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Physics-based battery model parametrisation from impedance data
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Pith's one-line read This paper claims that electrochemical impedance spectra can be used to parametrise physics-based battery models directly, because exact linearisation via automatic differentiation makes model impedance fast to compute, removing the need…
desk verdict A solid AD-based impedance tool and simulated-data parametrisation study; the measured-data electrode-assignment claim is overstated. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing object is the numerical frequency-domain impedance formula: after discretising the model into a system of differential-algebraic equations, the impedance at frequency $\omega$ is $Z_m(\omega,\theta) = [(j\omega M_{\theta,m}-J_{\theta,m})^{-1}B]_{N_x+1}$, where $M_{\theta,m}$ is the mass matrix evaluated at the operating point, $J_{\theta,m}$ is the Jacobian of the model's right-hand side, and the selected entry is the voltage. Automatic differentiation provides the Jacobian exactly and avoids the cost and error of finite-difference linearisation. The second supporting mechanism is parameter grouping: by non-dimensionalising the SPMe and keeping only the dimensions of time, current, and voltage, the paper reduces the model to 22 grouped parameters, and with known cell capacity and relative electrode thicknesses, 18 of these need to be estimated from impedance data.
What would settle it
Measure the second-harmonic distortion ratio across the entire frequency range used for fitting, not just at 400 µHz as in the paper; if the signal-to-nonlinear-distortion ratio drops below roughly 80 at any fitting frequency, the spectra are not linear and the reported parameter values and electrode assignment would change.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that the impedance of any physics-based battery model implemented in PyBaMM can be computed numerically by exact linearisation followed by a frequency-domain solve. After spatial discretisation the model becomes a DAE system, $M_{\theta,m}\frac{d\tilde{x}}{dt}=J_{\theta,m}\tilde{x}+Bi(t)$, and its impedance is the voltage entry of $(j\omega M_{\theta,m}-J_{\theta,m})^{-1}B$, where $J_{\theta,m}$ is the Jacobian of the right-hand side at the operating point, computed exactly by automatic differentiation. The paper validates this against brute-force time-domain simulation, finding relative errors below 0.4% while being orders of magnitude faster, which makes impedance-based fitting practical inside an optimisation loop. Applying the method to the SPMe, the paper groups parameters into 18 estimable quantities, shows how each affects distinct impedance features, and demonstrates that fitting simultaneously over a wide range of SOCs recovers the parameters that directly influence the response and assigns them to the correct electrode. The method is released as open-source software that works with any PyBaMM model at any operating point.
Load-bearing premise
The recorded impedance spectra are small-signal, stationary responses, and the half-cell open-circuit-potential curves used in the fits are the cell's true equilibrium voltages; the paper checks these only thinly and blames their failure for the poor low-frequency fits.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Any model implemented in PyBaMM, including user-defined ones, can be given an impedance response at any operating point without deriving an analytic impedance expression, opening EIS-based calibration to a broad class of physics-based models.
- The comparison of SPM, SPMe, and DFN shows that electrolyte dynamics add a diffusion 'bump' seen in measured data, and that the SPMe is the parsimonious model that captures the relevant impedance features while the DFN is similar but more expensive.
- The 18 grouped SPMe parameters are identifiable when fitted jointly to impedance data across several SOCs, and the parameters that directly affect the response can be assigned to the correct electrode.
- Fitting from impedance data is more informative than time-domain voltage data for short-timescale parameters, while long-timescale diffusion parameters are recovered with similar accuracy from both.
- For the LG M50LT cell, the SPMe fitted to measured EIS data predicts a drive-cycle voltage with a root-mean-square error of 5.3 mV and a maximum error near 15 mV, despite poor low-frequency impedance fits.
Reading between the lines
- Because the negative-electrode diffusion timescale is nearly invisible at 50% SOC where the graphite OCP is flat, an implicit design rule follows: choose SOC operating points where each electrode's open-circuit-potential slope is large to make that electrode's diffusion parameters identifiable; the paper's multi-SOC protocol implements this rule without stating it.
- The same exact-linearisation machinery could be extended to predict higher harmonics by retaining second-order Taylor terms, turning the linear impedance calculator into a nonlinear-EIS diagnostic that would strengthen the paper's single-frequency linearity check.
- If the poor low-frequency fits are indeed caused by OCP hysteresis, as the paper suggests, then fitting the model to impedance spectra acquired with the SOC approached from both charge and discharge directions would separate hysteresis from genuine model deficiency; the reported measurements approach every operating point from discharge only.
