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Latent Mamba Operator for Partial Differential Equations
T0 review · 3 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-07 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read The Latent Mamba Operator claims its state-space layer is a learnable kernel integral and reports the best accuracy on all six benchmark PDEs it tests, a 32.3% average gain over prior models.
desk verdict LaMO is a strong empirical entry in SSM-based operator learning; the theory appendix and one baseline comparison need work, but the core results look real. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The object that carries the argument is the latent-SSM layer: a selective state-space scan applied in multiple directions over compressed latent tokens rather than over physical mesh points. In continuous time the scan is the linear ODE $h'(t) = A h(t) + B x(t)$, $y(t) = C h(t)$; zero-order-hold discretization turns it into the recurrence $h[k] = \bar{A} h[k-1] + \bar{B} x[k]$, and with input-dependent parameters, as in Mamba, the whole layer acts as a data-dependent convolution kernel over the token sequence. The paper's Theorem 3.4 identifies this scan with a Monte-Carlo approximation of the kernel integral $G(a)(x) = \int_\Omega \kappa(x, y) a(y)\, dy$, the same integral-operator formalism used to justify Fourier and attention neural operators; the Perceiver-style encoder-decoder around it reduces the token count from $N$ to $M$, making the per-layer cost $O(NMD + MD)$, hence linear in the mesh size.
What would settle it
Re-run the strongest baselines, in particular Transolver, from their official code under exactly LaMO's per-benchmark protocol, same loss including the Darcy spatial-gradient term, same 500-epoch AdamW/OneCycleLR schedule, and a matched parameter budget, and compare mean relative $\ell^2$ errors; if the reported per-benchmark margins of 17.4% to 51.9% shrink to within the paper's own standard deviations, the state-of-the-art claim fails. A separate decisive check would compare the learned SSM kernel $\kappa(x, y)$ on Darcy flow against the analytic Green's function of $-\nabla \cdot (a \nabla u) = f$ to test Theorem 3.4 directly.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that a neural operator built from a latent state-space model recovers the solution map of parametric PDEs more accurately and more cheaply than attention-based operators. Architecturally, LaMO composes a lifting operator $P$, a Perceiver-style encoder $E$ that projects $N$ physical tokens into $M \ll N$ input-dependent latent tokens, $L$ latent blocks each applying a multi-head bidirectional (or four-directional, on regular grids) selective SSM as the token-mixing layer, a decoder $D$, and a projection $Q$: $G_\theta = Q \circ D \circ \mathcal{L}_L \circ \cdots \circ \mathcal{L}_1 \circ E \circ P$. The theoretical claim, Theorem 3.4 (proved in the appendix as Theorem B.12), is that a latent-SSM layer approximates the integral operator $G(a)(x) = \int_\Omega \kappa(x, y) a(y)\, dy$, so the SSM recurrence with its input-dependent transition matrices is a Monte-Carlo realization of a learnable kernel integral; the paper further notes that this kernel form $C(x)\operatorname{Diag}(\prod A) B(y)$ structurally matches the orthogonal-attention kernel of ONO without needing its orthonormalization. The empirical claim is that across Darcy flow, turbulent Navier-Stokes, Elasticity, Plasticity, Airfoil, and Pipe benchmarks, LaMO achieves the lowest mean relative $\ell^2$ error on every dataset, improving on the second-best operator by margins from 17.4% to 51.9% per benchmark while using fewer parameters and linear-time scans.
Load-bearing premise
The state-of-the-art claim rests on the premise that the published baseline scores are directly comparable to LaMO's; most of those scores were quoted from the baselines' own papers rather than re-run under LaMO's exact protocol, which adds a spatial-gradient smoothing term to the Darcy training loss that the baselines were not given.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Attention can be replaced by state-space scans as the kernel-integral engine of a neural operator without sacrificing accuracy, because the SSM layer is shown to implement the same integral-operator form.
- Operator inference scales linearly with mesh resolution rather than quadratically, since the latent token count is fixed and the scan cost is linear in that count.
