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Lensing Without Borders: Measurements of galaxy-galaxy lensing and projected galaxy clustering in DESI DR1
T0 review · 3 major / 4 minor · reviewed 2026-08-06 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read This paper establishes that DESI DR1 galaxy-galaxy lensing is free of significant lens-sample systematics and is validated for cosmological use once the HSC-Y3 photometric redshift shifts and the covariance uncertainty are applied.
desk verdict A thorough, honest validation of DESI DR1 galaxy-galaxy lensing that deserves referee time, but the source-redshift trend explanation would be stronger with a leave-HSC-out test and propagated shift uncertainties. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing element is the matched-filter lensing amplitude $A_{\Delta\Sigma}$, a scalar summary of each $\Delta\Sigma$ datavector obtained with weights $\mathbf{w}\propto \mathbf{C}^{-1}\Delta\Sigma_{\mathrm{ref}}$, where the reference profile comes from mock galaxy catalogs calibrated to clustering and $\mathbf{C}$ is the analytical covariance. Because multiplicative systematics such as shear calibration errors and photo-z biases rescale the lensing signal, any discrepancy between surveys shows up as a difference in this one number. The source-redshift test then plots $A_{\Delta\Sigma}$ against the effective source redshift, exploiting the fact that the true $\Delta\Sigma$ is a physical property of the lens and should not depend on the sources. The proposed explanation mechanism is the set of HSC-Y3 photometric redshift shifts $\Delta z_3=0.115$, $\Delta z_4=0.192$, which the paper applies to the source distributions and shows to remove the observed trends.
What would settle it
A direct clustering-redshift or spectroscopic calibration of the HSC-Y3 source redshift distributions that rules out shifts of $\Delta z_3=0.115$ and $\Delta z_4=0.192$ would falsify the claim that the trend is a photo-z bias; equivalently, re-running the source-redshift test on an independent lens sample and finding the slope persists after applying the shifts would contradict the validation.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that the DESI DR1 galaxy-galaxy lensing signal is free of significant lens-sample systematics and that its one notable anomaly — an increasing lensing amplitude with source redshift — is a source-side calibration effect. Using a matched-filter amplitude $A_{\Delta\Sigma}$ for each DESI lens bin, the paper shows the amplitude does not vary with potential contaminants of the DESI lens sample. A significant slope with source redshift is detected, strongest in the first LRG bin; the paper rules out under-estimated intrinsic alignments as the cause and shows that shifting the HSC-Y3 source redshift distributions by $\Delta z_3=0.115$ and $\Delta z_4=0.192$ brings all measured trends into agreement with the mock-based predictions. Excess scatter between surveys is driven by small scales, $r_p \leq 1\,h^{-1}\mathrm{Mpc}$, and disappears once a roughly 10% uncertainty in the analytical covariance is marginalized over. The paper's conclusion is that the measurements are sufficiently validated for subsequent cosmological analyses, provided the HSC-Y3 redshift shifts and the covariance uncertainty are taken into account.
Load-bearing premise
The central claim stands on the assumption that the HSC-Y3 source-galaxy redshift distributions are biased by exactly the shifts reported in Li et al. (2023), so that applying those shifts removes the source-redshift trend; if the true cause is a different combination of systematics, the validation conclusion loses its main support.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- The released DESI DR1 $\Delta\Sigma$, $\gamma_t$, and projected clustering $w_p$ measurements can be used in combined 3x2pt cosmological analyses without adding an unknown DESI lens-systematics term, provided the HSC-Y3 redshift shifts are applied.
- A future analysis that does not apply the HSC-Y3 shifts should expect a spurious positive slope of the lensing amplitude with source redshift in high-redshift lens bins, most prominently the first LRG bin.
- Scale cuts at $r_p > 1\,h^{-1}\mathrm{Mpc}$ are the safe route for precision cosmology, because the small-scale excess scatter has no identified cause and its significance depends on the covariance model.
- The absence of lens-homogeneity trends supports the DESI DR1 fiber-incompleteness and imaging-systematics weights as adequate for lensing and clustering studies.
- The data-level tendency for KiDS amplitudes to sit below DES and HSC gives a direct observational counterpart to the lower $S_8$ values reported by KiDS cosmological analyses.
Reading between the lines
- If the Li et al. shifts are correct, cosmic-shear analyses of HSC-Y3 that omit them would systematically underestimate the lensing signal for high-redshift source bins, which would bias their inferred clustering amplitude upward; testing whether the $S_8$ tension is reduced when the shifts are included would provide an independent check.
- The same redshift bias is plausibly present, at smaller amplitude, in HSC-Y1 data; the paper only raises this as a suspicion, so a dedicated re-analysis of HSC-Y1 GGL with free photo-z shifts would be a direct extension.
- A joint fit that lets the HSC-Y3 shifts, the covariance amplitude, and survey-specific calibration terms float simultaneously would convert the paper's assumption-then-check procedure into a proper parameter constraint.