- Because impedance computation is cheap for any PyBaMM model, the method turns model selection into an automated loop: candidate extensions such as state-dependent diffusivity, particle-size distributions, or multi-particle models can be compared purely by their ability to fit measured impedance, without hand-deriving any impedance.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. This paper presents PyBaMM-EIS, a numerical frequency-domain impedance computation method for battery models that uses automatic differentiation to linearize the discretized DAE system about an operating point. The method is validated against brute-force time-domain simulation for the SPM and SPMe with relative errors below 0.4%, and it is shown to be much faster than brute-force simulation. The paper then uses the method to compare SPM, SPMe, and DFN impedance, selects the SPMe as a parsimonious model, derives a grouped-parameter SPMe, and performs an impedance sensitivity analysis. Parameter estimation is carried out with PyBOP on simulated impedance data (18 grouped parameters) and on measured LG M50LT impedance data. The simulated-data fits recover most large-feature parameters, while the measured-data fit has poor low-frequency agreement, several parameters at optimisation bounds, and excludes the 10% and 90% SOC spectra. A drive-cycle validation yields a 5.3 mV RMSE.
Significance. If the numerical impedance method is accepted, it is a valuable open-source contribution: it removes the need for analytical impedance derivations for arbitrary PyBaMM models and may substantially speed up EIS-based parametrisation. The grouped-parameter SPMe and the SOC-dependent sensitivity analysis are also useful. However, the central claim that measured SPMe parameters can be accurately determined and assigned to the correct electrode is only partially supported by the evidence, as detailed in the major comments. The paper is therefore significant but needs substantial revision to substantiate the parametrisation claims.
major comments (4)
- [Sec. 6.1, Table 3] The simulated-data identifiability results show that several parameters are estimated at their optimisation bounds (τe+ = 200 s, ζ+ = 0.5, τe_sep = 200 s, Qe = 500 As) and several others have large relative standard deviations over the ten runs (τe− 20.9%, ζ− 41.9%, τct+ 26.5%, C+ 13.9%). This directly qualifies the Abstract's claim that parameters 'can be accurately determined'; the claim holds only for the parameters associated with large impedance features. The authors should either soften the claim or provide a formal identifiability analysis (e.g., profile likelihood or Fisher information) to delineate which parameters are identifiable.
- [Sec. 7.2, Table 5] In the measured-data fit, eight of the eighteen fitted parameters are at their optimisation bounds (τe+, τe−, τe_sep, ζ+, ζ−, Qe, t+, C+). This indicates that the optimiser's bounds, not the impedance data, are constraining these values. The paper notes these are related to small features, but this undermines the broader claim that parameters are accurately determined from measured data. The authors should assess whether wider bounds or different parameter scaling change the results, or explicitly state that these parameters are not identifiable from the available data.
- [Sec. 7.2, Eq. (15)] The paper attributes the poor low-frequency fits to OCP hysteresis, but the model treats the OCP curves as fixed, single-valued equilibrium inputs. Since Eq. (15) shows the diffusion-tail impedance is proportional to U′±(cm,±), any error in the OCP slope directly propagates into the estimated diffusion time-scales τd± and the stoichiometry bounds c0%± and c100%± — exactly the parameters claimed to be assigned to the correct electrode. Without quantifying the hysteresis-induced OCP uncertainty or validating the electrode-level parameters against independent measurements (e.g., half-cell data or post-mortem analysis), the electrode-assignment claim is not established.
- [Sec. 7.2] The measured-data fitting excludes the 10% and 90% SOC spectra because they were 'hard to fit'. This exclusion removes the operating points where the OCP slope is steepest and where the diffusion tail and stoichiometry information are most informative. The paper's claim that fitting must be done simultaneously across a wide SOC range is weakened by excluding exactly the extreme SOCs. The authors should report the fits at these SOCs, discuss why they fail, and quantify how their exclusion affects the remaining parameter estimates.
minor comments (4)
- [Sec. 3, Table 1] The DFN impedance is computed but not validated against brute-force simulation, as the brute-force DFN computation was prohibitively long. The paper should state this limitation explicitly in the validation section, rather than only in the table caption.
- [Sec. 7.1, Eq. (18)] The signal-to-nonlinear distortion ratio is defined as |V(ω)/V(2ω)| at the lowest frequency, but the text does not specify whether V denotes the voltage Fourier coefficient or the impedance. Please clarify the notation.
- [Appendix A, Eq. (A.8) and Appendix C, Eq. (C.7)] In Eqs. (A.8) and (C.7), the two logarithmic terms are written identically, which appears to be a typo; presumably one refers to the electrode-surface value and the other to the electrode-average value of the electrolyte concentration. Please correct the expressions.
