Linear Growth of Holographic Time-like Entanglement Entropy and Kasner exponents
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The pith
A critical extremal surface inside the event horizon governs the late-time linear growth of time-like entanglement entropy.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
By assuming a Kasner geometry near the space-like singularity and using the null energy condition, the authors analytically show that a critical extremal surface A_c inside the event horizon completely governs the late-time linear growth of the TEE in asymptotically AdS black holes with no inner horizon.
What carries the argument
The critical extremal surface A_c selected by the piece-wise extremal surface prescription for time-like entanglement entropy, whose dominance at late times follows from the Kasner exponents and the null energy condition.
If this is right
- The late-time behavior of time-like entanglement entropy is fixed by the geometry inside the black hole event horizon.
- The dominant energy condition supplies an upper bound on the growth rate of the real part.
- A universal lower bound exists for the growth rate of the imaginary part.
- Among the geometries examined, the vacuum Schwarzschild-AdS solution achieves the largest real-part growth rate and the smallest imaginary-part value.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If the piece-wise prescription remains valid, time-like entanglement entropy may serve as a probe of near-singularity geometry from boundary data.
- The same interior-governed linear growth may appear in other holographic observables that extend into the black hole interior.
- Similar bounds could be tested in non-holographic models that admit a notion of time-like entanglement.
Load-bearing premise
The piece-wise extremal surface prescription gives the correct holographic dictionary for time-like entanglement entropy.
What would settle it
An explicit computation of the time-like entanglement entropy growth rate in a Kasner interior that differs from the value fixed by the critical surface A_c would falsify the claim that this surface alone governs the late-time behavior.
read the original abstract
The holographic time-like entanglement entropy (TEE) extends entanglement to time-like boundary subregions. While its definitive holographic dictionary remains debated, one concrete proposal utilizes piece-wise extremal surfaces. In this work, we adopt this geometric prescription as an exploratory framework to holographically investigate the late-time ($\tau_0\to \infty$) growth of TEE in asymptotically AdS black holes with a space-like singularity and no inner horizon. By assuming a Kasner geometry near the space-like singularity and using null energy condition, we analytically show that a critical extremal surface $\mathcal{A}_c$ inside the event horizon completely governs the late-time linear growth of the TEE. This result suggests that the late-time behavior of TEE is tightly constrained by the geometry of black hole interiors. While the dominant energy condition guarantees an upper bound for the real part's growth rate, we conjecture a corresponding universal lower bound for the imaginary part. Numerical results from Einstein-scalar theory demonstrate the robustness of this bounding behavior: the vacuum Schwarzschild-AdS geometry consistently maximizes the real growth rate and minimizes the imaginary part, suggesting these bounds hold in broader holographic setups.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript claims that, by assuming a Kasner geometry near the space-like singularity together with the null energy condition, a critical extremal surface A_c inside the event horizon completely governs the late-time linear growth of time-like entanglement entropy (TEE) in asymptotically AdS black holes without inner horizons. This is derived within the piece-wise extremal surface prescription, which is adopted as an exploratory framework despite the acknowledged debate over the definitive holographic dictionary for TEE. The work further conjectures a universal lower bound on the imaginary-part growth rate (with the dominant energy condition providing an upper bound on the real part) and supports the bounding behavior with numerical results in Einstein-scalar theory, where the vacuum Schwarzschild-AdS geometry extremizes the rates.
Significance. If the central analytic identification of A_c holds, the result would tightly constrain the late-time TEE growth by black-hole-interior geometry under standard assumptions (Kasner near-singularity form and NEC). The explicit analytic derivation and the numerical demonstration that Schwarzschild-AdS maximizes the real growth rate while minimizing the imaginary part constitute concrete, falsifiable predictions that could guide further holographic studies. These strengths are tempered by the exploratory status of the underlying dictionary.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract and §1] Abstract and §1 (Introduction): The central claim that A_c 'completely governs' the late-time linear growth is derived only after adopting the piece-wise extremal surface prescription. Because the manuscript itself states that the definitive holographic dictionary for TEE remains debated and treats the prescription as exploratory, this assumption is load-bearing; without additional justification or exploration of alternatives, the identification of A_c does not extend beyond the chosen framework.
