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Time crystals in a shaken atom-cavity system

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Pith's one-line read A shaken atom-cavity system produces a long-lived incommensurate time crystal, with cavity photons oscillating at a tunable non-integer multiple of the drive period.

desk verdict Specific, falsifiable prediction of an incommensurate time crystal in a shaken cavity-BEC system, with the main weakness being the unquantified finite-N to thermodynamic-limit extrapolation. read the letter →

arxiv 1909.00266 v2 pith:QDPNLTFH submitted 2019-08-31 cond-mat.quant-gas quant-ph

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The reading

This paper claims that phase-modulating the transverse pump of an atom-cavity system, which shakes the optical lattice, creates an incommensurate time crystal: the cavity photon number and atomic order parameters oscillate at a non-integer multiple of the driving period, spontaneously breaking the discrete time-translation symmetry of the Hamiltonian. The subharmonic response corresponds to dynamical switching between bond-ordered density wave states, where atoms self-organize at the nodes of the pump-cavity potential, a state that does not exist in equilibrium. The authors map out a wide time-crystal region in the pump-intensity versus shaking-amplitude phase diagram and show, using semiclassical simulations, that the oscillations are rigid against quantum fluctuations, small drive imperfections, and weak collisional interactions, with lifetimes that grow with atom number. If the claim holds, the cavity's emitted light provides a direct in situ readout of time-translation symmetry breaking in a driven-dissipative many-body system.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing object is the bond-density-wave order parameter $\Phi_{\mathrm{BDW1}}$, a nonequilibrium density order in which atoms sit at the nodes ('bonds') of the combined pump-cavity potential. The driving phase $\phi(t) = f_0\sin(\omega_d t)$ couples parametrically to the product of $\Phi_{\mathrm{BDW1}}$ and the real part of the cavity field, and when the drive frequency exceeds the superradiant resonance frequency $\omega_{\mathrm{res}}$, this coupling excites a large-amplitude oscillation of $\Phi_{\mathrm{BDW1}}$ near $\omega_{\mathrm{res}}$. The beating between the drive frequency and the BDW1 frequency produces the slow period $T_B$. The simulations solve coupled c-number equations of motion for the cavity mode and up to 81 momentum modes, with cavity noise included in the truncated Wigner approximation; the mean-field limit is argued to become exact as the atom number $N_a \to \infty$ at fixed $N_a\Delta_0$.

What would settle it

An exact master-equation simulation (for example via quantum trajectories) for a small but finite atom number in the same parameter regime would show whether the cavity photon peak at $2\omega_{\mathrm{DW1}}$ survives beyond the truncated-Wigner prediction; alternatively, an experiment could measure the period $T_B = 2\pi/(\omega_d(1 - \omega_{\mathrm{res}}/\omega_d))$ and check whether the oscillation amplitude decays over thousands of cycles at fixed $N_a$, with a lifetime that scales with $N_a$ as plotted in Fig. 12.

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Core claim

The paper establishes that resonant excitation of the dynamical bond-density-wave order parameter $\Phi_{\mathrm{BDW1}} = \langle\sin(ky)\cos(kz)\rangle$ at frequency $\omega_{\mathrm{BDW1}} \approx \omega_{\mathrm{res}} = 2\omega_{\mathrm{rec}}\sqrt{\epsilon_p}$ produces a time-translation-symmetry-breaking response of the cavity mode with period $T_B = 2\pi/\omega_{\mathrm{DW1}} = 2\pi/(\omega_d(1 - \omega_{\mathrm{res}}/\omega_d))$. During each such period the system switches between two checkerboard-like BDW1 configurations, and the cavity photon occupation $|\alpha|^2$ oscillates at $2\omega_{\mathrm{DW1}}$, a non-integer multiple of the drive period when $\omega_{\mathrm{res}}/\omega_d$ is not rational. The authors demonstrate through mean-field and truncated Wigner simulations that this incommensurate time crystal persists for thousands of drive cycles, is robust to cavity-loss noise, to drive-amplitude perturbations up to about 20%, and to weak contact interactions, and that its finite-size decay time increases with atom number, extrapolating to infinite lifetime in the thermodynamic limit.

Load-bearing premise

The predicted long-lived time crystal rests on the semiclassical equations of motion, with cavity noise added only in the truncated Wigner approximation, being faithful to the full quantum master equation; if genuine quantum fluctuations or heating not captured by this treatment scramble the BDW1 oscillations, the subharmonic response could decay instead of persisting.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The incommensurate time crystal can be observed in situ simply by monitoring the cavity photons, since $|\alpha|^2$ oscillates at $2\omega_{\mathrm{DW1}}$, a frequency much slower than the drive, so a photodetector suffices.
  • The subharmonic frequency is tunable by adjusting either the pump intensity, which sets $\omega_{\mathrm{res}}$, or the drive frequency, allowing both incommensurate and commensurate responses (for example $T_B = 80T$) in the same platform.
  • The phase is stable against drive-amplitude imperfections up to $\delta/f_0 \approx 20\%$ and against weak contact interactions up to $E_{\mathrm{int}}/E_{\mathrm{rec}} = 0.05$, indicating that existing atom-cavity experiments can realize it without perfect control.
  • For finite atom numbers the oscillations decay, but their lifetime grows with $N_a$, supporting a genuine time crystal in the thermodynamic limit rather than a transient prethermal effect.
  • The BDW1 state is a new nonequilibrium density order that does not exist in equilibrium and is stabilized only by the periodic driving, expanding the set of attainable ordered phases in cavity-BEC systems.