- For uses of the public data vectors, the conservative default is to restrict to $r_p > 1\,h^{-1}\mathrm{Mpc}$ unless the covariance uncertainty is explicitly marginalized, since the small-scale scatter remains unexplained.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. This paper presents galaxy-galaxy lensing (GGL) measurements of DESI DR1 Bright Galaxy Sample and Luminous Red Galaxy lenses, cross-correlated with source galaxies from HSC-Y3, KiDS-1000, DES-Y3, and SDSS. The excess surface mass density and tangential shear are measured with a unified pipeline, corrected for multiplicative shear bias, photo-z dilution, and lens magnification bias, and analyzed via matched-filter lensing amplitudes. The authors perform blinded lens-homogeneity tests (splits by NTILE, stellar density, depth, seeing, EBV) and source-redshift tests, compare outlier rates against random realizations, estimate an amplitude systematic with a Gaussian mixture likelihood, and measure projected clustering wp with PIP weights and angular upweighting. The main findings are: no significant trends with lens-sample properties; a significant trend of lensing amplitude with source redshift, primarily in the first LRG bin, that is reported to disappear after applying Li et al. (2023) HSC-Y3 redshift shifts; and excess scatter between lensing amplitudes on small scales that is not robust to marginalization over covariance uncertainty. The measurements and covariance estimates are intended for public release and as inputs to future cosmological analyses.
Significance. If the validation claims hold, this is a valuable public dataset and a strong data-level consistency check among the major weak-lensing surveys, directly relevant to the 'lensing is low' effect and to DESI 3x2pt analyses. The paper has notable strengths: a blinded analysis with pre-registered unblinding criteria; a mathematically proven statement (Appendix E) that matched-filter amplitude comparisons are unbiased for any template shape, with only sensitivity depending on the template; extensive systematics tests against AbacusSummit simulations and L+24 mocks; and explicit, honest caveats about jackknife covariance limitations and the covariance-marginalization sensitivity of the small-scale scatter. The central interpretation, however, rests on applying external HSC photo-z point estimates without propagating their uncertainty, and the evidence for that interpretation would be materially strengthened by a leave-HSC-out test. These are fixable within the scope of the manuscript, so the result is promising but not yet fully quantitatively supported.
major comments (3)
- [§8.1.2, Fig. 9, §8.3] The central validation statement that the source-redshift trend is "most likely" explained by HSC-Y3 photo-z shifts applies the Li et al. (2023) point estimates Δz3=0.115 and Δz4=0.192 as exact numbers. Their uncertainties are not propagated into Fig. 9, and no goodness-of-fit statistic is given for the statement that the shifted slope is "completely consistent" with the L+24 mock prediction. Please propagate the Li et al. posterior (or at minimum show a band on the shifted amplitudes derived from the quoted shift errors) and report the residual slope and its uncertainty after shifting. Without this, the agreement in Fig. 9 is not quantitatively established.
- [§8.1.2, Fig. 5] A leave-HSC-out diagnostic is needed. The trend in Fig. 5 is fitted jointly over HSC, KiDS, and DES points, and only the HSC bins 3 and 4 are shifted; the paper does not report the slope of AΔΣ versus source redshift obtained from KiDS and DES alone. Since §8.1.3 states that the first LRG-bin trend is dominated by the HSC third and fourth source bins, the HSC-shift explanation would be strongly supported by showing that the residual slope is consistent with zero after removing HSC or after shifting with uncertainties. If a significant positive slope remains in KiDS+DES, the conclusion in §8.3 that GGL is "sufficiently validated" would need to be weakened.
- [§7.5, §8.2, Abstract] The abstract states that the measurements "find excess scatter... driven primarily by small-scale measurements", but §8.2 reports that this excess disappears once the uncertainty in the covariance estimate is marginalized over, and §7.5 gives only ≳2σ evidence even before that marginalization. The abstract and §9 should be reworded to present the small-scale scatter as a model-dependent systematic-uncertainty indicator rather than a robust detection, or the analysis should include a covariance-inference treatment that quantifies the evidence while marginalizing over covariance uncertainty.
minor comments (4)
- [Throughout] There are numerous typographical errors that should be corrected: "the the first data release" in the Abstract and Section 1, "in the the first year" in the Abstract, "respecitvely" in Section 4.1, "rougly" in Section 2.1, "galaxes" in Section 3.2, "sigificant" in the Appendix, "neglible" in Section 4.2.4, "compomnent" in Section 4.5, and "trent" in Section 9.
- [§5.5, §5.8.1, Abstract] The abstract's unqualified statement that no significant trends with lens-systematic properties are found is stronger than the text's own caution: Section 5.5 states that the jackknife covariances used for the lens homogeneity tests "are unable to be validated... to the standards required for cosmological analysis", and Section 5.8.1 again urges caution. Please soften the abstract/conclusion wording to reflect this stated limitation.
- [5.2] The EBV test was added post-unblinding and this is disclosed, but the unblinding criteria in Section 5.7 do not mention that this additional test was not part of the pre-registered set. Please explicitly label the EBV test as a post-unblinding robustness check in the outlier-accounting discussion, since otherwise the outlier counting in Section 7.4 could be misread as including a test that was not part of the blinded protocol.
