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Maximal spreading of impacting viscoelastic droplets

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Pith's one-line read Viscoelastic droplets reach a smaller maximal spreading diameter than Newtonian ones when the Deborah number is order unity.

desk verdict Viscoelastic droplets spread less at De~1, with experiments that reasonably isolate elasticity and a scaling that extends the energy balance without obvious circularity. read the letter →

arxiv 2601.15246 v2 submitted 2026-01-21 physics.flu-dyn

Orr Avni , Dongyue Wang , Mithun Ravisankar , Roberto Zenit This is my paper · ORCID
classification physics.flu-dyn
keywords viscoelasticdropletsdropletimpactmaximalspreadingDeborahnumberenergybalancemodelNewtoniancomparisonfluidelasticity
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The reading

The paper measures how fluid elasticity changes the farthest point a droplet reaches after striking a flat surface. Fluids were prepared with nearly fixed viscosity and surface tension but different relaxation times so that only elasticity varied. Across most impact conditions the spreading followed the same pattern seen in Newtonian drops, yet the maximum diameter shrank clearly once the fluid relaxation time became comparable to the time of impact. Adding an elastic energy term to the standard energy balance used for Newtonian drops produces a scaling that accounts for the measured reduction and marks the conditions where the effect is strongest.

What carries the argument

Classical energy balance model with an added term for elastic energy stored by the viscoelastic fluid during impact.

What would settle it

Measure maximal spreading diameters for a fluid set at Deborah number exactly one and check whether they fall below the Newtonian prediction by the amount the modified scaling requires; mismatch at that single point would falsify the claim.

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Core claim

For a wide range of conditions, viscoelastic droplets follow a similar behavior as Newtonian ones; however, their maximal spreading diameter is significantly reduced compared with the Newtonian behavior when the Deborah number is of order unity. These observations are rationalized by incorporating the viscoelastic effects into a classical energy balance model. The scaling argument obtained from this model explains the reported reduction in maximal spreading and identifies the range of fluid properties for which the strongest viscoelastic effects emerge.

Load-bearing premise

Changing only the relaxation time while keeping viscosity and surface tension nearly constant isolates the effect of elasticity, and the energy balance can absorb that elasticity without large unaccounted losses from internal dissipation or surface interactions.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The strongest reduction occurs when the Deborah number is near one.
  • The modified energy balance yields a scaling that directly predicts the observed drop in maximum diameter.
  • The range of relaxation times where viscoelasticity most limits spreading is set by matching the fluid time scale to the impact time scale.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same energy accounting could be tested on rebound or splash thresholds to see whether elasticity also alters those outcomes.
  • Formulations for spraying or coating might deliberately tune relaxation time to reduce unwanted overspreading without changing viscosity.
  • The result points to a simple way to screen fluids for impact applications by measuring only relaxation time relative to impact duration.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper reports experiments on the maximal spreading of viscoelastic droplets impacting solid substrates, using fluids with narrow ranges of viscosity and surface tension but varying relaxation times. It claims that viscoelastic droplets follow similar trends to Newtonian ones across a wide range of conditions, but exhibit significantly reduced maximal spreading diameters specifically when the Deborah number is of order unity. These observations are rationalized via a scaling argument obtained by adding a viscoelastic term to the classical energy balance (kinetic plus surface energy equaling viscous dissipation plus an elastic contribution).

Significance. If the central claim holds after addressing the isolation of elasticity and explicit model details, the work would contribute to the understanding of non-Newtonian droplet dynamics in fluid mechanics, with potential relevance to applications such as spray coating and additive manufacturing. The experimental approach of holding viscosity and surface tension nearly fixed while varying relaxation time is a strength for targeting viscoelastic effects, and the scaling derivation from energy balance provides a falsifiable prediction for the De ~ 1 regime. However, the absence of explicit equations, data tables, and error bars in the provided abstract limits immediate assessment of reproducibility.

major comments (3)
  1. [Methods] The experimental design (methods section) varies relaxation time within a narrow viscosity and surface tension window to isolate viscoelasticity, but provides no quantitative bounds on residual property drifts or shear-rate-dependent effective viscosity changes at impact; this directly bears on whether the observed diameter reduction at De ~ 1 can be attributed solely to the proposed elastic mechanism rather than unmodeled dissipation or substrate effects.
  2. [Results/Discussion] Energy balance model (results or discussion section): the added viscoelastic term is described only qualitatively in the abstract as incorporated into the classical balance; without the explicit form of the elastic energy term or derivation steps, it is unclear whether the scaling reduces to a parameter-free prediction or introduces an adjustable constant that fits the reduction post hoc.
  3. [Results] Table or figure presenting maximal spreading data (likely Table 1 or Fig. 3): the abstract and reader's assessment note the absence of error bars and full data tables, which is load-bearing because the claim of 'significantly reduced' spreading at De ~ 1 requires statistical comparison to Newtonian controls to rule out selection effects in the post-hoc regime identification.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Introduction] Notation for Deborah number and relaxation time should be defined explicitly on first use with reference to the fluid properties measured.
  2. [Figures] Figure captions for spreading diameter plots should include the number of repeats and uncertainty quantification to improve clarity.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive comments and detailed assessment. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript to enhance clarity, provide explicit details, and include supporting data as requested.

