REVIEW 4 major objections 5 minor 12 references
Angle-distance decomposition based on deep learning for active sonar detection
T0 review · 4 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-06 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Deep learning sonar cuts angle error to 1.93 degrees at -10 dB.
desk verdict Plausible system-level combination of angle and distance nets for active sonar, but the headline low-SNR advantage over classical DOA methods is not yet established because Table III leaves matched filtering and snapshot handling unstated. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The angle-distance decomposition: the detection problem is split into angle estimation, where a DNN classifies a matrix of STFT phase values (array element by frequency bin) into a discretized direction-of-arrival grid using a multi-label softmax formulation, and distance estimation, where an Audio Spectrogram Transformer (AST) takes 16-by-16 patches of log-Mel filterbank features with trainable positional embeddings and a [CLS] token to classify each signal segment as target-containing or not. The segment-to-distance conversion uses the sound speed and segment timing, $S = V_s T_\nu / 2$, where $T_\nu = cL_\nu(1-h)$. This decomposition is what lets the authors replace the image-formation step used by prior deep-learning sonar work, which they argue loses signal information, and it is also what allows transfer learning, since the transformer is pre-trained on a large air-acoustic dataset and fine-tuned on underwater sonar segments.
What would settle it
Take the trained ASTD models and run them on a real active-sonar data set with known target angles and ranges at -10 dB SNR. If the angle MAE exceeds by a wide margin the reported 1.93 degrees, or the distance AUC falls well below 94%, then the claimed low-SNR robustness is an artifact of the simulation. A cheaper check is to regenerate the simulation with a different sound-speed profile and sediment model and compare the same metrics.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that a phase-only DNN and a spectrogram transformer, trained separately and fused afterward, can localize active sonar targets at signal-to-noise ratios where classical beamforming (CBF), adaptive beamforming (MVDR), and subspace methods (MUSIC) break down. The authors report that at -10 dB the proposed ASTD method reaches an angle MAE of 1.93 degrees and RMSE of 4.18 degrees, compared with roughly 20-25 degrees for classical methods, and a distance-detection AUC of 94.06% with 83.70% recall, consistently ahead of the TDNN, ResNet18, and ResNet50 baselines at every tested SNR. They also show that the deep-learning angle estimator produces a single clean peak instead of the mirror peaks that symmetric array geometries induce in classical pseudo-spectra, and that performance degrades gracefully as the number of targets increases and across three simulated ocean environments.
Load-bearing premise
The load-bearing assumption is that the simulated underwater channel—eigenray multipath, sound-speed profile, sediment properties, and noise—behaves like the real ocean closely enough that models trained on it will perform as claimed on actual active sonar returns; the paper presents no real acoustic data.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- If the results hold, classical DOA estimators like CBF, MVDR, and MUSIC can be replaced at low SNR by a phase-input DNN, eliminating mirror peaks and reducing angle error by an order of magnitude.
- The distance transformer's per-segment binary classification turns range estimation into a detection problem, meaning the same model can flag target presence and range simultaneously.
- Transfer learning from air acoustics, if it generalizes, would give underwater acoustics a practical route around the scarcity of labeled active sonar data.
- The decomposition into independent modules means the angle and distance networks can be upgraded separately, so new array geometries or new waveforms only require retraining one branch.
Reading between the lines
- The phase-only DNN suggests that high-resolution DOA information lives in the inter-element phase structure, not the magnitude; a direct testable extension is to check whether the same architecture works on other array shapes, like linear or volumetric arrays, with no retraining of the distance branch.
- Because all experiments are simulated, the strongest consequence the authors imply but do not demonstrate is that the model transfers to real ocean recordings; a field test with measured echoes would settle this.
- The findings about HFM versus CW and LFM waveforms indicate that model performance tracks waveform time-frequency diversity, which could be used predictively to choose transmit signals in adaptive sonar systems.
- The gradual degradation with two and three targets suggests the multi-label formulation saturates; combining the two branches into a joint end-to-end model might push the multi-target limit further than the paper tests.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes an active sonar target detection method (ASTD) that separates the detection task into angle estimation and distance estimation. Angle estimation is formulated as a multi-label classification problem using a DNN whose input is the STFT phase across array elements; distance estimation is a binary segmentation/classification problem solved with an Audio Spectrogram Transformer applied to Mel-spectrogram patches, with transfer learning from AudioSet. Experiments are conducted entirely on simulated circular-hydrophone-array data with an HFM waveform at SNRs of 10, 0, and -10 dB. The paper reports that ASTD outperforms CBF, MVDR, and MUSIC for angle estimation and TDNN, ResNet18, and ResNet50 for distance estimation, and that its performance degrades gracefully at low SNR.
