REVIEW 4 major objections 5 minor 64 references
Longtime Monitoring of TeV Radio Galaxies with HAWC
T0 review · 4 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-06 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Over 7.5 years of monitoring, the radio galaxy M87 is detected at 5.21 sigma in TeV gamma rays, with a power-law spectrum extending to 26.5 TeV—the first low-activity-state emission above 10 TeV.
desk verdict A real 5-sigma M87 detection and a useful long-baseline TeV spectrum sit inside a monitoring paper whose variability claims are largely artifacts of a 2-sigma selection cut. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The central object is a set of daily, weekly, and monthly light curves combined with a cumulative-significance growth curve, all computed from PASS 5 reconstructed wide-field data under a point-source hypothesis with a power-law spectral model corrected for extragalactic background light. This machinery converts the long, high-duty-cycle dataset into a detection significance, an integrated spectrum, a maximum-energy estimate, and a temporal picture of when each galaxy's emission rose above the 2-sigma threshold. The cumulative-significance curve, compared with the Crab Nebula and Markarian 421, is what carries the argument that radio galaxies behave like variable active galaxies rather than steady sources.
What would settle it
Recompute the daily M87 fluxes with the same point-source power-law hypothesis used for the integrated spectrum, without omitting sub-2-sigma points, and compare the exposure-weighted mean daily flux to the fitted normalization; if the discrepancy persists, the light-curve-based onset claims are not supported. A separate check would test whether the 26.5 TeV photons survive a stricter event selection.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that, over 2141 days of nearly uninterrupted monitoring, M87 is detected in TeV gamma rays with a significance of 5.21 $\sigma$, and its integrated spectrum is a power law with $\alpha = 2.53 \pm 0.29$ and normalization $(7.09 \pm 1.24)\times10^{-13}\,\mathrm{cm^{-2}\,s^{-1}\,TeV^{-1}}$ at 1 TeV. The maximum photon energy reaches 26.5 TeV at the 1 $\sigma$ level and 15.6 TeV at the 3 $\sigma$ level, and the authors state this is the first time emission above 10 TeV has been seen from M87 in a low-activity state; previously such energies appeared only during the 2005 flare. They further claim that 3C 264 is marginally detected at 3.99 $\sigma$, that NGC 1275 and IC 310 are not detected, that weekly light curves indicate enhanced steady TeV emission beginning in 2019 for M87 and in 2018 for 3C 264, and that the cumulative significance curves of the four radio galaxies resemble a variable source such as Markarian 421 rather than a steady one like the Crab Nebula.
Load-bearing premise
The variability and onset claims rest on treating only 2-sigma-excess flux points in the light curves as real emission, while the paper itself notes the daily fluxes exceed the integrated long-term spectrum by up to two orders of magnitude; if that mismatch is not resolved, the enhanced-emission interpretation lacks support.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- M87's low-activity state is not dark: it produces photons up to 26.5 TeV, so quiescent radio galaxies can host particle acceleration to tens of TeV, not only during flares.
- The first low-state observation above 10 TeV means that spectral cutoffs inferred from earlier low-state data cannot be assumed to apply at these energies.
- The elongated excess between NGC 1275 and IC 310, if real, points toward IC 310 or the interposed radio galaxy CR 15 rather than NGC 1275, whose spectrum is known to cut off near 400–500 GeV.
- The weekly-scale enhanced emission in M87 from 2019 onward gives a specific time window for multi-messenger follow-up during enhanced states.
- The resemblance to Markarian 421 supports unification schemes in which radio galaxies are misaligned BL Lac objects, implying that continued monitoring should reveal flaring episodes rather than steady emission.
Reading between the lines
- A different reading of the same data is possible once the paper's own caveat is taken seriously: the daily fluxes are up to two orders of magnitude higher than the integrated spectrum, so until that discrepancy is resolved, the claimed onset of enhanced steady emission in 2019/2018 should be treated as tentative.
- The NGC 1275–IC 310 region could be settled by a joint likelihood fit that includes all three candidate sources; if CR 15 contributes, it would become a new TeV-emitting radio galaxy candidate.
