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Flavour hierarchies, extended groups and composites

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Pith's one-line read A composite-Higgs model derives the CKM/PMNS dichotomy from gauge symmetry, not from tuned Yukawa textures.

desk verdict Proceedings summary of the author's composite-Higgs model; the CKM/PMNS dichotomy is a real structural idea, but the claimed natural emergence depends on cutoffs and operator content that are inputs, not derivations. read the letter →

arxiv 2505.15787 v2 pith:YHFDAWXP submitted 2025-05-21 hep-ph

Javier M. Lizana This is my paper · ORCID
classification hep-ph
keywords compositeHiggsflavourhierarchiesCKMmixingPMNSanarchydeconstructionhyper-colourpseudoNambu-Goldstonebosonsfour-fermionoperators
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The reading

This paper claims that the observed split between the quark and lepton flavour patterns can be a consequence of gauge symmetry rather than a coincidence of Yukawa textures. It presents a composite Higgs model in which the third family is singled out by the charge assignments of an extended, non-universal $\mathrm{SU}(2)$ gauge group, while the light quark families are not. The resulting Yukawa couplings make CKM mixing angles naturally small, whereas the lepton mixing matrix stays anarchic. If this is right, two of the most puzzling numbers in the Standard Model would have a dynamical origin tied to TeV-scale physics.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing mechanism is the interplay between an extended gauge group and a confining hyper-colour sector. The gauge group $G_{231}$ splits the SM electroweak symmetry into several $\mathrm{SU}(2)$ factors, with fermions assigned to different factors; hyper-quarks in the fundamental of $\mathrm{SU}(N_{HC})$ and of the various $\mathrm{SU}(2)$s condense at the TeV scale, breaking $G_{231}$ to the SM gauge group. The same condensation generates the Higgs doublets as pseudo Nambu-Goldstone bosons. Yukawa couplings arise from four-fermion operators: dimension-six operators with a cutoff $\Lambda_3$ produce the third-family couplings, and dimension-eight operators with a larger cutoff $\Lambda_{12}$ produce suppressed light-family couplings. The gauge selection rules force which SM fermions can appear in each operator, which is what singles out the third family. A singlet fermion $N_L$ is added to give the right-handed neutrino partner a TeV-scale mass, and the pNGB potential is shown to be viable for $f\gtrsim 2.5$ TeV with percent-level tuning.

What would settle it

A concrete check would be to compute, in any explicit ultraviolet completion of Eqs. (3) and (5), the generated coefficients for the light-family versus third-family Yukawa operators: if they are not order-one and $\Lambda_{12}\gg\Lambda_3$, the predicted suppression of CKM angles is not guaranteed. On the experimental side, a precise measurement of $\mu\to e$ conversion in aluminium that does not follow the predicted chirally suppressed scaling with $f$ would test the mechanism.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

The central claim is that a single gauge structure explains both hierarchies. Starting from a left-right symmetric extension, the model gauges $G_{231}=\mathrm{SU}(2)_{L_1}\times\mathrm{SU}(2)_{L_2}\times\mathrm{SU}(2)_{R_2}\times\mathrm{U}(1)_X$ with hyper-quarks in a confining sector whose condensation breaks the symmetry to the SM and produces the Higgs as a pseudo Nambu-Goldstone boson. The SM fermions are arranged so that only third-family left-handed quarks and right-handed leptons sit on the same gauge sites as the hyper-quarks that generate Yukawa couplings; this identifies the third family, while light-family left-handed quark Yukawas are suppressed by higher-dimensional four-fermion operators. In the quark sector that suppression translates directly into small CKM angles. In the lepton sector the gauge group does not distinguish the three left-handed doublets, and the neutrino Yukawas are not aligned with the charged-lepton ones, so the PMNS matrix remains anarchic even though charged leptons are hierarchical. The paper argues that this CKM/PMNS dichotomy is therefore an output of the charge assignments and the hyper-colour dynamics.