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Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The beating mechanism should generalize beyond cavity QED: any driven-dissipative system with a parametric resonance whose natural frequency is slightly detuned from the drive can exhibit an incommensurate subharmonic period, making this a generic route to time quasicrystals.
  • Because the time crystal is read out through the emitted cavity field, one could test beyond-TWA effects by measuring photon correlations or heterodyne spectra and comparing them with the TWA predictions; disagreement would signal quantum corrections not captured by the semiclassical treatment.
  • Tuning $\omega_{\mathrm{res}}/\omega_d$ from a rational value (commensurate Dicke time crystal) to an irrational value should produce a continuous transition from period doubling to a genuinely incommensurate oscillation, which may clarify how discrete time-translation breaking evolves into quasiperiodic behavior.
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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript studies a cavity-BEC system in which a transverse pump is phase-modulated, producing a shaken lattice. It reports a dynamical phase in which the cavity photon number and a bond-density-wave order parameter oscillate with period TB = 2π/[ω_d(1 − ω_res/ω_d)], where ω_res = 2ω_rec√ϵ_p, so that the response can be incommensurate with the drive. The results are obtained from semiclassical mean-field equations of motion and truncated Wigner approximation (TWA) simulations using parameters motivated by the Hamburg experiment. The authors map a dynamical phase diagram and test robustness to stochastic noise, drive imperfections, contact interactions, and finite atom number, concluding that the time crystal persists in the thermodynamic limit.

Significance. If the central claim holds, the paper offers an experimentally accessible platform for an incommensurate time crystal, with a parameter-free prediction for the subharmonic period and a directly measurable cavity output. The strengths of the paper are its explicit use of experimentally motivated parameters, a defined momentum-mode truncation, TWA simulations that go beyond mean field, and several independent robustness checks. The main weakness is that the thermodynamic-limit persistence rests on a small set of finite-size TWA curves without a fitted scaling law, uncertainty estimates, or an exact benchmark, so the conclusion is plausible but not yet fully established.

major comments (3)
  1. [Sec. IV, Fig. 12] The statement that the finite-size oscillations decay but 'their lifetime increases with Na, which leads to an infinite decay time in the thermodynamic limit' is an extrapolation without quantitative support. Figure 12 shows a small number of TWA curves with no fitted lifetime τ(Na), no error bars, and no comparison against an exact solution of the quantum master equation for a truncated few-mode model. If τ(Na) grows sublinearly or saturates, the persistence claim fails. Please add a scaling analysis of the lifetime versus Na and an exact small-system benchmark (or a quantitative TWA-validity argument) to make this load-bearing step reproducible.
  2. [Sec. III B, Eq. (17)] The incommensurate character of the time crystal is asserted from Eq. (17), which uses ω_BDW1 ≈ ω_res. The paper does not provide a quantitative spectral characterization showing that the numerically observed peak is at the predicted frequency to within the spectral resolution and is distinct from any rational multiple of ω_d over the accessible time window. Figure 5 reports the ratio ω_BDW1/ω_d but gives no linewidths or fit residuals. Please add a quantitative comparison of the extracted frequency with Eq. (17), including uncertainties, to support the 'incommensurate' claim.
  3. [Sec. III C, Fig. 1(d)] The construction of the dynamical phase diagram is not fully specified. The text refers to long-time averaged Φ_DW1 and |Φ_BDW1| and to the 'leading order parameter and the long-time dynamics,' but the exact criteria for separating BEC, DW1, TC, and DW2 (including how the metastable DW2 state is excluded from the TC region) are not stated. Please define the classification rules, the time windows, and any thresholds used so that the phase boundaries in Fig. 1(d) are reproducible.
minor comments (6)
  1. [Sec. II vs. Sec. IV] The number of momentum modes is inconsistent: Sec. II states that modes spanning {n,m} ∈ [−6,6]ℏk are used, which gives 169 modes, while Sec. IV states M = 81 momentum modes. Please reconcile these numbers.
  2. [Fig. 3 caption] The inset captions in Fig. 3 refer to a 'DW4' phase, while the main text and Fig. 3(l) describe the DW2 phase. Please correct this notation.
  3. [Sec. IV, Figs. 11 and 12] The Gaussian filter used to remove fast oscillations in Figs. 11 and 12, and also in Fig. 3(l), is not specified. Please give the filter width and comment on how the filtering affects the reported oscillation lifetimes.
  4. [Sec. IV, Fig. 12] The TWA calculations are based on 10^3 trajectories, but no statistical uncertainties are reported. Adding error bars to Fig. 12 would strengthen the finite-size comparison.
  5. [Eq. (17)] Equation (17) introduces m without defining it immediately. Please define m = ω_res/ω_d and clarify that the 'noninteger multiple' of the driving period corresponds to TB/T = 1/(1−m).
  6. [General] No data or code availability statement is included; for a numerical study, shipping the simulation code or depositing the data would materially aid verification by readers.

