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Quasinormal modes and complexity in saddle-dominated SU(N) spin systems

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Pith's one-line read This paper shows that a finite-dimensional SU(2) spin Hamiltonian reproduces, at large spin, the density of states of a massive particle in two-dimensional de Sitter space, including its quasinormal-mode poles.

desk verdict A useful extension of the SU(2)/dS2 toy model to complementary series and SU(3), but the complementary-series section rests on an unproven real-spectrum threshold and should be strengthened before the claim is treated as closed. read the letter →

arxiv 2506.05458 v2 pith:NH63DL4O submitted 2025-06-05 hep-th quant-ph

Sergio E. Aguilar-Gutierrez , Yichao Fu , Kuntal Pal , Klaas Parmentier This is my paper
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keywords deSitterquasinormalmodesLipkin-Meshkov-Glickmodelsaddle-dominatedscramblingPTsymmetrydensityofstatesKrylovcomplexityspreadspectralformfactor
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The reading

This paper claims that a simple finite-dimensional spin Hamiltonian, a version of the Lipkin–Meshkov–Glick model, reproduces at large spin the density of states of a massive particle in two-dimensional de Sitter space, poles included. The same construction with an imaginary mass parameter, which preserves PT symmetry below a critical value, is claimed to reproduce the complementary-series density of states of a light scalar in dS$_2$. An SU(3) extension is claimed to yield a density of states whose positive-frequency peaks match fixed-angular-momentum sectors of a massive particle in dS$_3$. The authors use these models to show that early-time exponential growth in squared commutators, Krylov complexity, and spread complexity can arise from hyperbolic saddle points in an integrable system, while late-time behavior exposes the integrability. If the claims are right, the work supplies explicit finite-dimensional toy models for emergent de Sitter quasinormal modes and clarifies how to tell saddle-dominated scrambling apart from genuine chaos.

What carries the argument

The key machinery is the coarse-grained character of the spin Hamiltonian evaluated through SU(N) coherent states in the large-spin limit. Classical orbits near two hyperbolic fixed points behave like an upside-down harmonic oscillator, and each fixed point contributes a factor $1/|1-e^{-t}|$ to the character; the mass term $\nu$ shifts the exponents to $\Delta$ and $\bar{\Delta}$. Fourier-transforming the resulting Harish-Chandra character yields the de Sitter density of states, so quasinormal modes appear as poles of the analytic continuation. For the PT-symmetric extension, the machinery adds holomorphic-polarization eigenfunctions expressed as Heun polynomials, which locate the exceptional points at which eigenvalues leave the real axis.

What would settle it

Numerically diagonalize the SU(2) Hamiltonian for even $j$ at imaginary $\nu$ values between $0$ and $i/2$ and check whether any eigenvalue acquires a nonzero imaginary part before the claimed critical value; if one does, the complementary-series density comparison loses its stated meaning.

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Core claim

The central discovery is that the inverse level spacing of the SU(2) Hamiltonian $H_j = \frac{i}{4j}(J_-^2 - J_+^2) + \frac{\nu}{j} J_z$ converges in the large-$j$ limit to the density of states of a massive particle in dS$_2$ with scaling dimension $\Delta = \frac{1}{2} + i\nu$, whose poles are the de Sitter quasinormal modes. Convergence is shown at the level of the coarse-grained character, which in the large-$j$ limit becomes the Harish-Chandra character $\chi(t) = (e^{-\Delta t} + e^{-\bar{\Delta}t})/|1-e^{-t}|$, the sum over quasinormal resonances. For imaginary $\nu$, the Hamiltonian is non-Hermitian but PT-symmetric; below a critical value that approaches $1/2$ at large $j$, the eigenvalues remain real and the complementary-series density of states is obtained. For SU(3), the paper derives an analytic density of states, equation (3.13), whose $\mathrm{Re}\,\omega > 0$ peaks match the fixed-angular-momentum density of a massive particle in dS$_3$.