Load-bearing premise

The argument assumes that some unspecified ultraviolet completion generates the four-fermion operators of Eqs. (3) and (5) with order-one coefficients and with the stated relative scaling of the cutoffs $\Lambda_3$ and $\Lambda_{12}$; if the coefficients or contractions come out differently, the flavour hierarchy would not follow from the charge assignments alone.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • If the model is correct, small CKM angles are not put in by hand; they follow from the fact that $q^{1,2}_L$ Yukawas are suppressed relative to $q^3_L$ by the cutoff hierarchy.
  • The PMNS matrix being anarchic despite hierarchical charged leptons is a prediction of the charge assignments, not a separate assumption.
  • The third-family identification fixes both the third-family quark and lepton directions from gauge symmetry and Yukawa couplings, so the top and tau masses arise at the same order.
  • The model predicts TeV-scale gauge bosons and a second Higgs doublet; current LHC and electroweak precision data require $f \gtrsim 2.5$ TeV.
  • Future $\mu\to e$ conversion experiments can probe $f\sim 4$ TeV and above, making lepton-flavour violation a key test of the framework.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • One testable extension: embed the four-fermion operators in a renormalisable UV model with a scalar leptoquark-like state; the predicted Yukawa ratios would then be computable and could confirm or falsify the assumed order-one coefficients.
  • The same 'anomalous-looking but anomaly-free' charge assignment could be applied to other confining sectors, suggesting a general recipe: choose gauge assignments where a single family sits at the intersection that gives unsuppressed couplings, and all other families are automatically suppressed.
  • If the PMNS anarchy is a genuine consequence, the model would predict no strong alignment between neutrino and charged-lepton mass directions; conversely, observing hierarchical neutrino mixing would disfavour this class of charge assignments.
  • The mechanism ties the flavour puzzle to the Higgs compositeness scale, so a discovery of TeV vector bosons with the predicted couplings would not just be a new resonance but a direct probe of the origin of the CKM/PMNS dichotomy.
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Editorial analysis

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Desk editor's note, referee report, and a circularity audit.

Referee Report

4 major / 5 minor

Summary. These proceedings present a composite Higgs model in which the third family is distinguished by an extended non-universal gauge group, G231 = SU(2)_L1 × SU(2)_L2 × SU(2)_R2 × U(1)_X, together with a hyper-coloured sector whose condensation breaks the symmetry to the SM gauge group. The paper claims that, as a consequence of the gauge charges and hyper-colour dynamics, the CKM mixing angles are suppressed while the PMNS matrix is anarchic. The Yukawa couplings for the third family are generated by dimension-6 four-fermion operators, while the light-family Yukawas are argued to arise only from dimension-9 operators and are therefore suppressed. The pNGB Higgs potential is analyzed in a benchmark in which the top Yukawa and a heavy neutral lepton mass term dominate, and the paper derives constraints on the decay constant f and mixing angles from LHC searches, electroweak precision observables, flavour-changing neutral currents, and lepton-flavour-violating processes.

Significance. If the construction were fully realized, the model would provide an interesting mechanism for generating the CKM/PMNS dichotomy from gauge quantum numbers rather than from an ad hoc Yukawa texture. The paper is explicit about its main assumption—an unspecified UV completion generating four-fermion operators—and it offers a concrete benchmark for the pNGB potential, together with a set of phenomenological constraints that are, in principle, falsifiable by future μ→e conversion experiments. The accompanying plots and the companion paper reference give the reader a way to check the quantitative statements. The significance is conditional: the central flavour predictions are not computed from a complete theory, and the paper itself acknowledges the 'a posteriori' character of the charge assignment and the percent-level tuning in the Higgs sector.