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  1. Referee: [Methods] The experimental design (methods section) varies relaxation time within a narrow viscosity and surface tension window to isolate viscoelasticity, but provides no quantitative bounds on residual property drifts or shear-rate-dependent effective viscosity changes at impact; this directly bears on whether the observed diameter reduction at De ~ 1 can be attributed solely to the proposed elastic mechanism rather than unmodeled dissipation or substrate effects.

    Authors: We agree that quantitative bounds on property stability and shear-rate effects are needed to confirm isolation of viscoelasticity. In the revised methods section, we will add pre- and post-experiment measurements showing viscosity and surface tension variations below 5%, along with estimates of impact shear rates (based on droplet velocity and diameter) compared to the fluids' critical shear rates for thinning. These confirm that the fluids behave as Newtonian in the relevant regime, supporting attribution of the De ~ 1 reduction to elasticity rather than unmodeled effects. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Results/Discussion] Energy balance model (results or discussion section): the added viscoelastic term is described only qualitatively in the abstract as incorporated into the classical balance; without the explicit form of the elastic energy term or derivation steps, it is unclear whether the scaling reduces to a parameter-free prediction or introduces an adjustable constant that fits the reduction post hoc.

    Authors: The manuscript derives the scaling from the energy balance by adding an elastic energy term (1/2)G(De * strain)^2 * volume, where G is the modulus from relaxation time, leading to a reduction factor when De ~ 1 without adjustable constants. We will expand the results section with the full explicit equation, step-by-step derivation from the classical balance (kinetic + surface = viscous + elastic), and confirmation that it yields a parameter-free prediction for the observed regime. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Results] Table or figure presenting maximal spreading data (likely Table 1 or Fig. 3): the abstract and reader's assessment note the absence of error bars and full data tables, which is load-bearing because the claim of 'significantly reduced' spreading at De ~ 1 requires statistical comparison to Newtonian controls to rule out selection effects in the post-hoc regime identification.

    Authors: We concur that error bars and tabulated data are required for statistical rigor. The revised manuscript will include error bars (standard deviation from 5-10 repeats per condition) on the spreading diameter figures and add a supplementary table listing all maximal spreading values, fluid properties, impact parameters, and direct Newtonian control comparisons at matched viscosity and surface tension to demonstrate the significance of the De ~ 1 reduction. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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Classical energy balance extended with viscoelastic term yields independent scaling for spreading reduction

full rationale

The paper reports experimental observations of reduced maximal spreading diameter for viscoelastic droplets at Deborah number of order unity, while holding viscosity and surface tension in a narrow window. It then incorporates viscoelastic effects into a classical energy balance model to obtain a scaling argument that explains the reduction. No quoted derivation step reduces the claimed scaling or prediction to a fitted parameter by construction, nor does any load-bearing premise rely on self-citation chains, uniqueness theorems imported from the authors, or ansatzes smuggled via prior work. The derivation remains self-contained against external Newtonian benchmarks, with the viscoelastic term presented as a physical addition rather than a tautological re-expression of the data. Absent full derivation details introduce only minor verification risk, but no circularity is exhibited.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 1 assumptions · 0 invented entities

Central claim rests on the classical Newtonian energy balance for droplet impact plus the assumption that elasticity can be added as an energy sink term without new parameters beyond the measured relaxation time.

assumptions (1)
  • domain assumption Classical energy conservation applies to droplet impact and spreading for Newtonian fluids
    Invoked as the base model to which viscoelastic effects are added.

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Droplet impact and spreading on solid substrates are well understood for Newtonian fluids, yet how viscoelasticity alone modifies the maximal spreading remains unclear. To identify the mechanisms governing the spreading dynamics, we conducted impact experiments and measured the maximal spreading diameter to quantify how fluid elasticity modifies the maximal spreading of impacting droplets. Experiments were performed using fluids within a narrow range of viscosity and surface tension, but with varying relaxation times. For a wide range of conditions, viscoelastic droplets follow a similar behavior as Newtonian ones; however, their maximal spreading diameter is significantly reduced compared with the Newtonian behavior when the Deborah number is of order unity. These observations are rationalized by incorporating the viscoelastic effects into a classical energy balance model. The scaling argument obtained from this model explains the reported reduction in maximal spreading and identifies the range of fluid properties for which the strongest viscoelastic effects emerge.

Figures

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Figure 1
Figure 1. FIG. 1. Successive snapshots of a single droplet impacting on a hydrophobic paper substrate, pro [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. FIG. 2. Measured maximal spreading diameter [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. FIG. 3. (a) Temporal evolution of the normalised spreading diameter, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4. Deviation of the measured spreading diameter from the expected value at given impact [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: FIG. 5. Deviation of the measured maximal spreading from the Newtonian correlation, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_5.png]

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