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Non-ergodicity for the noisy majority vote process on trees

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Pith's one-line read The noisy majority vote process on the infinite d-regular tree is non-ergodic for every d ≥ 3 and small enough noise: starting from all plus, any fixed vertex stays plus with probability uniformly above 1/2.

desk verdict Solid new proof for d=3,4 non-ergodicity on trees; the only real gap is a standard compactness step that the authors should spell out. read the letter →

arxiv 2501.16202 v1 pith:S6N7TAGJ submitted 2025-01-27 math.PR

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The paper proves that on the infinite d-regular tree with d ≥ 3, the noisy majority vote process is non-ergodic: for small enough noise there are multiple equilibrium measures, not a unique one. Previous work had settled d ≥ 5 and d = 2 (where the equilibrium is unique); this closes d = 3 and 4 and covers all higher degrees. The proof works by comparing the process to a 'minus biased' variant and showing that, starting from all plus, the chance any fixed vertex is minus at any time stays below a constant strictly less than 1/2. That uniform bound is what forces the existence of multiple equilibrium measures.

What carries the argument

The argument is an induction on time using update histories, in which past minus vertices responsible for a current minus cluster are traced backward. The load-bearing identity is Lemma 2.15: for an odd cluster $A$ and a minimal set $B$ of even vertices that can vote it down, $\xi^*(A,B) + |\Prr(A,B)| \le |B| - r$, where $r$ is the number of connected components of $B$, $\Prr(A,B)$ is the set of vertices of $A$ with at least two neighbors in $B$, and $\xi^*$ counts single and double trifurcations with weight $p-2$. This inequality produces the extra $\epsilon^{\xi^*}$ factor that lets the induction close in the single-cluster case. Two enumeration lemmas bound the number of possible past configurations by reducing each cluster to its depth-first-search order and recording capacities of black and white components; together these turn the probability estimate into a convergent counting problem.

What would settle it

Test Lemma 2.15 directly on a small example: take an odd cluster $A$ in $\mathbb{T}_3$ and enumerate all minimal even sets $B$ with $\Prr(A,B) \neq \emptyset$; any instance with $\xi^*(A,B)+|\Prr(A,B)| > |B|-r$ would refute the lemma. Alternatively, for $d=3$ and a small fixed $\epsilon$, compute the supremum over $t$ of $\mathbb{P}(\sigma_v(t)=-1)$ starting from all plus; a value at or above $1/2$ would falsify Theorem 1.2.

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Core claim

The central claim is Theorem 1.1: for every $d \ge 3$ there is an $\epsilon_0(d) > 0$ such that for $0 < \epsilon \le \epsilon_0$ the noisy majority vote process on $\mathbb{T}_d$ is not ergodic. The engine is Theorem 1.2, which shows for the minus biased vote process -- a dominated variant where a vertex turns minus if at least two neighbors are minus or a noise event occurs -- that $\mathbb{P}(\sigma_v(t) = -1) \le c < 0.5$ for every vertex $v$ and every time $t$, with $c$ depending only on $d$. Since the original noisy majority vote process dominates this minus biased process, the same uniform upper bound holds for the original process. The proof is an induction on time over the probability that a collection of vertices is minus, and the induction closes because a key combinatorial inequality supplies an extra factor of $\epsilon$ small enough to absorb all counting constants.

Load-bearing premise

The entire induction rests on Lemma 2.15's tree-specific inequality, which says that for a minimal set $B$ of past minus votes against an odd cluster $A$, the weighted count of branching vertices plus the number of $A$-vertices with two or more neighbors in $B$ is at most $|B|$ minus the number of connected components of $B$.

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If this is right

  • For every $d \ge 3$ there is a positive-noise window in which the noisy majority vote process on $\mathbb{T}_d$ has multiple equilibrium measures, with the all-plus initial configuration retaining a strict plus bias in the limit.
  • The remaining open regular-tree cases $d = 3$ and $d = 4$ are closed, matching the known $d \ge 5$ result and the $d = 2$ unique-equilibrium result.
  • Because the original process dominates the minus biased process, the uniform minus-probability bound transfers directly, so the conclusion concerns the original noisy majority vote dynamics and not only the auxiliary variant.
  • The same uniform bound holds for any infinite tree of maximal degree $d$, giving a quantitative statement beyond regular trees.
  • The ergodic/non-ergodic threshold in degree is thereby pinned between $d=2$ and $d=3$: unique equilibrium on the line, multiple equilibria on $\mathbb{T}_d$ for all $d \ge 3$.