major comments (4)
  1. [Section 3.1, Eqs. (3) and (5)] The claimed CKM hierarchy is not quantitative as presented. The third-family Yukawas are estimated as O(f Λ_HC / Λ_3^2) and the light-family ones as O(f^3 Λ_HC^2 / Λ_12^5), giving a suppression ratio (f^2 Λ_HC Λ_3^2) / Λ_12^5. With f ∼ Λ_HC, this ratio is O(1) unless Λ_12 is assumed to be parametrically larger than Λ_3. Thus the numerical flavour hierarchy is put into the ratio of cutoffs rather than derived from the gauge charges. The abstract states that the hierarchies 'emerge naturally', but in the text the suppression is an input. Please either derive Λ_12 ≫ Λ_3 from a UV completion or state explicitly that the hierarchy is an assumed input of the construction.
  2. [Section 3.1, paragraph after Eq. (5)] The selection rule that only diagonal cells of Table 1 receive dimension-6 four-fermion operators, and that same-column light-family couplings arise only at dimension 9, is not a consequence of G231 alone. As the paper says, the extension is unspecified ('We will stay agnostic about the particular extension'), and the operator basis of Eqs. (3) and (5) is assumed. If a UV completion generated different Lorentz or flavour contractions, the allowed operator set could change, which would alter the pattern of Yukawa couplings. Since this selection rule is load-bearing for the CKM/PMNS dichotomy, the text should either provide a concrete UV model or state the minimum conditions on the UV dynamics that guarantee the assumed operator set.
  3. [Section 3.2, Eq. (7)] The pNGB Higgs mass requires M_N^2 ≈ 12 f^2 y_t^2 to a percent or per mille level. This is a fine-tuning of parameters, not a natural outcome; the paper acknowledges it in passing, but the abstract's 'emerge naturally' applies at most to the flavour structure, not to the electroweak scale. To avoid overclaiming, the abstract and conclusions should explicitly distinguish the natural flavour hierarchy from the tuned value of the Higgs mass.
  4. [Section 2, Eq. (2) and Table 1] The charge assignment X = T^3_R1 + 1/2(HB + B − L) and the selection of one particular anomaly-free arrangement are introduced with the statement that they will be justified a posteriori. While this is common in model building, the abstract's phrasing that the CKM/PMNS dichotomy 'arises as a consequence of the extended non-universal gauge symmetry' overstates the status: the dichotomy is a consequence of the chosen charges and fermionic placements, not of an independent constraint. The abstract should be reformulated to say that the model realizes the desired dichotomy, rather than that it emerges from an underlying principle.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Section 2] The phrase 'Our starting point is gonna be' should read 'Our starting point is going to be'.
  2. [Section 3] The phrase 'the gauge braking G231 → SU(2)_L × U(1)_Y' should read 'gauge breaking'.
  3. [Section 3.1] The phrase 'diagonals of Table 1' is ambiguous because Table 1 is a 2×2 array of fields; please define explicitly which entries are meant (e.g., same column and same SU(2) factor) so that the reader can verify which fields receive dimension-6 operators.
  4. [Section 3.2, Eq. (7)] The sentence 'The naive tuning to achieve m_H1^2 ∼ −(100 GeV)^2 while f ∼ (2−3) TeV is at the percent or per mille level' is presented as a minor remark; this should be highlighted in the abstract or conclusions as a known limitation of the model.
  5. [Figure 1] The caption of Figure 1 states the fixed values of the mixing angles but does not describe the axes, the colour coding of the exclusion regions, or how the constraints from each observable are combined; a reader cannot reproduce or interpret the plot without referring to the companion paper.

Circularity Check

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The CKM/PMNS 'prediction' reduces to the chosen charge arrangement: the third family is defined, quark/lepton placements are selected, and the U(1) charge is justified a posteriori, so the flavour dichotomy is an input rather than an emergent consequence.

  1. self definitional [Section 2, paragraph after Table 1]
    "Among them, only two uniquely identify a subset of a single family of fermions, that we can use as definition of third family fields. We explore here one of them because it is the one that will allow for third-family Yukawa couplings in a minimal way."

    The 'third family' is not an independent prediction; it is defined as the subset singled out by the chosen anomaly-free arrangement. The arrangement is then selected precisely because it allows third-family Yukawa couplings. The subsequent derivation of a third/light hierarchy therefore restates the selection criterion rather than deriving it from the gauge structure alone.

  2. fitted input called prediction [Section 3.1, after Eq. (5)]
    "Furthermore, in the quark sector, the CKM hierarchy comes from the fact that Yukawas y_{ij} \bar{q}^i_L H q^j_R involving q^{1,2}_L are suppressed with respect to those with q^3_L."

    The suppression of q^{1,2}_L relative to q^3_L is built into Table 1 by placing q^{1,2}_L at Site 1 and q^3_L at Site 2. Only q^3_L can then couple via the dimension-6 operator (3) with coefficient 1/\Lambda_3^2, while q^{1,2}_L must couple via the dimension-9 operator (5) with coefficient 1/\Lambda_{12}^5. The relative size of these couplings is an assumed input, not a consequence of the gauge symmetry alone; the paper states, 'We will stay agnostic about the particular extension, but let us assume this generates four-fermion operators' of that form. The CKM hierarchy is thus the content of the chosen operator/charge assignment, not an emergent prediction.

