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Anyon condensation is encoded as a conditional expectation between operator algebras, and the information it erases, measured by relative entropy, is claimed to be bounded by the log of the condensate's quantum dimension.
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Anyon condensation is encoded as a conditional expectation between operator algebras, and the information it erases, measured by relative entropy, is claimed to be bounded by the log of the condensate's quantum dimension.
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Information Loss in Generalized Symmetry Breaking
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The reading
The information lost in the round trip is measured by the relative entropy between the original state and its lifted image. Because of superselection rules, the paper restricts attention to states diagonal in particle type, so the whole computation reduces to classical probability vectors and the "quantum" relative entropy is just the Kullback-Leibler divergence. The central quantitative claim, equation (3.33), is that this information loss never exceeds the logarithm of the Jones index of the inclusion, which equals the quantum dimension of the condensate. The paper does not prove this bound; it states it and verifies it in examples: the group Z_N, the toric code, and the representation category Rep(S_3).
The worked examples are consistent with the bound, but one displayed formula, equation (4.15) for the Rep(S_3) condensation 1+Y, contradicts the example values printed two lines below it. The examples themselves are correct; the formula is not.
Core claim
The universal bound S_A(rho|rho_tilde) <= log lambda, Eqs. (3.33): the relative entropy between an anyonic state and its image under restriction followed by lifting is bounded by the logarithm of the Jones index lambda = [A:T], which equals the quantum dimension q of the condensate. The abstract states the paper 'establishes a universal bound governed by the Jones index, which is equal to the quantum dimension of the condensate.' If correct, every condensation pattern's information loss is capped by a single algebraic invariant of the inclusion.
Load-bearing premise
That the Pimsner-Popa style index bound applies to the abelian inclusion T subset A with the specific lifting map alpha, so that S(rho|alpha o epsilon(rho)) <= log lambda (Eq. 3.33) holds for 'well-defined probability distributions.' This is asserted in one sentence with no derivation; the cited Pimsner-Popa result (Eq. 3.4) bounds the Connes-Stormer entropy H(M|N), a different functional, and that theorem concerns inclusions of factors, whereas every example uses abelian, non-factor algebras. The paper also implicitly assumes the orthogonality of branching coefficients sum_a n^s_a n^t_a = delta^{st} q d_t, used in the idempotence proof in Appendix A but never stated.
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- standard math Standard von Neumann algebra and relative entropy background of Section 2: normal states as density matrices, relative entropy via (2.8).
- domain assumption Branching coefficients n^t_a with dimension constraints d_a = sum_t n^t_a d_t and d_t = (1/q) sum_a n^t_a d_a, Eqs. (3.8), imported from Bais-Slingerland and Neupert et al. [46-48].
- domain assumption Anyonic superselection rules justify restriction to an abelian algebra A with rho = sum_a p_a Pi_a (Section 3.1).
- domain assumption Orthogonality of branching coefficients sum_a n^s_a n^t_a = delta^{st} q d_t, used in the idempotence proof in Appendix A.
- standard math Pimsner-Popa inequality H(M|N) <= log[M:N], Eq. (3.4), ref. [43].
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abstract
We present an algebraic and information-theoretic framework for the breaking of generalized, non-invertible symmetries in two spatial dimensions. Such patterns are modeled as inclusions of finite-dimensional $C^*$-algebras equipped with conditional expectations, built upon a precise dictionary with anyon condensation in topological phases of matter. The conditional expectations are quantum channels that coarse-grain observables of the parent phase onto the symmetry-reduced condensed phase; their index -- a Watatani index equal to the quantum dimension of the condensate -- bounds, through its logarithm, the relative entropy between a state and its condensed image. This relative entropy serves as an entropic order parameter quantifying the information lost in the symmetry-reduction transition. We illustrate the framework with explicit examples: the toric code, abelian groups $Z_N$, and the representation category Rep$(S_3)$. Our results strengthen the connections between operator algebras and quantum information in the study of generalized symmetries.
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