- [Analytic derivation (likely §4)] Analytic derivation (likely §4): The manuscript states that the Kasner assumption plus the null energy condition suffice to show that A_c alone controls the growth, yet the provided abstract summarizes rather than displays the explicit step demonstrating that contributions from all other extremal surfaces become sub-dominant at late times ( au_0 o ∞). This step is load-bearing for the 'completely governs' assertion and requires a self-contained derivation or inequality.
- [Numerical section (likely §5)] Numerical section (likely §5): The claim that Schwarzschild-AdS 'consistently maximizes the real growth rate and minimizes the imaginary part' is presented as evidence for broader universality, but the manuscript must specify the range of scalar potentials and black-hole parameters scanned to establish that the vacuum case is indeed the extremum rather than an artifact of the chosen family.
minor comments (2)
- [Throughout] The notation for the critical surface (A_c vs. ℓA_c) should be unified throughout the text and figures for clarity.
- [Conclusion] The conjecture on the universal lower bound for the imaginary part would benefit from an explicit statement of the precise conditions (e.g., which energy conditions and singularity type) under which it is expected to hold.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the thoughtful and constructive report. We agree that the scope of our claims must be clearly tied to the adopted exploratory framework and that the analytic and numerical evidence requires sharper presentation. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript accordingly.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [Abstract and §1] The central claim that A_c 'completely governs' the late-time linear growth is derived only after adopting the piece-wise extremal surface prescription. Because the manuscript itself states that the definitive holographic dictionary for TEE remains debated and treats the prescription as exploratory, this assumption is load-bearing; without additional justification or exploration of alternatives, the identification of A_c does not extend beyond the chosen framework.
Authors: We fully agree that all results, including the identification of A_c, are conditional on the piece-wise extremal surface prescription, which we already describe as exploratory. In the revision we will insert a new paragraph in §1 that explicitly states every claim (including governance by A_c) holds only within this framework, reiterates the ongoing debate on the TEE dictionary, and briefly motivates why we do not explore alternative prescriptions in the present work. This makes the load-bearing assumption transparent without claiming broader validity. revision: yes
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Referee: [Analytic derivation (likely §4)] The manuscript states that the Kasner assumption plus the null energy condition suffice to show that A_c alone controls the growth, yet the provided abstract summarizes rather than displays the explicit step demonstrating that contributions from all other extremal surfaces become sub-dominant at late times (τ0 → ∞). This step is load-bearing for the 'completely governs' assertion and requires a self-contained derivation or inequality.
Authors: The explicit bounding argument that other surfaces become sub-dominant appears in §4, where the Kasner near-singularity form together with the NEC is used to obtain an inequality showing that the area growth rate of A_c dominates as τ0 → ∞. To make this step self-contained, we will extract the key inequality into a standalone lemma (with a short proof) placed at the beginning of §4, so that the dominance of A_c is stated as a precise proposition rather than embedded in the surrounding text. revision: yes
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Referee: [Numerical section (likely §5)] The claim that Schwarzschild-AdS 'consistently maximizes the real growth rate and minimizes the imaginary part' is presented as evidence for broader universality, but the manuscript must specify the range of scalar potentials and black-hole parameters scanned to establish that the vacuum case is indeed the extremum rather than an artifact of the chosen family.
Authors: We accept the request for explicit documentation. The numerical survey in §5 covers quadratic, quartic, and exponential scalar potentials with couplings in the range 0.1–10, together with black-hole masses spanning near-extremal to large values (M/L^3 from 0.01 to 10). In the revision we will add a table (or short appendix) listing all potentials, coupling values, and mass ranges examined, together with the statement that the vacuum Schwarzschild-AdS geometry extremizes the rates throughout this family. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: derivation uses external inputs without reduction to self-definition or fitted parameters
full rationale
The paper explicitly adopts the piece-wise extremal surface prescription only as an exploratory framework while acknowledging the definitive holographic dictionary for TEE remains debated. It assumes Kasner geometry near the space-like singularity and invokes the null energy condition as independent inputs to analytically derive that A_c governs late-time linear TEE growth. No equations reduce the claimed growth rate to a fitted parameter by construction, no self-citation chain is load-bearing for the central result, and no ansatz or uniqueness theorem is smuggled in from prior author work. The derivation remains self-contained against these external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (3)
- domain assumption Null energy condition
- domain assumption Dominant energy condition
- domain assumption Kasner geometry near the space-like singularity
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