2 more flagged steps
  1. fitted input called prediction [Section 3.1, after Eq. (5), lepton paragraph]
    "However, in the lepton sector, gauge symmetry makes no distinction between the three doublets \ell^i_L. Neutrino mass eigendirections are defined via the suppressed Yukawa couplings y^\nu_{ij} \bar{\ell}^i_L \tilde{H} \nu^j_R ... The PMNS matrix is then naturally anarchic despite charge-lepton hierarchies."

    The 'no distinction between the three doublets \ell^i_L' is exactly the Table 1 assignment: all \ell^i_L are placed at Site 1. This placement is one of the nine anomaly-free arrangements, chosen 'because it is the one that will allow for third-family Yukawa couplings in a minimal way.' The anarchic PMNS matrix and its misalignment with the charged-lepton Yukawas follow from this chosen representation, so the PMNS prediction reduces to the input charge assignment rather than being independently derived.

  2. fitted input called prediction [Section 2, after Eq. (2)]
    "This is not a wild hypothesis but at this level could seem unjustified. We will see a posteriori that this charging has precisely the effect of addressing the different patterns that the CKM and PMNS matrices have."

    The U(1)_{HB+B-L} charge assignment in Eq. (2) is introduced and then justified a posteriori by the very CKM/PMNS pattern it is supposed to explain. This makes the observed flavour dichotomy a selection criterion for the input charge, rather than an independent consequence of the gauge structure. The abstract's claim that the flavour structure 'arises as a consequence' of the gauge symmetry is therefore weakened by the paper's own admission that the charging was chosen to reproduce that pattern.

full rationale

The paper has genuinely independent content: the anomaly-cancellation analysis, the odd-NHC Witten-anomaly condition, the pNGB potential with its benchmark tuning, and the LHC/EWPO/LFV phenomenology are not simply restatements of the flavour inputs. However, the central flavour claim—that CKM mixing is suppressed while PMNS mixing is anarchic—is not derived from a neutral principle. The author explicitly selects, among nine anomaly-free arrangements, the one that defines a unique third family and allows third-family Yukawas, and the U(1) charge is justified a posteriori by the CKM/PMNS pattern. The quark/lepton placements that produce the CKM/PMNS dichotomy are the inputs, and the hierarchy is encoded in assumed four-fermion operators with undetermined cutoffs. Thus the qualitative 'prediction' reduces by construction to the chosen charge and operator assignments; the numerical size of the hierarchy is not quantitatively demonstrated from the gauge structure alone. The self-citations to the companion paper are not load-bearing for the specific flavour argument, but they do not rescue the central claim from being fitted input called prediction.

Assumptions & free parameters 6 free parameters · 6 assumptions · 4 invented entities

Most of the explanatory power rests on choices: the anomaly-free arrangement, the gauged hyper-baryon number U(1)_{HB+B-L}, and the assumed four-fermion operators. The hyper-colour sector and the optional scalars and fermions are new ingredients without external evidence. These are model inputs, not data or external benchmarks that independently constrain the flavour pattern.