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  • A natural testable extension the authors do not pursue is locating the actual noise threshold $\epsilon_d$ on $\mathbb{T}_3$; the proof gives an explicit but extremely small lower bound, and simulation could show the true threshold is far larger.
  • The tree-specific inequality in Lemma 2.15 should extend to any infinite tree with minimum degree at least 3, even without regularity, which would upgrade Theorem 1.3 into a non-ergodicity statement for all such trees.
  • The trifurcation-counting mechanism is likely portable to other monotone noisy consensus rules on trees, where 'at least two minus neighbors' is replaced by 'at least $k$ minus neighbors', by adapting the weight $p-2$ in the definition of $\xi^*$.
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Summary. The paper proves that the noisy majority vote process on the infinite d-regular tree T_d is not ergodic for every d≥3 and sufficiently small noise ε, extending Bramson and Gray's earlier result for d≥5. The main technical result is Theorem 1.2: for the dominated "minus biased" process started from all plus, P(σ_v(t)=-1)≤c<1/2 uniformly in v and t. This is obtained through the inductive bound in Theorem 2.8, whose proof is carried by explicit combinatorial estimates and enumeration lemmas (notably Lemmas 2.15, 2.21, 2.22). The paper asserts that Theorem 1.1 follows from Theorem 1.2 by domination, and that a version for arbitrary trees of maximal degree d (Theorem 1.3) follows similarly.

Significance. If correct, the result closes the d=3,4 gap for a natural opinion-formation model on trees and provides a genuinely new proof strategy. The core induction is detailed, self-contained, and does not rely on the authors' prior results or on numerically fitted parameters; the constants c1,c2,c3 are chosen after the estimates are derived, and the central closing inequality (2.19) and the multi-cluster bound (2.45) are explicit. The main weakness is not in the induction itself but in the transition from the one-point bound to the advertised non-ergodicity conclusion, which is currently asserted rather than proved. That transition is a standard compactness argument and is readily fixable.

major comments (1)
  1. [Section 1.4, paragraph after Theorem 1.2] The assertion that Theorem 1.1 follows from Theorem 1.2 directly is incomplete. Theorem 1.2 is a uniform bound on one-point marginals at finite times, whereas non-ergodicity means the existence of at least two distinct invariant measures. A compactness step is required and should be written out. Since {−1,1}^V is compact and the process is Feller, the Cesàro means (1/T)Σ_{t=0}^{T-1} P(σ(t) ∈ ·) starting from the all-plus configuration have a subsequential limit μ_+; any such limit is invariant, and the bound P(σ_v(t)=-1)≤c passes to the limit, giving μ_+(σ_v=-1)≤c. Starting from the all-minus configuration and using global spin-flip symmetry yields an invariant measure μ_- with μ_-(σ_v=-1)≥1-c>1/2, so μ_+ and μ_- are distinct. Without this argument the advertised conclusion of non-ergodicity is not proved.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Section 1.3] The statement that "the probability of a vertex being 1 has a limit strictly bigger than 1/2, as t→∞" is stronger than what is established: Theorem 1.2 gives only a uniform upper bound away from 1/2 for all t, not convergence. Please rephrase this as a bound on liminf or as a uniform-in-time bound, and note that convergence is not needed for Theorem 1.1.
  2. [Section 1.4, Theorem 1.3] The sentence "the minus biased vote process on T dominates the minus biased vote process on T_d" appears to have the domination direction reversed: a tree of maximal degree d has no more neighbors at each vertex than T_d, so fewer minus votes are available and the process on T is dominated by, rather than dominates, the process on T_d. The claimed conclusion is still correct, but the wording should be fixed.
  3. [Section 2.3, first paragraph] The sentence "Our goal is to bound the probability that σ_v(T)=1 for all v∈A" should read σ_v(T)=-1; the surrounding computation works with the event that A is updated to all minuses.
  4. [Lemma 2.24] Lemma 2.24 states the bounds for "any r1,r2≥0", but the quantity F(r1,r2) is defined by binomial coefficients (m_i−1 choose r_i−1) and is used only for r1+r2≥1. Please state the quantifier as r1+r2≥1 to avoid division by zero in the binomial convention.
  5. [Equation (2.19)] The geometric-series simplification leading to (2.19) requires explicit smallness conditions such as 32(d−1)^2 ε<1 and 16(d−1)^2 ε<1; it would help to state these before the formula rather than only saying "ε small enough" afterwards.

