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GeoMM: On Geodesic Perspective for Multi-modal Learning

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Pith's one-line read Replacing cosine distance with graph geodesic distance improves contrastive vision-language pre-training.

desk verdict Solid experiments but the geodesic loss as described cannot deliver the gradients the authors claim; the paper needs a detailed forward/backward or code before the results can be attributed to the mechanism. read the letter →

arxiv 2505.11216 v1 pith:EKXTSEJZ submitted 2025-05-16 cs.CV

classification cs.CV
keywords geodesicdistancemulti-modallearningcontrastivevision-languagepre-traininghierarchicalgraphshortestpathnegativesampleminingmomentumfeaturequeue
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The reading

Geodesic distance measures separation along a curved space, and multimodal embeddings often live in such a space; the standard cosine similarity measures only a pairwise angle and can call two sentences similar when they mean different things. The paper's claim is that replacing cosine with geodesic distance, computed as shortest paths over a graph of the current sample pool, gives contrastive vision-language pre-training a more faithful notion of sample relatedness. It constructs a hierarchical graph over the momentum feature queue, connects points to cluster centers and cluster centers to their nearest neighbors, and inserts the shortest-path distance into the InfoNCE loss. Across image-text retrieval, VQA, NLVR2, visual entailment, and visual grounding, the geodesic versions of the base models consistently outperform their cosine counterparts, with fine-tuned COCO text retrieval R@1 rising from 78.0 to 79.3. A sympathetic reader should take the paper as establishing that the global topology of the feature pool is a usable and beneficial metric signal for multimodal contrastive learning.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing object is the hierarchical geodesic distance: a graph-distance oracle over the momentum feature queue, built as a two-level hierarchy in which each bottom-level point attaches to a K-means cluster center and cluster centers connect to their eight nearest neighbors; the geodesic distance between two samples is the trivial distance to the nearest cluster center plus the Floyd shortest path between centers, propagated up the hierarchy until the two points share a cluster. The distance is converted into a loss input by angle normalization: the accumulated angular path is truncated at $4\pi$, scaled to $[0,\pi]$, and mapped through cosine. This machinery makes distance depend on the entire sample pool rather than on a pair of points alone, and it does so at a computational cost that fits inside a large-queue contrastive training loop, with the graph fully rebuilt every 100 iterations and incrementally updated in between.

What would settle it

Train the same model with a control in which the geodesic distances are computed exactly as described but treated as fixed constants inside the loss, detached from the learning signal, and compare with the full method; if the detached control reproduces the reported R@1 gains, the improvement is not being driven by the geodesic geometry steering the encoders, and the central claim's mechanism is falsified. A second control that replaces the geodesic distances with distances along a randomly rewired graph with identical edge counts would isolate the topology content of the signal.

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Core claim

The central discovery the paper argues for is a metric substitution: in the image-text contrastive loss, replace the cosine similarity between a query feature and the momentum feature queue with a geodesic distance defined on the queue's graph. The graph is built by connecting each point to its nearest neighbors; distances are shortest paths through this graph, so a query is close to a candidate only if the data manifold itself connects them through intermediate samples. This resolves a failure mode of pairwise metrics: two sentences can have near-identical word-level embeddings yet sit on different parts of the semantic manifold, and only a global, path-based distance reveals that. To keep the computation feasible at a queue size of 65,536, the paper proposes a two-layer hierarchical graph, with K-means clusters at the bottom and cluster centers connected in a k-nearest-neighbor graph at the top, using Floyd shortest paths between centers and incremental updates every 100 iterations. The accumulated path angle is truncated at $4\pi$, normalized to $[0,\pi]$, and mapped through the cosine function before the InfoNCE loss. The reported results across five downstream tasks support the claim that this substitution, not any architectural change, is what drives the improvement.