- [Sec. 5.2] The time-scale ranges are described as approximate, but the overlap between particle and electrolyte diffusion time-scales (τd+ = 6812 s, τe+ = 409 s) is large; a brief discussion of how this overlap affects the interpretation of the diffusion 'bump' would improve the section.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the numerical impedance method is benchmarked against an independent brute-force simulation, and the measured-data validation uses a drive cycle not used in fitting.
full rationale
The paper's central derivation is self-contained and externally checked. The frequency-domain automatic-differentiation impedance is validated against brute-force time-domain simulation of the same model (Sec. 3), which is an independent numerical implementation of the measurement procedure rather than a circular target. The grouped-parameter SPMe is fully re-derived in Appendix C and verified to reproduce PyBaMM's native SPMe, so the citations for grouping and double-layer capacitance are corroboration, not load-bearing. The diffusion-tail dependence on OCP slope (Eq. 15) is also derived in Appendix D, not merely imported from the cited works. The simulation-to-simulation parameter estimation uses known true parameters, and the measured-data fitting is validated on a drive cycle (Sec. 7.3) that was not used in fitting. The paper's own limitation about poor low-frequency fits and OCP hysteresis (Sec. 7.2) identifies a data/model mismatch and identifiability risk, but it is not a circular reduction: the OCP curves are external inputs, and the fitted diffusion and stoichiometry parameters are not being used to define the target impedance. No fitted quantity is renamed as a prediction, and no self-citation carries the load of the central claims.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (18)
- tau_d+ (positive particle diffusion timescale) =
8953 s
- tau_d- (negative particle diffusion timescale) =
7974 s
- tau_e+ (positive electrolyte diffusion timescale) =
100 s (clipped at lower bound)
- tau_e- (negative electrolyte diffusion timescale) =
100 s (clipped at lower bound)
- tau_e_sep (separator electrolyte diffusion timescale) =
100 s (clipped at lower bound)
- zeta+ (positive relative porosity) =
1.70 (clipped at upper bound)
- zeta- (negative relative porosity) =
1.70 (clipped at upper bound)
- Qe (reference electrolyte capacity) =
2000 As (clipped at upper bound)
- tau_ct+ (positive charge transfer timescale) =
1087 s
- tau_ct- (negative charge transfer timescale) =
1515 s
- C+ (positive double-layer capacitance) =
2 F (clipped at upper bound)
- C- (negative double-layer capacitance) =
0.532 F
- c0%+ (positive stoichiometry at 0% SOC) =
0.983
- c0%- (negative stoichiometry at 0% SOC) =
0.0015
- c100%+ (positive stoichiometry at 100% SOC) =
0.190
- c100%- (negative stoichiometry at 100% SOC) =
0.886
- t+ (cation transference number) =
0.70 (clipped at upper bound)
- R0 (series resistance) =
14.5 mOhm
assumptions (5)
- standard math Taylor linearization and Fourier transformation of the DAE system (B.9)-(B.10) are valid for small perturbations around a stationary operating point.
- domain assumption The SPMe with double-layer capacitance and Butler-Volmer kinetics, with OCPs from half-cell measurements, is a sufficient model for the LG M50LT cell.
- ad hoc to paper 10% and 90% SOC measured EIS are excluded from fitting because they were hard to fit.
- domain assumption Relative electrode thicknesses l+ and l- are assumed known and fixed during estimation.
- domain assumption The optimisation bounds and 1000 iterations of particle swarm optimisation are sufficient to recover the global optimum.
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Non-invasive parametrisation of physics-based battery models can be performed by fitting the model to electrochemical impedance spectroscopy (EIS) data containing features related to the different physical processes. However, this requires an impedance model to be derived, which may be complex to obtain analytically. We have developed the open-source software PyBaMM-EIS that provides a fast method to compute the impedance of any PyBaMM model at any operating point using automatic differentiation. Using PyBaMM-EIS, we investigate the impedance of the single particle model, single particle model with electrolyte (SPMe), and Doyle-Fuller-Newman model, and identify the SPMe as a parsimonious option that shows the typical features of measured lithium-ion cell impedance data. We provide a grouped parameter SPMe and analyse the features in the impedance related to each parameter. Using the open-source software PyBOP, we estimate 18 grouped parameters both from simulated impedance data and from measured impedance data from a LG M50LT lithium-ion battery. The parameters that directly affect the response of the SPMe can be accurately determined and assigned to the correct electrode. Crucially, parameter fitting must be done simultaneously to data across a wide range of states-of-charge. Overall, this work presents a practical way to find the parameters of physics-based models.
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