free parameters (6)
  • f (hyper-sector decay constant) = not fitted; constrained f >~ 2.5 TeV
    Sets the scale of gauge symmetry breaking, vector boson masses, and pNGB masses; it is a free scale of the model rather than a prediction.
  • M_N (HNL mass parameter) = chosen so M_N^2 ~ 12 f^2 y_t^2 to get m_H1 ~ 100 GeV
    In Eq. (7), M_N enters the pNGB potential; the paper tunes this relation to obtain a light Higgs, so it acts as an adjustable parameter rather than a derived quantity.
  • y_t (top Yukawa generated by extended sector) = not specified
    Generated by the four-fermion operator in Eq. (6) with cutoff Lambda_t; no value is given, and it controls both the SM top mass and the pNGB potential.
  • Lambda_12 (cutoff of dimension-8 Yukawa operators) = not specified
    Suppresses light-family Yukawas relative to the third family; the hierarchy claim depends on Lambda_12 being sufficiently large, but no value or relation is derived.
  • NHC (hyper-colour number) = odd, unspecified
    Must be odd for Witten anomaly cancellation; it enters the pNGB mass and quartic formulas, but its numerical value is free.
  • sin(theta_L), sin(theta_X) (gauge mixing angles) = varied in Fig. 1; fixed to g/2.5 in the plots
    Control couplings of new vector bosons to SM fermions; constrained by LHC and EWPO but not predicted by the model.
assumptions (6)
  • ad hoc to paper There are exactly nine anomaly-free arrangements of SM fermions under the four SU(2) factors, and only two uniquely identify a third-family subset.
    Section 2 states this counting result without derivation; the model chooses one of the two arrangements because it gives third-family Yukawas, so the choice is not forced by data.
  • ad hoc to paper The gauged U(1)_{HB+B-L} with X = T^3_R1 + (1/2)(HB + B - L) is the correct generalisation of electric charge, with HB = 1/NHC for hyper-quarks.
    Eq. (2) and the following paragraph introduce a new conserved charge specifically so that the CKM/PMNS difference appears; the paper admits the justification is a posteriori.
  • domain assumption Some unspecified UV extension generates four-fermion operators (psi psi)(zeta zeta) of the form in Eqs. (3) and (5) with order-one coefficients.
    Section 3.1 assumes this extension without specifying it; all Yukawa textures and pNGB potential contributions rely on these operator forms and their relative scales.
  • domain assumption The hyper-sector confines and its condensates break SU(4)_1 x SU(4)_2 to SU(4)_V as described, with f ~ Lambda_HC sqrt(NHC)/(4 pi).
    Sections 2 and 3 assume vector-like large-N confinement with the stated condensate pattern; no lattice or other evidence is provided.
  • domain assumption Witten anomaly cancellation requires NHC odd, with NHC otherwise free.
    Section 2 derives this condition but leaves NHC unspecified; the phenomenology section scans over model parameters without fixing this integer.
  • ad hoc to paper The top Yukawa and HNL operators in Eq. (6) dominate the pNGB potential, with other extended-sector contributions subleading or cancelled.
    Section 3.2 chooses a concrete benchmark and assumes the dominant contributions come only from those two operators; the Higgs mass is then obtained by tuning M_N against the top contribution.
invented entities (4)
  • Hyper-colour gauge group SU(NHC) with four vector-like hyper-fermions zeta
    purpose: Confines at multi-TeV scale, breaks G231 to the SM gauge group, and provides the pNGB composite Higgs.
    No external evidence is given for the new strong sector; it is introduced to produce the Higgs and the flavour pattern, and its signatures are model-internal.
  • Gauged U(1)_{HB+B-L}
    purpose: Extends U(1)_{B-L} by hyper-baryon number to fix X-charges so that quark and lepton sectors get different flavour patterns.
    The charge assignment is chosen specifically to make CKM suppressed and PMNS anarchic; the paper states the justification is a posteriori. No independent measurement supports this new U(1).
  • Singlet fermion N_L (heavy neutral lepton)
    purpose: Pairs with nu^3_R to give it a TeV-scale mass, removing the unacceptable partner of tau_R.
    It is a new fermion with no specified mass or couplings beyond an operator scale; its only role in the paper is to decouple nu^3_R.
  • Scalars S and Phi_R (optional UV completions)
    purpose: S generates the top Yukawa operator and Phi_R generates the HNL mass operator in Eq. (6).
    Introduced 'for instance' as possible completions; no direct experimental handle is discussed beyond the low-energy four-fermion operators.

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Pith. "Pith review of Flavour hierarchies, extended groups and composites." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/YHFDAWXP

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  author       = {Pith},
  title        = {Pith review of: Flavour hierarchies, extended groups and composites},
  year         = {2026},
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In these proceedings, I present a composite Higgs model in which the flavour hierarchies between the third and light families emerge naturally. In particular, CKM mixing angles turn out to be suppressed while PMNS matrix remains anarchic. This flavour structure arises as a consequence of the extended non-universal gauge symmetry of the model and the electroweak charges of the fundamental fermions of the new composite sector that realises the Higgs boson as a pseudo Nambu-Goldstone boson. The model is described in detail in arXiv:2412.14243.

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