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that the loss remains trainable: the paper computes the contrastive loss from geodesic distances that are outputs of a shortest-path algorithm on a discrete graph, and it never specifies how those distances change as the model's parameters change, so if they behave as fixed constants during training, the claimed improvement would not follow from the described mechanism.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • On the fine-tuned COCO benchmark, text retrieval R@1 rises from 78.0 for the cosine-based baseline to 79.3 for the geodesic version, and image retrieval rises from 61.2 to 62.5; Flickr30K moves similarly.
  • The metric swap transfers beyond the main baselines: zero-shot COCO retrieval improves when geodesic distance is added to other large-scale image-text contrastive models, and ImageNet linear classification improves for instance-discrimination self-supervised models.
  • Because the geodesic distance is global, it should reduce false negatives: samples that look alike in isolation but lie on different semantic paths remain far apart, so contrastive learning can mine harder, more reliable negatives.
  • The computational overhead is modest: for the base architecture, peak CUDA memory rises from 25.3G to 25.9G and per-100-iteration time from 255s to 268s.
  • The gains extend to reasoning tasks: VQA test-dev rises from 75.55 to 76.04, NLVR2 test-P from 80.96 to 81.63, and SNLI-VE val from 80.79 to 81.42 relative to the cosine-based baseline.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • One step beyond the paper: if geodesic distance helps because it encodes pool topology, the benefit should grow with queue size and sample-pool diversity; a testable extension would sweep queue sizes and measure whether the gap over cosine widens, whereas the paper fixes the queue at 65,536.
  • Another testable extension: because the graph is rebuilt only every 100 iterations and otherwise updated incrementally, the metric deliberately lags behind the moving encoders, and that slow-moving-target effect could itself be a regularizer independent of the geodesic geometry; a control that recomputes the graph every step or freezes it entirely would separate the two contributions.
  • The paper's theorems bound the number and scale of connected components per layer, so unreachable sample pairs, whose distance is set to infinity, are expected under the hierarchy; a reader could infer that part of the gains may come from this implicit filtering of easy negatives rather than from the path lengths themselves.
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Summary. The paper proposes GeoMM, a modification of contrastive vision-language pre-training that replaces cosine distance in the image-text contrastive (ITC) loss with a geodesic distance computed on a hierarchical graph of momentum features. The authors construct a two-level K-Means graph over a 65,536-entry feature queue, compute shortest-path distances between cluster centers with Floyd-Warshall, decompose out-of-graph query distances through the nearest bottom-level cluster center, and update the structure every 100 iterations. Experiments on ALBEF, TCL, and MAFA report consistent gains on image-text retrieval, VQA, NLVR2, SNLI-VE, and RefCOCO+, plus additional results on CLIP, FLIP, MOCOv2, and SwAV. The paper also states two theorems about connected-component counts in the hierarchical graph.

Significance. If the training mechanism were fully specified and the gains reproducible, the paper would make a useful contribution: it introduces a topological, graph-based distance into contrastive multimodal pre-training and demonstrates consistent improvements across multiple backbones and downstream tasks with modest computational overhead. The experimental coverage (zero-shot and fine-tuned retrieval, VQA, NLVR2, SNLI-VE, grounding, generalization to four other methods) is a genuine strength, and the efficiency analysis in Table 6 is useful. However, the significance is currently conditional: the central mechanism, gradient flow through geodesic distances, is not described, and several definitions are imprecise, so the paper does not yet establish why the reported gains should be attributed to the geodesic distance.