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that, for imaginary values of the mass parameter, all eigenvalues of the complexified Hamiltonian remain real up to a critical value that approaches $1/2$ at large spin; the paper proves this only for special parameter values and parities and otherwise relies on a numerical fit.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The spin model provides a finite-dimensional matrix whose large-$j$ spectrum encodes de Sitter quasinormal frequencies, so QNM data can be read off from a Hermitian or PT-symmetric Hamiltonian.
  • With imaginary $\nu$, the same model reproduces the complementary-series density of states of a light scalar in dS$_2$, covering both principal and complementary series by varying the phase of $\nu$.
  • The SU(3) extension shows the construction generalizes beyond one degree of freedom, with positive-frequency peaks matching dS$_3$ fixed-angular-momentum sectors.
  • Level spacing and spectral form factor diagnostics confirm integrability, with Poisson statistics emerging only after combining SU(3) angular-momentum sectors.
  • Early-time exponential growth of squared commutators and Krylov complexity is attributable to saddle points rather than chaos, while late-time oscillations and the saturation value above $D_O/2$ distinguish the two.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The mechanism suggests a general recipe: any spin Hamiltonian whose classical phase space has a hyperbolic fixed point should produce a tower of resonances in the density of states, making de Sitter quasinormal modes a generic large-spin phenomenon rather than a special property of this particular model.
  • The PT-symmetric complexified model may offer a finite-dimensional regularization of discrete-series quasinormal spectra; the paper notes that at integer imaginary $\nu$ there appear to be exactly $2|\nu|$ imaginary modes, a count reminiscent of discrete-series representations.
  • One could test the same construction in higher-rank groups or with modified mass terms, such as $\nu(J_z/j)^3$ instead of $\nu J_z/j$, which the paper argues does not change the large-$j$ density near the hyperbolic fixed points.
  • The late-time criteria identified here—oscillations instead of saturation for squared commutators, and saturation from below for spread complexity—could serve as practical numerical diagnostics in other integrable models suspected of saddle-dominated scrambling.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 4 minor

Summary. The paper studies SU(2) and SU(3) spin Hamiltonians whose large-j classical phase spaces have hyperbolic fixed points, and shows that the resulting quantum inverse level spacing reproduces, up to a matched UV constant, the density of states of a massive particle in dS2 and, partially, dS3, whose poles are quasinormal modes. It extends the SU(2) model to an imaginary mass parameter nu in iR while retaining PT symmetry, claiming to reproduce the complementary-series density of states below a critical |nu_c| -> 1/2. The second half computes two-point functions, squared commutators/OTOCs, Krylov operator complexity, and spread complexity, and argues that early-time saddle-dominated scrambling mimics chaos while late-time behavior reveals the integrable nature of the system.

Significance. If the results hold, the paper provides explicit finite-dimensional toy models for emergent de Sitter quasinormal-mode spectra in both the principal and complementary series, together with a useful catalog of diagnostics that distinguish saddle-dominated scrambling from true chaos. Its strengths include the transparent analytic IHO/saddle-point derivation of the densities in Secs. 3.1 and 3.2, the direct numerical diagonalization checks in Figs. 3.1, 3.3, and 5.1, and the systematic treatment of late-time distinguishability criteria. The complementary-series claim in Sec. 5 is the most novel and also the least supported piece of the paper.