- Non-causal processing is needed for PDE solving: the paper's ablation shows that a unidirectional scan degrades accuracy, confirming that forward-and-backward information flow matters.
- The architecture is data-efficient, reaching the second-best operator's accuracy with roughly 40% of the Darcy and Navier-Stokes training data and 20% of the Plasticity data.
- The reported gains appear on every geometry type, regular grids, structured meshes, and point clouds, so the approach is not tied to a single discretization.
Reading between the lines
- Under the paper's Theorem 3.4 reading, the latent-token count $M$ is effectively the quadrature resolution of the kernel integral; the non-monotonic accuracy curve on Airfoil, best near 128-256 tokens and worse at 512, then predicts that the optimal $M$ tracks the smallest physical feature scale of the solution, a check the paper does not run.
- Because the encoder derives latent tokens from the input rather than from a fixed grid, it can serve as a resolution-agnostic geometric tokenizer; a natural next step, which the authors list only as future work, is to pretrain one latent SSM stack across several PDE families as a foundation model.
- The learned transition products $\prod A_k$ form an input-dependent positional mask, which plausibly lets the model adapt its correlation length to local physics, short near discontinuities and long in smooth regions; measuring these products on Darcy versus Navier-Stokes would test whether that adaptive masking drives the reported gains.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper introduces the Latent Mamba Operator (LaMO), a neural operator that embeds an input PDE field into a small set of latent tokens and processes them with bidirectional/multidirectional state-space models (SSMs). The authors claim three contributions: (1) a scalable architecture with linear complexity in the number of mesh points, (2) a theoretical result (Theorem 3.4) that a latent-SSM layer approximates a kernel integral operator, and (3) state-of-the-art empirical performance on six PDE benchmarks, with an average 32.3% relative-L2 improvement over the second-best baseline. The appendix provides derivations connecting SSMs to Monte Carlo approximation of integral operators, and extensive ablations, efficiency comparisons, and visualizations. The manuscript also makes public code available.
Significance. If the empirical claim is sustained, LaMO would be a meaningful advance: it reports consistently lower errors than strong transformer-based baselines such as Transolver across regular grids, structured meshes, and point clouds, with a favorable parameter count and training time. The reported standard deviations for LaMO and Transolver (Appendix E.2) and the reproducibility-oriented release of code are strengths that support the empirical case. The theoretical connection between SSMs and kernel integrals is conceptually useful, as it links the fast-growing SSM literature to neural operator theory; however, the proof as written is not valid, and the benchmark protocol contains a training-loss asymmetry that affects the headline improvement. These issues are consequential but appear addressable, so the contribution is potentially publishable after substantial revision.
major comments (3)
- [Appendix D.2 and D.3; Table 1; Table 6] The headline 32.3% average improvement and the specific Darcy margin (33.9% over Transolver) rest on a training-protocol asymmetry that the manuscript itself documents. Table 6 states that LaMO trains Darcy with loss l2 + 0.1*l_gdl, an additional spatial-gradient regularizer adopted 'following ONO work,' while Section D.3 reports that most baseline numbers, including Transolver, are taken from their original papers or official codebases without retraining under the same loss. Since l_gdl directly penalizes high-frequency prediction error, the Darcy comparison is not apples-to-apples, and the 32.3% average is dominated by this one large margin. To support the SOTA claim, the authors should either (a) ablate LaMO on Darcy under plain relative-L2 loss, or (b) retrain Transolver and other baselines with the identical l2 + 0.1*l_gdl objective, and report both results; until then the central empirical claim is not fully established.
- [Appendix B, Lemma B.11] Lemma B.11 asserts a bijection f between the N-element input domain Omega and the M-element latent domain Omega_s, but the construction in Eq. (58)-(59) cannot be bijective when M << N, which is the defining property of the latent encoder (M << N in Eq. (10) and Table 6). The 'not assigned previously' constraint only prevents duplicate assignments; it does not create enough latent tokens to cover N inputs. This invalidates the claim that 'the cardinalities of the two domains are equivalent' and undermines the change-of-variables step in the proof of Theorem B.12 at Eqs. (63)-(66), which relies on a diffeomorphic projection f. The theorem may still be salvageable as an approximation statement, but as written the proof is not mathematically valid.
