlighting ("bold blue, black, and red") that is not visible in the monochrome text; please use textual markers or an accessible color scheme instead.
  6. [Section 4.1] The sentence explaining the choice of 1.5% selection budget should be accompanied by a discussion of the risk of post-hoc selection, or moved to a limitations paragraph, since the same evaluation tasks are used for the headline result.

Circularity Check

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No material circularity: DiSF's objective is defined externally and evaluated on independent benchmarks; the only by-construction element is the eigenvalue-uniformity metric, which is the optimized objective itself.

  1. self definitional [Section 3.1 (Eqs. 4-6, Lemma 1) and Figure 3]
    "our goal is to prevent dimensional collapse by ensuring more uniform eigenvalues in the covariance matrix of the selected samples. Directly calculating and selecting based on eigenvalues are costly, but it is feasible to optimize the Frobenius norm of the covariance matrix ∥C∥F ... From Lemma 1, it is evident that ensuring the uniformity of the eigenvalues of the covariance matrix can be translated into minimizing the Frobenius norm of the covariance matrix."

    The selection objective in Eq. 5 is defined as arg max -||C(U,M)||_F, and Lemma 1 is the identity that the eigenvalue variance equals ||C||_F^2 - d. Consequently the reported eigenvalue uniformity / reduced dominance score of DiSF (Figure 3) is not an empirical discovery; it is the objective function itself. The paper optimizes exactly the quantity it then presents as evidence of success, so this part of the validation is true by construction. This does not affect the downstream Harness-task comparisons, which are external to the selection objective.

full rationale

The central derivation chain is self-contained against external evidence. DiSF's proxy space comes from a fixed, off-the-shelf Contriever encoder, and the headline improvements are measured on independent Harness tasks; no downstream benchmark value appears in Eq. 5, so the selection is not fitted to the evaluation it is validated on. The theoretical claims (gamma-weak submodularity, Lemma 1) are mathematical statements, not circular reductions, although the submodularity guarantee depends on uncomputed constants epsilon and mu. The only by-construction element is the eigenvalue-uniformity claim, which is the optimization objective restated; the paper is transparent that this is the goal. Separately, the 1.5% budget and derived 5x data-efficiency claim are selected after observing comparable performance on the same benchmark (Section 4.1), which is a post-hoc reporting concern rather than a circularity in the algorithm; it weakens the headline efficiency number but does not make the method's derivation equivalent to its inputs. Self-citations (e.g., Fan et al. 2024 for dimensional collapse) are not load-bearing because the concept is independently established and cited. Overall score 1: no material circularity.

Assumptions & free parameters 4 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on an empirical proxy (feature-space covariance) and on two unestimated theoretical constants; no new physical entities are introduced.

free parameters (4)
  • selection budget ratio = 1.5%
    Chosen in Section 4.1 because it achieves comparable performance to full-data pretraining at 50B tokens, so it is selected after inspecting the outcome.
  • selection scale b = 1024
    Chosen via ablation in Figure 7 as the ideal point balancing compute and performance; a tuning decision.
  • epsilon (Assumption 1) = unknown
    Upper bound on gain difference in Assumption 1; never estimated, so the weak-submodularity guarantee is qualitative.
  • mu (Assumption 2) = unknown
    Upper bound on average utility in Assumption 2; never estimated, making the gamma-weak submodularity bound non-quantitative.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption Contriever embeddings capture the semantic diversity relevant for LLM pretraining
    Eq. 3 and Eq. 5 replace the training objective with a covariance penalty on these features; no justification that this feature space is aligned with text diversity that improves pretraining.
  • domain assumption Uniform eigenvalues of the feature covariance imply better pretraining data
    Section 2.3 posits that lower dominance score (more uniform eigenvalues) indicates richer information; this is borrowed from self-supervised learning and not proven for LLM pretraining.
  • ad hoc to paper The proxy function FDiSF is monotone and weakly submodular with positive gain
    Section 3.2 and Figure 4 provide empirical monotonicity, and the submodularity ratio lower bound uses Assumptions 1 and 2 which are introduced ad hoc for this proof.
  • domain assumption The Harness tasks are a valid measure of generic performance
    Eq. 1 assumes A can be inferred from nine tasks; the paper uses these as the sole metric.
  • standard math Standard normalization z=(f-mu)/sigma makes trace(C)=d
    Used in Lemma 1 to relate eigenvalue uniformity to Frobenius norm; the identity is algebraically correct.