Significance. If the claims hold, the decomposition into a phase-based DNN and a spectrogram transformer would be a useful contribution to low-SNR active sonar localization, and the transfer-learning strategy from air acoustics would be a practical response to underwater data scarcity. The paper also provides a reasonably broad set of simulation experiments, including different environments, multiple targets, and different transmit waveforms, which is a strength. However, the evidence is entirely simulated, the classical baselines are under-specified, and the transfer-learning contribution is not ablated; the headline robustness advantage over classical methods is therefore not yet established. The significance is conditional on resolving these load-bearing issues.
major comments (4)
- [IV-B.1, Table III] The classical DOA baselines are not sufficiently specified to support the headline claim. The paper does not state whether CBF, MVDR, and MUSIC use matched filtering with the known HFM replica, how many snapshots or STFT frames are used to form the spatial covariance, or whether the same phase-only input is used. Because the transmitted waveform is wideband HFM (2-3 kHz) and the comparison is made at SNR = -10 dB, omitting matched filtering would substantially handicap the classical methods; the paper's own Fig. 6(a) uses 'matched filtering-MVDR,' indicating that the authors recognize this preprocessing is important. Without this information, the multi-fold RMSE advantage of ASTD (4.18 deg vs 30.26 deg for MUSIC and 32.11 deg for MVDR at -10 dB) cannot be taken as establishing superiority over classical methods.
- [IV-A, Fig. 4; V] All experimental evidence comes from a single simulator, yet the abstract and conclusion claim 'effective and robust performance under challenging conditions' and 'strong robustness' without real data or a distribution-shift test. Table V changes three environmental parameters, but the paper does not state whether the model is retrained for each environment or evaluated with the Env 1 model; if the latter, it would be a useful generalization test, but the text is silent. The robustness claims should be scoped to the simulation, or supported by at-sea data, before being stated as general findings.
- [III-B.3, Table II] The transfer-learning contribution is not demonstrated. Section III-B.3 motivates AudioSet pretraining, but no experiment compares the AST fine-tuned from AudioSet against one trained from scratch on the simulated active-sonar data. Without this ablation, the claimed benefit of transfer learning is unsupported, and the premise that air-acoustic features transfer to underwater sonar remains an unvalidated assumption.
- [IV-B.3, Table VI] The multi-target comparison is confounded by the encoding choice. The single-source row uses softmax encoding while the two- and three-source rows use one-hot encoding, so the degradation in MAE/RMSE cannot be attributed solely to the number of sources. Moreover, the paper does not explain how a multi-label softmax output is decoded into a set of angles for the multi-target case, which is necessary to interpret MAE/RMSE for two or three sources.
minor comments (5)
- [II, Eq. (5)] The notation in Eq. (5) is unclear: c is called the segment length while L_nu is called the position of the segment, and the units of T_nu are not made explicit; please define all symbols with units.
- [III-A.2, Table I] The input and output dimensions in Table I are not tied to the array size N=4 or to the STFT parameters; please specify the STFT window length, hop, and frequency-bin count so the architecture is reproducible.
- [IV-B.1, Fig. 5] The y-axis label 'Normalized Softmax' does not apply to CBF, MVDR, or MUSIC, which produce pseudo-spectra rather than softmax outputs; also the legend label 'ASSD' appears to be a typo for 'ASTD'.
- [IV-B.1, Table III] The text says 'Under an SNR condition of -10' without the unit dB; please make the units consistent throughout the tables and prose.
- [Algorithm 1] The pseudo-code lacks explicit control-flow delimiters (end if, end for) and does not define how the distance S and angle yhat are combined into the final distance-azimuth record; please add these details for clarity.
Circularity Check
No load-bearing circularity: the angle and distance outputs are supervised fits to simulated labels, and the sole self-citation (ref. [6] for softmax encoding) does not feed the central claim.
full rationale
The paper's derivation chain is supervised learning, not analytical reduction. Angle estimates come from a DNN trained on phase features with ground-truth DOA labels (Sec. III-A), and distance comes from a Transformer trained as a binary segment classifier (Sec. III-B); evaluation on the same simulation distribution is standard fitting and generalization behavior rather than circularity. The distance conversion S = Vs*Tnu/2 (Eq. 5) is a physical constant-time-to-range mapping, not a quantity fitted from the target outputs. The only self-citation is ref. [6] (Feng, Zhang, Li) for softmax encoding, used as an ablation in Table VI; it is a design choice and does not establish the central performance claims, so it does not make the argument circular. The underspecification of classical baselines (e.g., whether CBF/MVDR/MUSIC use matched filtering or sufficient snapshots in Table III) is a correctness risk about fair comparison, not a circularity. No equation in the paper defines a quantity in terms of the quantity it claims to predict, and no uniqueness theorem or prior-work citation is invoked to forbid alternatives. The paper is therefore self-contained for what it claims, subject to its simulation-only validation premise.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (5)
- DOA class count =
144
- Segment length =
1 second
- AST patch size and overlap =
16x16 patches, overlap 6
- Overlap rate h in Eq. (5) =
not reported
- Transfer learning source dataset =
AudioSet
assumptions (5)
- domain assumption Signal model in Eq. (1): received signal is a sum of scaled and delayed copies of the transmitted signal plus noise
- domain assumption Phase differences across the circular array are sufficient for DOA estimation
- domain assumption Distance is recoverable from the detected segment index via S = Vs Tnu / 2
- ad hoc to paper Acoustic propagation in air and water are similar enough that AudioSet pre-training aids underwater sonar
- ad hoc to paper Simulator (Fig. 4, Sec. IV-A) produces realistic multipath, reverberation, and noise
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read the original abstract
Underwater target detection using active sonar constitutes a critical research area in marine sciences and engineering. However, traditional signal processing methods face significant challenges in complex underwater environments due to noise, reverberation, and interference. To address these issues, this paper presents a deep learning-based active sonar target detection method that decomposes the detection process into separate angle and distance estimation tasks. Active sonar target detection employs deep learning models to predict target distance and angle, with the final target position determined by integrating these estimates. Limited underwater acoustic data hinders effective model training, but transfer learning and simulation offer practical solutions to this challenge. Experimental results verify that the method achieves effective and robust performance under challenging conditions.