- [Appendix B, Lemma B.10 and Theorem B.12] Lemma B.10 is close to definitional: Eq. (56) defines the kernel parameterization kappa(y_i, y_j) directly as W_C(y_i)(\prod A)W_B(y_j), the exact product of SSM matrices, and then concludes that the SSM is a Monte Carlo approximation of the integral operator with that kernel. This shows that the SSM recurrence can be written as a kernel sum, but it does not establish that the SSM approximates the solution operator G for a PDE; it is a reparameterization of the SSM computation. Theorem 3.4 inherits this limitation, and the additional assumption |det(nabla_yz f^{-1}(yz))| = 1 in Eq. (67) is unjustified and generally false for a nontrivial projection. The authors should either prove a genuine approximation result with explicit error bounds and stated measure-theoretic assumptions, or clearly frame the analysis as a structural analogy rather than an equivalence theorem.
minor comments (5)
- [Section 2.2, Eq. (5) and Eq. (4)] The notation uses A and B for both continuous and discrete system matrices; the overline notation introduced in the appendix (\bar{A}, \bar{B}) should be used consistently in the main text to avoid confusion.
- [Table 1 caption and Table 8 footnote] The caption of Table 8 refers to 'second-best model' but Table 1 shows that Transolver is not the second-best for every benchmark (e.g., Elasticity, where GNOT is second) unless the table is restricted to the listed comparison; please clarify the selection rule.
- [Section 3.1, Remark 3.1] The claim that ViT patches are a special case of latent tokens is plausible but not formalized; a short argument for why Softmax(Linear(X)) can exactly realize patch-wise indicator weights would strengthen the remark.
- [Appendix D.2, Table 6] The batch-size row '4 2 1 8 4 4' is ambiguous because it is not clear which value corresponds to which benchmark; align the table entries explicitly with the Darcy, Navier-Stokes, Elasticity, Plasticity, Airfoil, and Pipe columns.
- [Throughout] There are several typographical issues, including inconsistent hyphenation in 'HT-NET', missing spaces in 'ONO (Xiao et al., 2023) introduces orthogonal regularization', and the phrase 'We proposeLatent Mamba Neural Operator' in the contributions list; a careful proofread is needed.
Circularity Check
The empirical SOTA claim is benchmarked externally, but the central theoretical result is definitional: Lemma B.10 defines the kernel κ as the SSM product and then concludes the SSM is a Monte Carlo integral operator with that same kernel, so Theorem 3.4 holds by construction.
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self definitional
[Appendix B, Lemma B.10, Eq. (54)-(57); used by Theorem 3.4]
"In SSM, the integral kernel κ is parameterized as follows: κ(y_i, y_j) = W_C(y_i)(∏_{y_k ≤ y_i} A) W_B(y_j) ... Substituting this parameterization into the Monte Carlo approximation, we obtain ... This expression demonstrates that the SSM operator can be interpreted as a Monte Carlo approximation of the integral operator G, where the state-space dynamics parameterize the kernel κ."
The lemma begins with an arbitrary measurable kernel κ in the definition of G, then sets κ(y_i, y_j) to be exactly the SSM product W_C(y_i)(∏ A) W_B(y_j). With that substitution, the Monte Carlo expression is simply the SSM recurrence Y = M X (compare Appendix Eq. 82, M_{i,j} = C_i ∏ A_k B_j) rewritten in integral notation. The conclusion is therefore an identity by construction, not a derived approximation property. It does not establish that SSMs approximate an independent class of kernel integrals; it renames the SSM's own transition matrix as a 'kernel'.