major comments (4)
  1. [Sec. 3.4-3.5, Algorithm 2] The central claim of the paper is that replacing cosine distance with the proposed geodesic distance in the contrastive loss accounts for the reported performance gains. As written, however, the algorithm cannot deliver gradients from that loss to the image and text encoders. The geodesic distances used in line 10 are produced by the Floyd shortest-path computation on a discrete graph (lines 3-5) and by the nearest-bottom-level-cluster-center decomposition of Eq. (3); both are piecewise-constant functions of the encoder features and have zero derivative almost everywhere. The paper does not specify a straight-through estimator, a soft cluster assignment, a detached-distance reweighting scheme, or any other differentiable surrogate, and the Numba/CUDA Floyd implementation described in Sec. 3.5 is not differentiable as written. If the distances are treated as constants when computing the InfoNCE loss in line 12, the logits are constants and the gradient with respect to theta is zero, so the described procedure cannot pull paired representations closer via the geodesic geometry. If instead one backpropagates through the discrete operations, the gradients vanish almost everywhere. In either case, the reported improvements are not explained by the described training mechanism, and the paper cannot be evaluated for correctness until this step is specified and, ideally, ablated (e.g., geodesic with straight-through gradient versus geodesic with detached distances versus cosine baseline).
  2. [Sec. 3.3, Eq. (2)] Equation (2) is self-referential and cannot be evaluated as printed: the right-hand side of the recursion for d(xi, C^k(xi)) contains d(xi, C^k(xi)) itself, so the distance from a point to its own cluster center is defined in terms of itself. The intended recursion presumably replaces that term with a distance to the next-level center (e.g., d(xi, C^{k+1}(xi))), but as printed the hierarchical geodesic distance computation is ill-defined. Please correct the formula and include a concrete two-layer example that traces the distance computation for one pair of points.
  3. [Sec. 3.6, Theorems 1-2 and unreachable pairs] Theorems 1 and 2 bound the number and size of connected components of the hierarchical graph, but the text's conclusion that these bounds 'imply the rationality of computing geodesic distance' does not follow: a bound on component structure says nothing about whether shortest-path distances on this graph are a good proxy for semantic similarity. More concretely, the implementation sets unreachable pairs to infinity, and if the graph has many connected components, a large fraction of candidate negatives may be excluded from the contrastive loss; the effective number of negatives then differs from the cosine baseline and varies during training. Please report the average fraction of reachable pairs in the graph during pre-training and specify exactly how infinite distances are handled in the angle-normalization and InfoNCE steps (e.g., masking). This is needed to confirm that the comparison with the cosine baseline is not confounded by a change in the number of negatives.
  4. [Sec. 4.5, Table 7] The hyperparameter analysis does not appear to test the pre-training procedure it is meant to justify. The text says that the authors 'use pre-training models without geodesic distance and only fine-tuned using different hyper-parameters for the image-text retrieval,' but ncluster, the number of neighbors, the number of graph layers, and the update period T0 are all hyperparameters of the geodesic module during pre-training. Varying them only at fine-tuning time cannot establish that the proposed pre-training is insensitive to them. Please clarify what was actually varied; if the ablations did not rerun pre-training, they should be rerun for the most consequential parameters (neighbor count and T0), since the headline comparisons in Tables 1-3 use models pre-trained with specific values of these parameters.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Sec. 3.4] The angle-normalization description is ambiguous: truncating the accumulated angle at 4*pi and then normalizing to [0, pi] is not a standard normalization and changes the scale of the distance; please give the exact formula and define how the cosine is applied to the normalized value.
  2. [Sec. 3.6 / Supplementary Sec. 10.1] The notation is inconsistent: Theorem 1 in the main text uses sigma for the number of neighbors, while the proof in the supplement uses kappa, and Eq. (4) has an unbalanced parenthesis; please unify the symbols and typeset the formula correctly.
  3. [Sec. 4.4] The one-epoch fine-tuning protocol for CLIP_FT and FLIP_FT is unconventional and the margins in Table 4 are small; please report the exact protocol, including whether the baselines were fine-tuned for the same number of steps and with the same data order, and report variance across seeds if available.
  4. [Sec. 2.2] The claim that this paper introduces geodesic distance to multimodal learning 'for the first time' should be qualified in light of GraphWalk [75], which proposes a differentiable geodesic distance estimator, and of prior graph-based contrastive methods; a sentence explaining the difference would help.
  5. [Fig. 1] The caption reports cosine and geodesic values that appear to mix similarity and distance scales (0.87 vs 0.24, 0.93 vs 0.91); please clarify whether the numbers are distances or similarities and what the axes of the figure represent.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the geodesic-distance claim is tested on external downstream benchmarks and is not derived from its own inputs.

full rationale

The paper's central claim, that replacing cosine distance with a hierarchical-graph geodesic distance in the contrastive loss improves vision-language pre-training, is evaluated on external benchmarks (COCO and Flickr30K retrieval, VQA, NLVR2, SNLI-VE, RefCOCO+) and is not obtained by construction from the loss definition. The geodesic distance is built from cosine trivial distances plus Floyd shortest paths on a hierarchical graph, but it is not defined in terms of the retrieval metrics, and no retrieval labels are used to fit the graph. Hyperparameter choices in Sec. 4.5 are tuned on COCO fine-tuned retrieval, which overlaps with a headline benchmark; this is a disclosed tuning concern that may inflate results, but it is not a by-construction equivalence, since the encoders must still be trained through the pre-training objectives. The paper's self-citations (refs 58-62) are contextual and support general contrastive-learning and symmetry claims; no load-bearing argument reduces to them, and no uniqueness theorem is imported from the authors' prior work. The main manuscript-level weakness, which a skeptical reader identifies, is that Algorithm 2 does not specify a differentiable surrogate, straight-through estimator, or detached-distance weighting for the Floyd shortest-path and nearest-cluster argmin operations, so the gradient path to the encoders is unclear; this is a correctness or reproducibility risk rather than a circularity risk. No step in the derivation defines the claimed output in terms of the inputs, renames a fitted parameter as a prediction, or smuggles the key ansatz in via self-citation. Therefore no significant circularity is found.