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No significant circularity: the subharmonic period is an algebraic beat relation with an independently specified resonance frequency, and the self-citations are not load-bearing.

full rationale

The central claim, an incommensurate time crystal with period TB = 2π/(ωd(1−ωres/ωd)), is not obtained by fitting or by defining the prediction in terms of the target observable. Equation (17) is an algebraic statement of the beat period between the drive frequency ωd and the parametric resonance frequency ωres of the BDW1 mode; ωres is quoted from the microscopic expression ωres = 2ωrec√ϵp and is not extracted from TB itself. The paper solves the full semiclassical equations of motion (Eq. 12) with fixed experimental parameters and then identifies the subharmonic response; this is a numerical finding, not a quantity that has been inserted as an input. The free-energy argument in Eq. (11) is derived from the Hamiltonian and identifies which order parameter couples to the shaking, but the subsequent dynamics are not constrained to produce the claimed period by construction. The self-citations, primarily Refs. [43] and [56], are used to motivate parametric resonances and dynamical switching, but the same statements are accompanied by external references such as Refs. [57–63], and the central period formula does not reduce to a self-citation. The finite-N TWA extrapolation in Fig. 12 is an evidentiary limitation: the paper asserts that the lifetime increases with Na without fitting a scaling law or benchmarking against an exact small-system master equation. That is a question of validation and robustness, not circularity, because the finite-N decay curves are not used to define the claimed infinite-lifetime phase; the MF limit is argued independently from the 1/Na saddle-point expansion. Overall, no load-bearing step in the derivation chain is equivalent by construction to its own inputs, so the appropriate finding is no significant circularity.

Assumptions & free parameters 1 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on the standard Dicke-cavity Hamiltonian, the assumption that the semiclassical equations of motion capture the driven-dissipative quantum dynamics, and the identification of the subharmonic frequency with the undriven parametric resonance. No new microscopic entity is postulated; BDW1 is an emergent ordered phase described by an order parameter in Eq. (10). The only numerical control entering the central results is the momentum-mode truncation, whose convergence is asserted rather than documented.

free parameters (1)
  • momentum-mode truncation nmax = n,m in [-6,6] (81 modes)
    Finite basis used in solving Eq. (12). The paper asserts convergence without showing convergence data; the central phase diagram and TWA results depend on this truncation.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption Single cavity mode plus plane-wave momentum expansion (n,m)ℏk for atoms, Eqs. (3)-(7).
    Standard Dicke-cavity description, valid in the recoil-resolved single-mode regime, but it neglects higher transverse modes and external trapping details.
  • domain assumption Semiclassical mean-field equations (12) with c-number fields are exact as Na→∞ at fixed NaΔ0.
    Sec. II justifies this via a 1/Na saddle-point expansion; all mean-field dynamics depend on this limit.
  • domain assumption Truncated Wigner approximation with vacuum-seeded fluctuations and 10^3 trajectories captures leading quantum corrections and cavity-loss noise.
    Sec. IV relies on TWA for rigidity and finite-N decay; TWA is approximate and is not benchmarked against an exact master equation in this paper.
  • domain assumption The emergent BDW1 oscillation frequency is set by the undriven parametric resonance ωres = 2ωrec√ϵp.
    Sec. III A and Eq. (17) identify the subharmonic period with (ωd−ωres); if nonlinear shifts or lattice-shaking corrections alter the resonance, the predicted period changes.
  • domain assumption Atomic contact interactions are negligible for the central TC regime, and are later included only up to Eint/Erec = 0.05.
    Collisions are added only in Sec. IV; the main phase diagram assumes no collisional interaction.

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We demonstrate the emergence of a time crystal of atoms in a high-finesse optical cavity driven by a phase-modulated transverse pump field, resulting in a shaken lattice. This shaken system exhibits macroscopic oscillations in the number of cavity photons and order parameters at noninteger multiples of the driving period, which signals the appearance of an incommensurate time crystal. The subharmonic oscillatory motion corresponds to dynamical switching between symmetry-broken states, which are nonequilibrium bond ordered density wave states. Employing a semiclassical phase-space representation for the driven-dissipative quantum dynamics, we confirm the rigidity and persistence of the time crystalline phase. We identify experimentally relevant parameter regimes for which the time crystal phase is long-lived, and map out the dynamical phase diagram. We compare and contrast the incommensurate time crystal with the commensurate Dicke time crystal in the amplitude-modulated case.

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