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First, the entire DOA range is discretized to form a set of possible DOA values, Θ = {θ1,
Problem transformation The multi-target DOA estimation problem is formu- lated as a y-class multi-label classification task. First, the entire DOA range is discretized to form a set of possible DOA values, Θ = {θ1, . . . , θy}. Then, a class vector y is constructed, where each target corresponds to a possible DOA value in the set Θ. In this task, we assum...
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DNN framework In this study, the objective is to learn features rele- vant to the DOA estimation task through training. Un- like other methods that directly use images as input fea- tures, we utilize phase information as the input feature representation in this research. The DNN framework takes the feature representa- tion corresponding to each STFT time ...
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Problem transformation In this task, to obtain distance information, we split the signal into smaller segments and then identify the segments that contain information related to the target. Therefore, we transform the distance detection task into a binary classification problem p ∈ {p0, p1}. Segments containing the target signal are labeled as p1, while t...
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Transformer framework Over the past years, transformer models has shown excellent performance in various tasks. Transformers dis- pense with recurrence and convolutions in favor of self– attention, which allows for global context aggregation at every layer. To obtain the target location, we convert the sig- nal segment xk into a sequence of 128-dimensiona...
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Transfer learning Compared to the CNN network, one disadvantage of the Transformer architecture is that it requires a large amount of data to achieve optimal performance. How- ever, in the field of underwater acoustics, there is a chal- lenge of data scarcity, mainly due to high costs, long acquisition times, and data security concerns. Addition- ally, th...
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Dataset Sonar Target Water Sediment FIG. 4. Simulated underwater acoustic environment The simulation environment is illustrated in Fig.4, where the circular hydrophone array (CHA) is positioned at a depth of 5 m underwater. The total water depth is 1000 m, underlain by a sediment layer. In the case of downward-refraction, the sound speed decreases from 15...
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Parameter setting During the distance estimation training phase, the dataset was split into training, validation, and test sub- sets using an 8:1:1 ratio. The model was trained for 20 epochs with an initial learning rate of 1 × 10−4 using the Adam optimizer. A step-base learning rate scheduler with a step size of 1 epoch and a decay factor of 0.85 was emp...
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MAE represents the mean absolute difference between predictions and true values
Evaluation metrics In this paper, we employ mean absolute error (MAE), root mean square error (RMSE), Area Under Curve (AUC) and recall as metrics to evaluate model per- formance. MAE represents the mean absolute difference between predictions and true values. RMSE assesses pre- diction quality by computing the root of mean squared deviations, defined as:...
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In Table II, we compare the performance of ASTD with other methods, such as TDNN 14, ResNet18, and ResNet5012, for the distance detection task under differ- ent SNR conditions
Main results In this section, the performance of active sonar tar- get detection (ASTD) is evaluated on both distance and angle estimation tasks, followed by the presentation of the final distance–azimuth map. In Table II, we compare the performance of ASTD with other methods,...
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Effect of marine environment TABLE IV. Environmental parameters for different environ- ments Parameter Env 1 Env 2 Env 3 Water depth(m) 1000 100 2000 Sound speed profiles(m/s) 1548–1501 1500–1510 1500–1550 Sediment density(g/cm3) 1.8 1.5 1.4 Sediment speed(m/s) 1800 2000 1450 ...
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Performance under different source numbers and encoding methods Source No
Multi-target detection TABLE VI. Performance under different source numbers and encoding methods Source No. Encoding MAE( ◦) RMSE( ◦) AUC(%) 1 softmax 1.52 3.61 97.24 1 one-hot 2.16 3.68 97.12 2 one-hot 5.25 8.36 95.53 3 one-hot 7.42 15.35 94.82 Table VI illustrates the impact...
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Conventional beamforming techniques,
Transmit waveform Table VII presents the performance of the proposed method under different transmit waveforms, including Continuous Wave (CW), Linear Frequency Modulation (LFM), and Hyperbolic Frequency Modulation (HFM). The results indicate that the choice of transmit wavefo...
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