Assumptions & free parameters 7 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central method relies on the queue as a manifold proxy, a locally flat cosine geometry with several tuned constants, and an untested filtering rule for unreachable pairs. No novel physical or mathematical entities are introduced.

free parameters (7)
  • delta in simple manifold assumption (Def. 2) = sqrt(d), d = 256
    Threshold that decides when local neighborhoods are flat enough to use cosine as the trivial metric; chosen in Section 3.5, not derived.
  • number of K-Means cluster centers ncluster = 256
    Selected via retrieval ablation in Table 7(b); 256 gives the best text retrieval R@1 on COCO.
  • number of graph neighbors per cluster center = 8
    Selected via ablation in Table 7(c); values from 6 to 12 all perform similarly.
  • hierarchical graph layers = 2
    Selected via ablation in Table 7(a); deeper layers add time without improving accuracy.
  • graph update period T0 = 100 training steps
    Selected via ablation in Table 7(d); 75 to 125 steps are similar.
  • angle truncation threshold = 4*pi
    Truncates the accumulated geodesic angle before normalization; chosen in Section 3.5 without an ablation.
  • feature queue size = 65536
    Inherited from ALBEF and TCL; it affects graph density and computational cost but is not independently tuned.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption The feature queue provides a sample pool dense enough that a kNN graph approximates the underlying data manifold.
    Section 3.1 uses the queue as the reference frame for all distances; if density is insufficient, shortest-path distances become arbitrary.
  • ad hoc to paper Simple Manifold Assumption (Def. 2): within local neighborhoods, the geodesic distance differs from cosine distance by less than delta.
    Definition 2 and Section 3.3 justify replacing local geodesic edges with cosine; this is not verified on data.
  • domain assumption Clustering recursion reaches a bottom layer where each cluster satisfies the simple manifold assumption.
    Section 3.3 assumes bottom-layer clusters are small enough for a trivial metric; if not, Equation 2 degrades.
  • domain assumption The momentum feature queue is stable enough that a graph rebuilt every T0 steps remains valid for distances computed in between.
    Section 3.3 Q3 introduces periodic reconstruction but gives no analysis of drift between reconstructions.
  • ad hoc to paper Unreachable pairs in the graph can be safely treated as very distant negatives.
    Section 3.6 says unreachable pairs are set to infinity to filter overly simple negatives; this changes the loss and is not derived.

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Geodesic distance serves as a reliable means of measuring distance in nonlinear spaces, and such nonlinear manifolds are prevalent in the current multimodal learning. In these scenarios, some samples may exhibit high similarity, yet they convey different semantics, making traditional distance metrics inadequate for distinguishing between positive and negative samples. This paper introduces geodesic distance as a novel distance metric in multi-modal learning for the first time, to mine correlations between samples, aiming to address the limitations of common distance metric. Our approach incorporates a comprehensive series of strategies to adapt geodesic distance for the current multimodal learning. Specifically, we construct a graph structure to represent the adjacency relationships among samples by thresholding distances between them and then apply the shortest-path algorithm to obtain geodesic distance within this graph. To facilitate efficient computation, we further propose a hierarchical graph structure through clustering and combined with incremental update strategies for dynamic status updates. Extensive experiments across various downstream tasks validate the effectiveness of our proposed method, demonstrating its capability to capture complex relationships between samples and improve the performance of multimodal learning models.

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Figure 1. The motivation of leveraging geodesic metric. Based [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p001_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. An overview of our proposed hierarchical graph struc [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Visual grounding visualization (left) and performance of weakly-supervised visual grounding on RefCOCO+ (right). [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗

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