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arxiv: 2412.07792 · v3 · submitted 2024-11-26 · ❄️ cond-mat.supr-con

On the Author Correction to "Magnetic flux trapping in hydrogen-rich high-temperature superconductors", Nat Phys. 19, 1293 (2023), arXiv:2206.14108

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keywords flux creepH3S superconductorhigh pressurediamond anvil cellmagnetic momentvortex pinningexperimental protocol
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The pith

The protocol used for time-dependent magnetic moment data in high-pressure H3S cannot show flux creep.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

This paper reviews an author correction to claims of flux trapping in H3S. The correction reveals the protocol for time-dependent magnetic moment measurements at temperatures up to 185 K. That protocol is incompatible with the diamond anvil cell geometry needed for the high-pressure experiments. As a result the data cannot be taken as evidence for vortex pinning or flux creep.

Core claim

The experimental protocol disclosed in the author correction for collecting time-dependent magnetic moment data is not applicable to H3S under high pressure in a diamond anvil cell and therefore does not provide evidence of pinning and thermally activated motion of vortices.

What carries the argument

The experimental protocol for time-dependent magnetic moment measurements to detect flux creep.

If this is right

  • The reported time-dependent data do not support the existence of flux creep in H3S.
  • An alternative protocol is needed for valid flux-creep measurements in diamond anvil cells.
  • Claims of high-temperature superconductivity based on these data remain unproven by this method.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Measurement protocols must be verified for compatibility with high-pressure cell constraints before interpreting results as evidence of superconductivity.
  • Similar issues may affect other studies relying on magnetic measurements in confined geometries.

Load-bearing premise

The protocol disclosed in the author correction matches the one used for the data and can be physically applied inside a diamond anvil cell.

What would settle it

Conducting the measurement with a protocol adapted for diamond anvil cell conditions and checking for the presence or absence of time-dependent decay consistent with flux creep.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2412.07792 by N. Zen.

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read the original abstract

In Fig. 4c, under the section titled "Pinning and thermally activated motion of vortices" in arXiv:2206.14108 and Nat Phys. 19, 1293 (2023) [1], Minkov and co-workers presented the time dependence of the magnetic moment of sulfur hydride (H$_{3}$S) under high pressure and argued that they had observed magnetic flux creep at 165 K, 180 K and 185 K. Flux creep is a phenomenon observed under the assumption that the material under study can trap magnetic flux, and thus, Fig. 4c serves as evidence that H$_{3}$S traps magnetic flux and is a high-temperature superconductor. The claim remains unchanged even in the recently published Author Correction [2] to Ref. [1]. However, Ref. [2] discloses an experimental protocol they used to collect the time-dependent magnetic moment data. In this Commentary Paper, we point out that the protocol is not applicable to H$_{3}$S under high pressure and propose an alternative protocol. The correct protocol demonstrates that the claim in Refs. [1,2] -- that their time-dependent magnetic moment data serve as evidence of "pinning and thermally activated motion of vortices" -- is indeed invalid.

Editorial analysis

A structured set of objections, weighed in public.

Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit. Tearing a paper down is the easy half of reading it; the pith above is the substance, this is the friction.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. This manuscript is a commentary critiquing the author correction to Minkov et al. (Nat. Phys. 19, 1293, 2023; arXiv:2206.14108). It argues that the experimental protocol disclosed in the correction for collecting time-dependent magnetic moment data (Fig. 4c) is physically inapplicable to H3S in a high-pressure diamond anvil cell, proposes an alternative protocol, and concludes that the published data therefore do not constitute valid evidence for 'pinning and thermally activated motion of vortices' or flux creep.

Significance. If the central claim holds, the work would remove one line of evidence for magnetic flux trapping in H3S, weakening the case for high-temperature superconductivity in this material. The manuscript correctly identifies that flux-creep claims require a specific measurement protocol and that protocol applicability in DAC geometry is a critical but under-examined step. However, the significance is tempered by the absence of quantitative support for why the disclosed protocol is impossible and why the alternative necessarily invalidates the time dependence.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract and main text discussion of protocols] The central claim that the disclosed protocol cannot be executed in a DAC (and that the alternative erases the observed time dependence) is load-bearing, yet the manuscript supplies no quantitative demonstration such as field-penetration calculations, DAC bore geometry constraints, ramp-rate limits, or temperature-stability requirements. This absence leaves the applicability argument as an assertion rather than a demonstrated result.
  2. [Introduction and protocol disclosure section] The manuscript states that the author correction discloses the protocol actually used for Fig. 4c, but provides no direct comparison or verification that the disclosed sequence matches the data acquisition conditions (field ramp, sample position, temperature control) reported in the original work or correction.
minor comments (2)
  1. Notation for the two protocols should be introduced with explicit labels (e.g., 'disclosed protocol' vs. 'alternative protocol') at first use to improve readability.
  2. The references to the original paper and correction are clear, but a brief table comparing the key steps of the disclosed vs. proposed protocols would aid the reader.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 0 unresolved

We thank the referee for the constructive comments on our commentary. We address the major points below, defending the core argument that the protocol disclosed in the author correction is incompatible with DAC constraints for H3S measurements.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract and main text discussion of protocols] The central claim that the disclosed protocol cannot be executed in a DAC (and that the alternative erases the observed time dependence) is load-bearing, yet the manuscript supplies no quantitative demonstration such as field-penetration calculations, DAC bore geometry constraints, ramp-rate limits, or temperature-stability requirements. This absence leaves the applicability argument as an assertion rather than a demonstrated result.

    Authors: The manuscript's argument rests on established physical constraints of DAC setups: the sample is confined to a sub-100 μm chamber under megabar pressures, precluding the sample repositioning or rapid field application sequences implied by the disclosed protocol without compromising pressure stability or introducing artifacts. Standard DAC magnetometry literature confirms that field ramps are limited by the apparatus and cannot replicate the zero-field or field-cooling steps described. While explicit numerical modeling of penetration depths would add detail, the incompatibility follows directly from geometry and operational limits already documented in high-pressure superconductivity experiments; the alternative protocol we outline matches the actual fixed-sample conditions and eliminates spurious time dependence. revision: no

  2. Referee: [Introduction and protocol disclosure section] The manuscript states that the author correction discloses the protocol actually used for Fig. 4c, but provides no direct comparison or verification that the disclosed sequence matches the data acquisition conditions (field ramp, sample position, temperature control) reported in the original work or correction.

    Authors: The author correction explicitly describes the sequence employed for the time-dependent moment data, including specific field and temperature steps. Our analysis directly contrasts this sequence against the high-pressure DAC conditions stated in the original paper (fixed sample position, pressure cell geometry, and temperature control limits), demonstrating that the disclosed steps cannot be performed without violating those conditions. This mismatch is the basis for concluding that the reported time dependence does not evidence flux creep. revision: no

Circularity Check

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No circularity; direct methodological critique with no derivations or self-referential structure

full rationale

The paper critiques the applicability of a disclosed experimental protocol for time-dependent magnetic moment measurements on H3S in a DAC. It contains no equations, no fitted parameters, no predictions, and no self-citations. The central argument rests on physical constraints of the DAC geometry and protocol feasibility, which are presented as independent reasoning rather than any reduction to the paper's own inputs or prior claims by the same authors. No load-bearing step matches any of the enumerated circularity patterns.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

The paper is a methodological critique of an experimental protocol in high-pressure superconductivity; it introduces no free parameters, axioms, or invented entities.

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