- One concrete extension is to compare the enhanced weekly states with contemporaneous neutrino alerts or radio/X-ray jet activity; if correlations appear, radio-galaxy monitoring could become a practical tool for multi-messenger astronomy.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper reports a 2141-day HAWC (PASS 5) monitoring campaign of four TeV-emitting radio galaxies: M87, NGC 1275, 3C 264, and IC 310. The authors find a 5.21σ detection of M87, fit its integrated spectrum with a simple power law of index α = 2.53 ± 0.29 and normalization (7.09 ± 1.24) × 10^-13 cm^-2 s^-1 TeV^-1 at 1 TeV, and estimate a maximum photon energy of 26.5 TeV at 1σ confidence. They report a marginal 3.99σ excess for 3C 264 and no significant detection of NGC 1275 or IC 310. Daily, weekly, and monthly light curves are presented, and the paper interprets an increased number of >2σ flux points starting in 2019 (M87) and 2018 (3C 264) as evidence of enhanced steady TeV emission. The cumulative significance curves are compared with those of the Crab Nebula and Mrk 421 to argue that the radio galaxies behave like a variable gamma-ray source.
Significance. If the M87 detection and spectrum are robust, this is a valuable long-term TeV measurement of a low-state radio galaxy with the largest temporal coverage to date, complementing IACT and LHAASO results. The spectral parameters and the reported >10 TeV reach in a low state would be of genuine interest for jet and particle-acceleration models, and the paper demonstrates HAWC's monitoring capability for extragalactic sources. However, the paper's variability claims rest on a selective light-curve presentation that is not statistically justified, and the cumulative-significance comparison with Mrk 421 is qualitative. The central detection and spectrum may survive revision, but the interpretation as evidence of enhanced steady emission currently does not.
major comments (4)
- [§4, Figures 3–6] The claim that M87 and 3C 264 show 'high flux increments at daily time scales' is unsupported because the light curves display only fluxes with significance greater than 2σ as black points. For a source with a total significance of 5.21σ over 2141 days, the per-day significance of a steady signal is roughly 5.21/√2141 ≈ 0.11σ, so the daily flux uncertainty is about 9 times the average flux. A 2σ threshold therefore selects upward fluctuations of roughly 20 times the long-term average flux, which is exactly the order of magnitude of the reported daily fluxes (≈10^-11 cm^-2 s^-1) compared with the integral of the time-averaged spectrum (≈4.6 × 10^-13 cm^-2 s^-1 above 1 TeV). The selected black points are therefore biased high and cannot be interpreted as evidence of flaring or of enhanced steady emission. The authors should present unbiased light curves that include upper limits and all flux measurements (or at least the gray points with their uncertainties), and quantify variability using a metric such as excess variance or a likelihood-ratio test against a constant-flux model.
- [§4, daily 3C 264 excess] The statement that 3C 264 shows '>70 days' with significance greater than 2σ against an expected '∼59 days' of background fluctuations is not a valid statistical comparison. For a Gaussian background, the probability of a positive 2σ fluctuation is about 2.3% per day, giving an expectation of about 49 days over 2141 days, not 59; moreover, the same selection bias applies to 3C 264 as to M87, since the source is only marginally detected and its per-day flux uncertainty is large. The excess of black points is therefore an artifact of the threshold plus positive fluctuations, not evidence of physical variability. The authors should provide a proper trial-corrected significance calculation using all daily measurements, not only the >2σ subset.
- [§4, Figure 7] The conclusion that the cumulative significance behavior of the radio galaxies 'resembles that of a variable source such as Markarian 421' is not supported by any quantitative test. For a steady source, the cumulative significance is expected to grow approximately as the square root of the observation time, while for a variable source it grows in steps; the plotted curves for faint or non-detected sources are dominated by background fluctuations, so a qualitative resemblance to Mrk 421 is not meaningful. The authors should either provide a statistical measure of the difference between the cumulative-significance curves (e.g., a chi-square or KS-type test against the steady-source hypothesis) or soften this claim.
- [§3 and §5, maximum energy claim] The abstract and conclusions state that this is the first observation of emission above 10 TeV from M87 in a low-activity state, but the evidence presented is the maximum energy 'estimated' as 26.5 TeV at 1σ confidence using the method of Abeysekara et al. (2017c), not a direct detection of significant flux in energy bins above 10 TeV. The authors should clarify whether the 26.5 TeV value comes from a spectral-unfolding or a photon-energy estimator, and should show the energy-binned significance or the number of events above 10 TeV to justify the claim that emission above 10 TeV is actually observed.
minor comments (5)
- [§4] There is a typo in 'This mean that the emission observed from M87 by HAWC is in the 16−26 TeV energy range'; it should be 'This means', and the sentence should more precisely refer to the maximum photon energy rather than the energy range of all detected emission.
- [Table 1] The column header 'Flux at 1 TeV' is misleading for rows with pivot energy E0 = 100 GeV or E0 = 300 GeV; the normalization is at the pivot energy, not at 1 TeV. Please relabel the column or convert all normalizations to a common pivot energy.