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Pith. "Pith review of Combatting Dimensional Collapse in LLM Pre-Training Data via Diversified File Selection." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/6JV3NVMQ

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  title        = {Pith review of: Combatting Dimensional Collapse in LLM Pre-Training Data via Diversified File Selection},
  year         = {2026},
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abstract

Selecting high-quality pre-training data for large language models (LLMs) is crucial for enhancing their overall performance under limited computation budget, improving both training and sample efficiency. Recent advancements in file selection primarily rely on using an existing or trained proxy model to assess the similarity of samples to a target domain, such as high quality sources BookCorpus and Wikipedia. However, upon revisiting these methods, the domain-similarity selection criteria demonstrates a diversity dilemma, i.e.dimensional collapse in the feature space, improving performance on the domain-related tasks but causing severe degradation on generic performance. To prevent collapse and enhance diversity, we propose a DiverSified File selection algorithm (DiSF), which selects the most decorrelated text files in the feature space. We approach this with a classical greedy algorithm to achieve more uniform eigenvalues in the feature covariance matrix of the selected texts, analyzing its approximation to the optimal solution under a formulation of $\gamma$-weakly submodular optimization problem. Empirically, we establish a benchmark and conduct extensive experiments on the TinyLlama architecture with models from 120M to 1.1B parameters. Evaluating across nine tasks from the Harness framework, DiSF demonstrates a significant improvement on overall performance. Specifically, DiSF saves 98.5% of 590M training files in SlimPajama, outperforming the full-data pre-training within a 50B training budget, and achieving about 1.5x training efficiency and 5x data efficiency.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2504.20644 by the authors.

Figure 1
Figure 1. The t-SNE (Van der Maaten & Hinton, 2008) visualization of text features (normalized to the unit sphere) selected by different methods on SlimPajama. We use Contriever (Izacard et al., 2021) to extract features. (a) and (b) show Heuristic classification and DSIR based on the Wikipedia and Book domains, while (c) depicts QuRating based on writing judgments. We visualize top 500 text features selected by their criteri… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Commonsense reasoning abil￾ity of pre-trained TinyLlama 1B us￾ing various selection methods evalu￾ated on seven tasks of Harness. DSIR uses Wikipedia and BookCorpus as high quality source and QuRating-W selects samples with writing style score. All methods select 1.5% of training files in SlimPajama and pre-train 50B tokens. In our paper, we revisit these algorithms by visualizing the feature representations of thei… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. The dominance score for recent methods calculated as Pk Pi=1 λi d j=1 λj , where λi represents the i-th largest eigen￾value of the feature covariance matrix, and d is the dimension of the feature space. We use Contriever model to ex￾tract features. We select the top 500 text samples based on their respective selec￾tion criteria. For D4, we select 500 ran￾dom samples after reducing redundancy. As shown in [PITH_FULL… view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Proxy value, as defined in equation 6, calculated on different meth￾ods. For each method, we randomly choose samples from their selected text files with 1.5% selection budget. All cases generally demonstrate the property of monotonicity. Moreover, our selec￾tion method…
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Average performance of TinyLlama pre-trained after 50B tokens on files selected by our [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_5.png]
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Performance of TinyLlama pre-trained under our DiSF with 1.5% selection budget compared [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_6.png]
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Performance of pre-trained TinyL￾lama under different selection scales (log2 b). With 1.5% selection budget and 50B training budget, we identify an ideal point with ac￾ceptable computational cost and near-optimal performance, marked by a red star. In this section, we t…
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: Average commonsense reasoning performance of TinyLlama 120M pre-trained under DiSF with different selection budget and 50B training budget. Blue and grey lines respectively denote Full Data pre-training and random selection with 1.5% selection budget. Selection scale. …

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