- [Appendix E] The proof that an arbitrary template yields unbiased comparisons assumes that the covariance matrix C is correct. If C is misestimated, the bias factor α in Eq. (E9) can differ between surveys with different covariance structures, potentially creating apparent amplitude differences. Please state this assumption explicitly and, where possible, show that the conclusions are robust to the 10% covariance calibration uncertainty quoted in Section 4.5.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the validation argument rests on external benchmarks and imported HSC photo-z shifts, not on fitted inputs.
full rationale
The paper's derivation chain is self-contained against external benchmarks. The matched-filter lensing amplitudes are proven in Appendix E to give unbiased comparisons for any template shape, so the A_DeltaSigma comparisons are not defined to reproduce the AbacusSummit/L+24 reference by construction. The lens homogeneity tests compare DESI DR1 measurements split by systematic proxies such as NTILE, STARDENS, and imaging depth against jackknife and analytical covariances; no fitted parameter is relabeled as a prediction. The source-redshift trend is a measured finding, and the HSC-Y3 n(z) shifts (Delta z3 = 0.115, Delta z4 = 0.192) are imported from the external Li et al. (2023) cosmic shear analysis rather than fitted to the DESI data to force the trend to vanish. Figure 12 is explicitly diagnostic, computing the shifts that would set amplitudes to unity, but those values are not used as the correction; the correction comes from Li et al. (2023). Self-citations to L+24 and Y+24 are used as pre-existing simulation and covariance inputs that are externally benchmarked against AbacusSummit, Buzzard, and jackknife estimates, and they are not invoked as uniqueness theorems. The paper also self-reports its own limitations, including that the jackknife covariances for lens homogeneity tests are not validated to cosmological standards and that the significance of small-scale excess scatter disappears when covariance uncertainty is marginalized; these are statistical robustness caveats, not circular steps. The main conditional conclusion is honestly framed: GGL is validated for cosmology only if the HSC-Y3 shifts and covariance uncertainty are taken into account. Because the central validation claim does not reduce to a fitted parameter, a self-citation chain, or a definitional identity, no circularity is present.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (4)
- HSC-Y3 redshift shifts =
Δz3=0.115, Δz4=0.192
- BGS absolute magnitude cut thresholds =
MR < -19.5, -20.5, -21 for bins [0.1,0.2], [0.2,0.3], [0.3,0.4]
- Source-lens contamination threshold =
3% contamination from L+24 mocks
- Scale cuts =
0.5 arcmin minimum separation; maximum at 50% pair completeness
assumptions (6)
- domain assumption The HSC-Y3 photometric redshift distributions are biased as quantified by Li et al. (2023), so applying those shifts makes all source-redshift trends consistent with mock expectations.
- domain assumption The L+24 mock estimates of intrinsic alignment, boost factor, source magnification, and reduced-shear contamination are accurate enough to set the conservative source-lens cuts and the expected slope baseline.
- domain assumption The analytical covariance, with boundary corrections calibrated on lognormal simulations, accurately represents the true noise of the measurements.
- domain assumption The AbacusSummit HOD reference datavector is a valid matched-filter template; Appendix E proves amplitude comparisons remain unbiased for any template, with only sensitivity affected.
- standard math The Planck fiducial cosmology is adequate for distance and critical surface density conversions.
- domain assumption The conservative source-lens cuts (less than 3% predicted contamination) remove detrimental intrinsic alignment and boost factor contamination.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Lensing Without Borders: Measurements of galaxy-galaxy lensing and projected galaxy clustering in DESI DR1." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/TQENNRJD
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abstract
We present Galaxy-Galaxy Lensing measurements obtained by cross-correlating spectroscopically observed galaxies from the first data release of the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument (DESI) with source galaxies from the Hyper Suprime-Cam Subaru Strategic Survey, the Kilo-Degree Survey, the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, and the Dark Energy Survey. Specifically, we measure the excess surface mass density $\Delta\Sigma$ and tangential shear $\gamma_\mathrm{t}$ for the Bright Galaxy Sample and Luminous Red Galaxies measured within the first year of observations with DESI. To ensure robustness, we test the measurements for systematic biases, finding no significant trends related to the properties of the \acrshort{desi} lens galaxies. We identify a significant trend with the average redshift of source galaxies, however, this trend vanishes once we apply shifts to the Hyper Suprime-Cam Subaru Strategic Survey redshift distributions that are also favored by their fiducial cosmology analysis. Additionally, we compare the observed scatter in the measurements with the theoretical covariance and find excess scatter, driven primarily by small-scale measurements of $r\leq 1 \, \mathrm{Mpc}/h$; measurements on larger scales are consistent at the $2\,\sigma$ level. We further present the projected clustering measurements $w_p$ of the galaxy samples in the the first data release of DESI. These measurements, which will be made publicly available, serve as a foundation for forthcoming cosmological analyses.
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