major comments (3)
  1. [Sec. 5.3 / Eq. (5.6)] The complementary-series claim rests on the unproven statement that for nu = i beta with 0 < beta < nu_c(j), all eigenvalues of H_j remain real, with nu_c(j) -> 1/2. The paper proves zero-energy polynomial solutions only at special values nu = i(m+1/2) and analyzes nu = 0, but PT-symmetry alone does not imply a real spectrum; exceptional points can occur at intermediate beta without any eigenvalue crossing zero. For odd j the threshold nu_c = i/2 and the associated Jordan-block mechanism are asserted rather than derived, while for even j the threshold is obtained from the numerical fit in Eq. (5.6), for which no data, error bars, or fitting procedure are given, and whose parity label (j in 2N+1, as written) contradicts the surrounding text that considers even j. Because Fig. 5.1a and the comparison to the density (A.3) require a real spectrum over the full interval, the complementary-series conclusion is not yet supported; please provide a proof (for example, via a continued-fraction or characteristic-polynomial argument) or a high-resolution numerical sweep over beta with a clear criterion for detecting the first exceptional point.
  2. [App. A / Sec. 3.1.1] The claimed convergence of the inverse level spacing to the dS2 density (A.3) involves a matched constant Lambda, stated in footnote 18 to scale like Lambda ~ j; the constant is fitted to the numerical spectrum. Since Lambda only shifts the density by an overall constant, the shape comparison is meaningful, but the phrase 'converges to the density of states' overstates the result unless the offset is derived or at least its fitted value is reported transparently. Please state explicitly that Lambda is matched to the spin model, quantify the sensitivity of the agreement to Lambda, and, if possible, derive Lambda from the microscopic model rather than fit it.
  3. [Sec. 4.4 / Eq. (4.24)] For nu = 0 with 2j+1 even, the spread-complexity calculation deletes one member of each degenerate pair and constructs the infinite-temperature TFD state from the reduced Hamiltonian; the resulting spread complexity is not a property of the original H_j. The conclusion that the peak appears at O(1) time and that saturation is approached from below therefore needs either a justification that the deleted sector decouples from the chosen initial state in the large-j limit, or a separate computation, for example on a symmetry-resolved TFD, performed in the full Hilbert space.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Sec. 3.2.1] The formulas in Eqs. (3.12) and (3.13) use a mass parameter nu, but the Hamiltonian in Eq. (2.4) does not include the mass term; please state explicitly whether the diagonalization is performed for (2.4) augmented by the term (2.21), or adjust the notation accordingly.
  2. [References] Reference [27] is incomplete: 'Sur les courbes definies par des equations differentielles, .' lacks the journal, volume, year, and page range.
  3. [Figs. 4.9 and 4.10] The spread-complexity curves are presented without numerical tolerance or error estimates; please add error bars or state that the differences between curves are below plot resolution.
  4. [Table 4.1] The notation 'Fast scrambled^' in Table 4.1 should be clarified; if the caret is a footnote marker, it should be placed consistently and the corresponding note should be provided.

Circularity Check

2 steps flagged · score 4.0 of 10

Principal-series SU(2) density result is imported from a coauthor's prior work [19], and the complementary-series PT-unbroken window is anchored to a numerical fit, Eq. (5.6), rather than a derivation.

  1. self citation load bearing [Sec. 3.1.1, following Eq. (3.4)]
    "It was shown in [19] that the inverse level spacing of the Hamiltonian (2.1) converges to the density of states (A.3) for a massive particle in dS2 with scaling dimension Δ = 1/2 + iν. The numerical result is shown in fig. 4.3 in [19], reproduced here in fig. 3.1."

    The paper's first central result — the SU(2) principal-series identification — is not re-derived in the present work. The subsequent character argument ('One can use coherent spin states to show ... each of which contributes to the character as an IHO [19]') also delegates the load-bearing step to reference [19]. Since [19] is authored by coauthor Klaas Parmentier and is not machine-checked or independently verified inside the present text, the analytic convergence claim is justified by a self-citation. The numerical reproduction in Fig. 3.1 confirms the imported formula but does not replace the missing derivation; the later SU(3) analysis and complementary-series section are independent content.

  2. fitted input called prediction [Sec. 5.3, Eq. (5.6)]
    "From a fit, see fig. 5.1b, we find |νc| « 1/2 + 1/(1 + log 2j) as j → ∞, j ∈ 2N + 1, so that at large j the critical value becomes 1/2."

    The complementary-series claim requires the spectrum of H_j with ν = iβ to be entirely real for 0 < β < ν_c(j). For even j this threshold is not derived; it is obtained by fitting the numerical spectra, and the fitted formula is then used to conclude that 'below the critical value, the large-spin density of states is that of a light scalar in dS2.' The PT-unbroken window is therefore an input extracted from the same numerical data, not an independent prediction. The parity label in (5.6), j ∈ 2N+1, also contradicts the surrounding even-j discussion, and no error bars or data points are given, so the extrapolation to ν_c → 1/2 is not a parameter-free result.

