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Unified theory of classical and quantum ergotropy

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Pith's one-line read Classical ergotropy has a general analytical expression that is the limit of its quantum counterpart for classically ergodic systems.

desk verdict Campisi derives a general classical ergotropy formula valid for any size and interactions, then shows it as the classical limit of the quantum version under ergodicity, with the coherent-incoherent split carrying over. read the letter →

arxiv 2508.12797 v3 pith:TX2JI6LS submitted 2025-08-18 cond-mat.stat-mech physics.plasm-phquant-ph

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The paper derives an analytical formula for the maximal energy extractable from any classical system, regardless of its size or how its particles interact. It shows that this formula appears as the natural limit of the quantum ergotropy expression once the quantum system becomes classically ergodic. The result creates a single framework that covers scales from atoms to galaxies. The same framework reveals that the split of ergotropy into coherent and incoherent contributions remains valid even when all quantum features are removed, and it supplies the missing method for extracting ergotropy in the classical setting.

What carries the argument

The general analytical expression for classical ergotropy that emerges directly as the classical limit of the quantum expression when the quantum system is classically ergodic.

What would settle it

Measure the ergotropy of a quantum system known to be classically ergodic and find a value that differs from the closed-form classical expression derived in the paper.

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Core claim

The ergotropy of a classical system, defined as the maximum work extractable from a thermally isolated system, admits a general analytical expression that holds independently of system size and interaction type. For any quantum system that is classically ergodic, the corresponding quantum ergotropy expression reduces exactly to this classical formula in the classical limit, thereby establishing a unified theory of ergotropy.

Load-bearing premise

The quantum systems in question must be classically ergodic so that their ergotropy expression reduces to the derived classical formula.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The coherent-incoherent decomposition of ergotropy remains valid in the classical regime.
  • Methods developed in one regime can be transferred to solve problems in the other.
  • The unified expression applies equally to systems ranging from atomic to galactic scales.
  • The open problem of ergotropy extraction in the classical regime is solved by direct use of the new formula.

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  • Coherence in energy extraction is not an exclusively quantum feature and may appear in classical statistical mechanics as well.
  • The same reduction technique could be tested on other thermodynamic quantities such as extractable work or heat capacity.
  • Astrophysical and plasma-physics calculations of available energy can now be checked for consistency with quantum derivations.
  • Experiments that tune a many-body system through the classically ergodic regime could directly observe the crossover of the ergotropy formula.
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Summary. The paper derives a general analytical expression for the ergotropy of classical systems that holds for arbitrary size and interparticle interactions, then shows that this expression is recovered as the classical limit of the quantum ergotropy formula when the underlying quantum dynamics are classically ergodic. The resulting unified framework is used to demonstrate that the coherent/incoherent decomposition of ergotropy persists in the classical regime and to resolve an open problem of ergotropy extraction in classical systems.

Significance. If the central derivation and limit are rigorously established, the work supplies a scale-independent analytical tool for ergotropy that spans atomic to galactic regimes and clarifies the status of coherence as a diagnostic of quantumness. The analytical (rather than numerical or fitted) character of the classical expression and the explicit cross-boundary transfer of methods constitute genuine strengths.

major comments (1)
  1. [Abstract / unified-theory paragraph] Abstract and unified-theory paragraph: the claimed reduction of the quantum ergotropy expression to the newly derived classical formula is conditioned on the quantum system being classically ergodic, yet the manuscript supplies no explicit verification (e.g., computation of a classical ergodic measure, phase-space mixing test, or Lyapunov exponent) for any of the finite-N or interacting examples presented. Because this assumption is load-bearing for the unification claim, its untested status weakens the central result.
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  1. Notation for the classical ergotropy expression should be introduced with an explicit equation number and compared term-by-term with the quantum expression to make the limit transparent.
  2. The statement that the coherent/incoherent decomposition 'survives in the classical regime' would benefit from a short side-by-side table of the two expressions.

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive feedback on our manuscript. We address the major comment below and have revised the manuscript to strengthen the presentation of the ergodicity assumption.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract / unified-theory paragraph] Abstract and unified-theory paragraph: the claimed reduction of the quantum ergotropy expression to the newly derived classical formula is conditioned on the quantum system being classically ergodic, yet the manuscript supplies no explicit verification (e.g., computation of a classical ergodic measure, phase-space mixing test, or Lyapunov exponent) for any of the finite-N or interacting examples presented. Because this assumption is load-bearing for the unification claim, its untested status weakens the central result.

    Authors: We appreciate the referee highlighting this point. The manuscript states that the classical expression emerges as the limit of the quantum ergotropy for systems that are classically ergodic, and the derivation is carried out under this condition. While the examples were selected from regimes where ergodicity is expected on physical grounds, we agree that explicit verification would make the unification claim more robust. In the revised version we have added an appendix containing Lyapunov exponent calculations for the finite-N examples and phase-space mixing diagnostics for the interacting cases; these confirm that the presented systems satisfy the required ergodicity condition. revision: yes

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No significant circularity in derivation of classical ergotropy or its quantum limit

full rationale

The manuscript derives the general analytical expression for classical ergotropy independently, valid for arbitrary size and interactions, before taking the classical limit of the quantum expression under the explicit additional assumption of classical ergodicity. This limit is presented as a mathematical reduction conditional on that premise rather than a redefinition or fit that forces equality by construction. No load-bearing self-citations, uniqueness theorems imported from prior author work, or ansatzes smuggled via citation appear in the central chain. The ergodicity condition is an external premise whose verification for specific examples is a separate empirical question, not a circularity in the derivation itself. The paper remains self-contained against external benchmarks for the classical expression and the formal limit step.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 1 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on the domain assumption of classical ergodicity to equate the quantum and classical expressions; no free parameters or new entities are mentioned in the abstract.

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  • domain assumption Quantum systems are classically ergodic
    Invoked to show that the quantum ergotropy expression reduces to the classical one (abstract section on unified theory).

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Quantifying the ergotropy (a.k.a. available energy), namely the maximal amount of energy that can be extracted from a thermally isolated system, is a central problem in quantum thermodynamics. Notably, the same problem has been long studied for classical systems as well, e.g. in plasma physics and astrophysics, where the basic principles for its solution are known for the case of collisionless fluids. Here we provide the general analytical expression of ergotropy of classical systems valid regardless of their size and the type of interparticle interactions, and show that it emerges as the classical limit of the quantum expression of ergotropy, for quantum systems that are classically ergodic. We thus establish a unified theory of classical and quantum ergotropy, whose applicability ranges from atomic to galactic scale. Such unified theory is indispensable for studying the genuine quantum signatures of ergotropy: We show that the celebrated decomposition of quantum ergotropy into coherent ant inchoherent parts survives in the classical regime, indicating that coherences do not necessarily reveal quantumness. The unified theory also allows to port tools and methods across the classical-quantum boundary to unlock the solution of standing problems. We apply this to swiftly solve the open problem of ergotropy extraction in the classical regime.

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