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No significant circularity: the proof is a self-contained induction with constants chosen after the estimates and no load-bearing self-citation.

full rationale

The paper's central derivation is a self-contained inductive bound. Theorem 2.8 postulates inequality (2.1) for arbitrary odd clusters A, verifies it at t=1 from the all-plus initial condition, and propagates it through the update-history decomposition (2.2), the minimal-set reduction Lemma 2.11, the combinatorial Lemma 2.15 giving the extra epsilon^{xi*} factor, and the enumeration bounds Lemmas 2.21 and 2.22. The constants c1, c2, c3 are chosen only after the estimates are derived (see the ends of Sections 2.3 and 2.5), depend only on d, and are not fitted to the quantity being bounded; this is the opposite of a fitted-input-called-prediction structure. No step imports a uniqueness theorem or an ansatz from the authors' prior work: references [12] and [26] are external results used for context or comparison, and the paper's own earlier papers appear only in the related-works survey, not in the proof. The induction hypothesis is a proposition to be established, not an assumption containing the conclusion. The terse claim that Theorem 1.1 follows from Theorem 1.2 'directly' via domination omits the standard compactness argument passing the one-point bound to Cesaro limits of finite-time laws, but an omitted proof step is a correctness or exposition concern, not a circular reduction: Theorem 1.1 is not equivalent by construction to Theorem 1.2, and the bound is proved independently of the non-ergodicity conclusion. Accordingly, no circular step is exhibited, and the honest finding is score 0.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 3 assumptions · 0 invented entities

Pure mathematics paper with no empirical fitting. The constants c1,c2,c3 are proof variables, not empirical degrees of freedom; they are listed because the schema requests chosen-by-hand numbers. The auxiliary minus biased process is a proof device, not an invented physical entity.

free parameters (3)
  • c1 = > 8(d-1)^2 (chosen in Section 2.4)
    Induction constant that absorbs the low-order error terms in the k=1 estimate (2.19). It is chosen by hand, not fitted to data.
  • c2 = ≥ (d-1)^{2(d+6)} c3 (chosen in Section 2.4)
    Weights single trifurcations in the induction hypothesis (2.1); chosen after the enumeration bounds.
  • c3 = ≥ (d-1)^{2(d+6)} (chosen in Section 2.4)
    Weights double trifurcations in (2.1); chosen after the enumeration bounds.
assumptions (3)
  • domain assumption The infinite d-regular tree T_d is bipartite, so odd and even vertices update alternately.
    Used throughout Section 2 to reduce to collections of odd (or even) points in the induction.
  • standard math The spin configuration space {−1,1}^V is compact and the process is Feller, so Cesàro subsequential limits are invariant measures.
    Needed to pass from the uniform bound in Theorem 1.2 to distinct equilibrium measures; not explicitly stated in Section 1.3.
  • domain assumption The noisy majority process started at all plus dominates the minus biased process in the stochastic order.
    Asserted in Section 1.4 and used to transfer Theorem 1.2 to Theorem 1.1; a standard monotone coupling.

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  title        = {Pith review of: Non-ergodicity for the noisy majority vote process on trees},
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abstract

We consider the noisy majority vote process on infinite regular trees with degree $d\geq 3$, and we prove the non-ergodicity, i.e., there exist multiple equilibrium measures. Our work extends a result of Bramson and Gray (2021) for $d\geq 5$.

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Figure 1. Illustrations of single and double trifurcations. Red point: a type 3 single trifurcation. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. An illustration for induced relation. Green points: the odd cluster [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. An illustration of double trifurcations in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: An illustration of GA and G∗ A. The vertices with red boundaries: odd vertices. The vertices with black boundaries: even vertices. The numbers near the vertices are their orders in G∗ A. The green lines: the edges between a branching vertex and its far neighbor [PITH_…
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Figure 5. Figure 5: An illustration of G˜A. The blue lines: the edges that are not in G∗ A. Proof. Let p ≥ 3. For each degree p vertex x ∈ G∗ A, since the orders of x and y s x are not consecutive, they are not neighbors in G˜A; since y s x and z s x have neighboring orders, they are neig…
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Figure 6. Figure 6: An illustration of the graph GA in Proposition 3.11. Dashed lines: undrawn parts of the graph GA. Lemma 3.16. Let A be an odd cluster with n vertices. Let r, m, r1, r2, m1, m2 be non-negative integers. Then we have 1 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p025_6.png]
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Figure 7. Figure 7: An illustration of H∗ and H∗ C where GA and C are given in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p027_7.png]
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Figure 8. Figure 8: An illustration of the graph H∗ C |J′ in Lemma 3.23. (a) Case 1 (b) Case 2 (c) Case 3 (d) Case 4 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p028_8.png]
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Figure 9. Figure 9: An illustration of the graph Glx,ly in Lemma 3.23. Lemma 3.23. Let C = (C1, · · · , Cr) be a sequence of disjoint odd clusters. We can recover ψ5(C) from ψ4(C) and ψˆ 5(C). 28 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p028_9.png]

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