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self definitional
[Section 3.2, Theorem 3.4 (proof in Appendix B, Theorem B.12)]
"An latent-SSM layer approximates the integral operator G: L^2(Ω, R^d) → L^2(Ω, R^d), defined as follows: G(a)(x) = ∫_Ω κ(x, y)a(y) dy, where κ: Ω × Ω → R^{d×d} is the kernel function characterizing the operator G."
This theorem is the paper's advertised theoretical connection, but its proof invokes Lemma B.10 for the 'SSM among the latent tokens' step. Since Lemma B.10's κ was defined to be the SSM product itself, the theorem inherits that definitional identity: the latent-SSM layer is shown to compute an integral whose kernel is the SSM's own product. The added latent-isomorphism step (Lemma B.11, cited from Wu et al.) only changes coordinates; it supplies no independent approximation content. Thus the stated equivalence is forced by the definition of κ rather than derived from kernel-integral theory.
full rationale
The headline empirical claim (32.3% average improvement, Table 1) is compared against external baselines and is not circular in the definitional sense. The Darcy training-protocol asymmetry disclosed in Appendix D.2/D.3 (LaMO uses l2 + 0.1 l_gdl following ONO, while most baseline numbers are taken from official papers without that regularizer) is an experimental-comparability concern, not a circularity, so it does not raise the circularity score. The concrete circular step is the theoretical derivation: Lemma B.10 defines the integral kernel κ(y_i, y_j) as the SSM product W_C(y_i)(∏ A) W_B(y_j), then concludes that the SSM is a Monte Carlo approximation of the integral operator with that same kernel. The conclusion is the definition. Theorem 3.4, listed as a main contribution, inherits this by-construction character. The self-citations in the paper (CoNO, ConoAir) are related-work mentions and are not load-bearing. Overall, the empirical contribution stands independently, but the claimed theoretical equivalence is a renaming of the SSM recurrence, making the paper partially circular rather than fully so.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (7)
- Latent token count M =
1936 (Darcy), 1024 (Navier-Stokes), 64 (Elasticity, Plasticity, Airfoil, Pipe)
- SSM state dimension DState =
64
- SSM expand dimension =
2
- Number of SSM heads =
1 (Darcy), 4 (others)
- Number of layers =
8
- Embedding dimension =
64 (Darcy), 256 (Navier-Stokes), 128 (others)
- Darcy gradient regularization weight =
0.1 on l_gdl, added to l2 loss
assumptions (6)
- standard math Variation of constants formula for linear ODE h'(t)=Ah(t)+Bx(t), giving h(t)=e^{A(t-t0)}h(t0)+∫ e^{A(t-s)}Bx(s)ds
- domain assumption Uniformly sampled grid points approximate integrals over Ω by Monte Carlo quadrature with weight |Ω|/N
- ad hoc to paper The latent token domain Ω_s is isomorphic to the full grid domain Ω even though M << N
- domain assumption The continuous system matrix A is invertible, so B = A^{-1}(e^{ΔA}-I)B
- ad hoc to paper The Jacobian determinant |det(∇f^{-1})| is taken to be 1
- domain assumption Mamba's A matrix is diagonal, A=Diag(λ_1,...,λ_p)
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read the original abstract
Neural operators have emerged as powerful data-driven frameworks for solving Partial Differential Equations (PDEs), offering significant speedups over numerical methods. However, existing neural operators struggle with scalability in high-dimensional spaces, incur high computational costs, and face challenges in capturing continuous and long-range dependencies in PDE dynamics. To address these limitations, we introduce the Latent Mamba Operator (LaMO), which integrates the efficiency of state-space models (SSMs) in latent space with the expressive power of kernel integral formulations in neural operators. We also establish a theoretical connection between state-space models (SSMs) and the kernel integral of neural operators. Extensive experiments across diverse PDE benchmarks on regular grids, structured meshes, and point clouds covering solid and fluid physics datasets, LaMOs achieve consistent state-of-the-art (SOTA) performance, with a 32.3% improvement over existing baselines in solution operator approximation, highlighting its efficacy in modeling complex PDE solutions.
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