full rationale

The paper is not circular by construction: the density-of-states comparison in Figs. 3.1 and 3.3 is a nontrivial numerical match, and the matched constant Λ in (A.3) only shifts the density vertically without determining the peak structure. The SU(3) analytic density (3.13) is derived in the text from the IHO character and checked numerically, and the dynamical probes in Sec. 4 are independent numerical studies. The principal circularity concern is the delegation of the SU(2) principal-series convergence proof to [19], a prior paper by one of the authors; the present paper reproduces the numerical result but does not supply the analytic argument. A second, non-identity circularity is the complementary-series extension: the real-spectrum threshold that justifies the PT-unbroken phase is fitted in Eq. (5.6) for even j, and for odd j it is asserted rather than proven that no eigenvalue becomes complex before ν = i/2. These are load-bearing gaps in the most novel claim, but they do not reduce the final density formula to the input by definition; hence the score is 4 rather than higher.

Assumptions & free parameters 2 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central derivation rests on four main pillars: the coherent-state semiclassical limit, the assumption that only hyperbolic fixed points survive coarse-graining, the dS character formulas used as benchmarks, and the PT-unbroken phase assumption for imaginary nu. The first three are standard or inherited from [19] and [81,82]; the fourth is partially proved and partially fitted. No new physical entities are postulated. The UV regulator Lambda is a matched constant and nu_c is an empirical fit, so both are counted as free parameters.

free parameters (2)
  • UV regulator Lambda in the dS density of states = matched to numerics; Lambda ~ j
    In Eq. (A.3), Lambda shifts rho(omega) without changing its shape; the paper calls it a constant to be matched and uses this offset to align the spin-model inverse level spacing with the analytic dS density.
  • critical PT-breaking value nu_c(j) = approximately 1/2 + 1/(1 + log 2j) for j in 2N+1
    Eq. (5.6) is obtained from a numerical fit, not derived; it is used to show nu_c approaches the unitarity bound 1/2 in the large-j limit.
assumptions (4)
  • standard math Large-j spin dynamics is governed by coherent-state expectation values (Berezin quantization), with 1/j as the effective Planck constant.
    Used throughout Sec. 2 to identify hyperbolic fixed points and inverted-harmonic-oscillator behavior; standard semiclassical result.
  • domain assumption Only hyperbolic fixed points contribute to the coarse-grained character and density of states at large j; elliptic fixed points and periodic orbits are negligible after coarse-graining.
    Assumed in Sec. 3.1.1 (footnote 3) and used for the SU(3) prediction (3.13); numerically validated for the cases shown but not proven in general.
  • standard math The Harish-Chandra character formulas (A.2), (A.3), (A.6)-(A.8) correctly give the dS2 and dS3 densities of states.
    Taken from [81,82] and used as benchmarks for the spin model; accepted background results.
  • ad hoc to paper For nu in iR with |nu| below nu_c, the PT-symmetric LMG Hamiltonian has a real spectrum and defines a valid quantum theory.
    Sec. 5 assumes a PT-unbroken phase to identify complementary-series states; proved only for special nu and j parity, plus the empirical fit (5.6).

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abstract

We study SU($N$) spin systems that mimic the behavior of particles in $N$-dimensional de Sitter space for $N=2,3$. Their Hamiltonians describe a dynamical system with hyperbolic fixed points, leading to emergent quasinormal modes at the quantum level. These manifest as quasiparticle peaks in the density of states. For a particle in 2-dimensional de Sitter, we find both principal and complementary series densities of states from a PT-symmetric version of the Lipkin-Meshkov-Glick model, having two hyperbolic fixed points in the classical phase space. We then study different spectral and dynamical properties of this class of models, including level spacing statistics, two-point functions, squared commutators, spectral form factor, Krylov operator and state complexity. We find that, even though the early-time properties of these quantities are governed by the saddle points -- thereby in some cases mimicking corresponding properties of chaotic systems, a close look at the late-time behavior reveals the integrable nature of the system.