- [§3] The spectral fit reports only statistical uncertainties on α and the normalization; the authors should quote the relevant HAWC systematic uncertainties, which typically affect the flux normalization by tens of percent, especially in the context of comparing with IACT measurements.
- [§5] The statement that this is 'the first, uninterrupted very long term TeV monitoring of radio galaxies that is not biased to a particular activity state' is too strong: HAWC's exposure is not continuous at all times and the light-curve presentation is itself biased by the 2σ selection. Please qualify the claim.
- [References] There are duplicate or inconsistent reference entries (e.g., 'Ahnen et al. 2017' appears twice with different author lists) that should be consolidated.
Circularity Check
No circularity: the M87 detection, spectrum, and long-term monitoring are direct forward-modeled measurements whose inputs (spectral hypotheses, calibration methods) come from independent prior work, not from the claimed outputs.
full rationale
This is an observational data-analysis paper, not a derivation chain. The central claims—M87 detected at 5.21 sigma, a power-law spectrum with alpha = 2.53 +/- 0.29 and normalization (7.09 +/- 1.24)e-13 cm^-2 s^-1 TeV^-1, maximum photon energy 26.5 TeV at 1 sigma—are obtained by forward-modeling HAWC event counts against a background model and fitting the resulting excess. No quoted quantity is defined in terms of the claimed result. The spectral hypotheses used to generate significance maps and light curves (SPL for M87, IC 310, 3C 264; PLEC for NGC 1275) are taken from the prior independent IACT observations listed in Table 1 (H.E.S.S., MAGIC, VERITAS), not from a fit to the HAWC output, so the source is not being used to define its own detection model. The methodological citations (Abeysekara et al. 2017b,c,d; Albert et al. 2024) are standard instrument-calibration and statistical procedures and are not load-bearing self-citations. The paper's own observation that the selected daily fluxes are up to two orders of magnitude above the integrated spectrum (Section 4) is a possible selection-bias or normalization inconsistency, but that is a statistical/correctness concern, not a circular one: the >2-sigma display cut is a selection rule, not a fitted parameter renamed as a prediction, and the discrepancy is explicitly reported rather than silently built into the result. No equation in the paper reduces to its own input, and no alternative is ruled out solely by a self-citation. Honest non-finding: no significant circularity.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (1)
- Pivot energy E0 =
12 TeV
assumptions (3)
- domain assumption M87, IC 310, and 3C 264 gamma-ray emission follows a simple power law (Eq. 1); NGC 1275 follows a power law with exponential cutoff (Eq. 2).
- domain assumption EBL attenuation is described by the Franceschini et al. (2008) model.
- domain assumption The sources are point-like for the HAWC analysis.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Longtime Monitoring of TeV Radio Galaxies with HAWC." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/4F3CVWDQ
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abstract
We present the monitoring of the TeV-emitting radio galaxies M87, NGC~1275, 3C~264, and IC~310 with the High Altitude Water Cherenkov Observatory (HAWC) over a period of approximately $7.5$ years. The analysis includes light curves at daily, weekly and monthly time scales for the four sources. We report the detection of gamma-ray emission from M87 with a significance exceeding 5$\sigma$. Due to its significant detection, this work reports the integrated TeV spectrum of M87 from the longest temporal coverage up to date. The source is well described as a point-like source modeled by a power law spectrum with spectral index $\alpha = 2.53\pm0.29$ and a flux of $(7.09\pm 1.24)\times10^{-13}$ $\rm{cm}^{-2}\,{s}^{-1}\,{TeV}^{-1}$ at $1\,\rm{TeV}$. The maximum energy of the detected emission in M87, at 1$\sigma$ confidence level (C.L.), reaches 26.5 TeV. HAWC's observation of M87 reveals a low flux spectrum for the longest observation to date of this radio galaxy. 3C~264 is marginally detected with a significance slightly below 4$\sigma$, while NGC~1275 and IC~310 are not detected. The weekly light curves show an increased number of fluxes above $2\sigma$ for M87 starting in 2019, and for 3C~264 starting in 2018, which can be interpreted as the moment for which these sources start to exhibit an enhanced steady TeV emission. Overall, in the four radio galaxies, the cumulative significance over time indicates a behavior that resembles that of a gamma-ray variable active galaxy, such as the blazar Markarian 421. This supports the importance of monitoring radio galaxies to identify periods of higher activity and flares, enabling further multi-messenger studies.
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