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Figure 2.1
Figure 2.1. SUpNq coherent states can be identified with points in the phase space CP N´1 . In the large-spin limit, their dynamics is classical. Above we show the orbits resulting from the SUp2q Hamiltonian (2.1), whose value is indicated by the color scale, ranging from negative energies in blue to positive ones in yellow. At fixed mass parameter ν and large spin j, the two hyperbolic fixed points give rise to emergent dS QNM… view at source ↗
Figure 2.2
Figure 2.2. Lattice representation of SU(3) states illustrating the role of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 2.3
Figure 2.3. In (a) we show classical orbits in the Re [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_2_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3.1
Figure 3.1. Figure 3.1: The total density of states found by numerically diagonalizing the model in ( [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_3_1.png]
Figure 3.2
Figure 3.2. Figure 3.2: Evolution of the SFF for the spin model ( [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_3_2.png]
Figure 3.3
Figure 3.3. Figure 3.3: Inverse level spacings of the SUp3q system (2.4) at j “ 300, compared to analytic prediction (3.13) for the density of states. The right peak equals that of fixed-L states in dS3 static patch and is due to the IHO-like behavior near the origin. The left peak instead …
Figure 3.4
Figure 3.4. Figure 3.4: We consider the SUp3q Hamiltonian (2.4) at j “ 100. The PDF histogram plot in (a) shows very regular level spacings in a sector of fixed angular momentum L “ 0. In (b), we see that the level spacings do become Poisson distributed (blue) when considering the combinati…
Figure 3.5
Figure 3.5. Figure 3.5: We sample the SFF of the SUp3q system (2.4) with j “ 500 and ν “ 0 at time intervals 0.05. In (a), we consider all energy levels in the sector of fixed angular momentum L “ 0. We show the moving average over 40 data points (∆t “ 2). As in the SUp2q case of fig. 3.2, …
Figure 4.1
Figure 4.1. Figure 4.1: Plots of the normalized 2-point function [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_4_1.png]
Figure 4.2
Figure 4.2. Figure 4.2: Plots of the normalized 2-point function [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p021_4_2.png]
Figure 4.3
Figure 4.3. Figure 4.3: Plots of the squared commutator Czptq and OTOC of the Jz operator obtained numerically with j “ 200, and ν “ 0. Panel (a) shows the early-time exponential growth, while the inset shows the presence of large oscillations around a mean value at late times, indicating t…
Figure 4.4
Figure 4.4. Figure 4.4: Plots of the squared commutator Cpx`yq{? 2 ptq and OTOC of the pJx ` Jyq{? 2 operator obtained numerically with j “ 200, and ν “ 0. Panel (a) shows the early-time exponential growth, while the inset shows the presence of large oscillations around a mean value at late…
Figure 4.5
Figure 4.5. Figure 4.5: The Lanczos coefficients bn for the initial operator Jz show linear growth at small values of n. We take j “ 25 pblueq, 50 predq, 75 pblackq. The green dashed lines represent bn “ 0.5n, corresponding to the growth rate 2α “ λsaddle “ 1 at fixed ν and large j. As in […
Figure 4.6
Figure 4.6. Figure 4.6: Early-time evolution of the Krylov operator complexity for the initial operator [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p029_4_6.png]
Figure 4.7
Figure 4.7. Figure 4.7: The full set of Lanczos coefficients and late-time Krylov complexity of the op [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p029_4_7.png]
Figure 4.8
Figure 4.8. Figure 4.8: The right-sided biased Q0n ¨ DO (eq. (4.21)) in the Krylov chain for the operator Jz with j “ 25 (red), 50 (blue) and ν “ 0. 4.4 Krylov state complexity Finally, we consider Krylov state or spread complexity [6] in the system with Hamiltonian (2.1).14 Compared to Kry…
Figure 4.9
Figure 4.9. Figure 4.9: Numerically obtained time evolution pattern of the spread complexity when [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p032_4_9.png]
Figure 4.10
Figure 4.10. Figure 4.10: Plot (a) shows the time evolution of the spread complexity for the infinite [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p033_4_10.png]
Figure 5.1
Figure 5.1. Figure 5.1: In (a) we see the density of states ρpωq for (2.1) at j “ 501 and the complementary series value ν “ i 4 , compared to the analytical dS2 result (A.3). When j P 2N`1, the critical νc P iR at which the first imaginary eigenvalue appears is |νc| “ 1{2. In (b), we show …

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