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InPhyRe Discovers: Large Multimodal Models Struggle in Inductive Physical Reasoning
T0 review · 4 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-04 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Large multimodal models fail at inductive physical reasoning: a new benchmark shows they cannot infer physics that contradicts what they learned in training, and what little reasoning they do is driven by language, not vision.
desk verdict A solid new benchmark with a robust language-bias finding, but the 'weak inductive reasoning' claim needs calibration against human/oracle baselines. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The central object is InPhyRe, a synthetic benchmark of collision videos whose trajectories are generated by manually overriding a PyBullet simulation at the moment of collision so that they violate laws such as momentum conservation. Scenarios are grouped into irregular (law-violating) and regular (law-abiding) counterparts, and the key metric is the difference between few-shot accuracy in the irregular scenario and the model's best regular-scenario accuracy; a negative value is interpreted as weak inductive physical reasoning. A second experimental manipulation—exemplars with both video and question-answer pairs versus exemplars with video only—isolates the contribution of language and exp
What would settle it
If human participants, given the same images and three exemplars, showed a similar or larger accuracy drop on the irregular scenarios, the gap would reflect task ambiguity or difficulty rather than a model-specific deficit in inductive physical reasoning.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
InPhyRe is the first visual question-answering benchmark purpose-built to measure inductive physical reasoning in LMMs by confronting them with collision videos that violate real-world physical laws, generated by intervening in a physics simulator. The paper reports three findings from 13 models: (1) LMMs can recite momentum and energy conservation but apply these laws inconsistently even in regular scenarios; (2) when exemplar videos follow laws unseen in training, almost all models show a substantial accuracy drop relative to regular scenarios, indicating weak inductive physical reasoning; and (3) removing question-answer pairs from the exemplars (video-only) cuts accuracy dramatically, sh
Load-bearing premise
The paper assumes that the accuracy gap between irregular and regular scenarios measures inductive physical reasoning—that is, that the regular and irregular versions are matched in all respects except the violated law and that the intended law is uniquely inferable from three exemplars.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- In safety-critical settings where novel physics can occur, an LMM cannot be assumed to adapt from demonstrations; its predictions will default to parametric knowledge.
- Exemplars help LMMs only when they align with the physical laws already encoded in the model's parameters; conflicting demonstrations are not incorporated.
- The language-bias result implies that standard visual-question-answering accuracy can overstate a model's visual understanding; multimodal evaluation should separate textual and visual contributions.
- Instruction tuning as currently practiced does not address this gap; the authors suggest simulation-based feedback signals, similar to reinforcement learning from human feedback, as a direction.
- The same benchmark methodology—impossible or law-violating scenarios—can be applied to other branches of physics beyond mechanics.
Reading between the lines
- The authors do not draw this conclusion, but the irregular-versus-regular gap likely conflates inductive reasoning with task difficulty: if the irregular versions are harder for reasons other than the violated law, part of the drop would appear even in a perfectly inductive agent.
- A testable extension the paper leaves implicit: adding human participants to the same scenarios would calibrate the gap; if humans show a comparable drop, the metric is not measuring model-specific inductive ability.
- One could also vary exemplar count beyond three and provide explicit textual statements of the law to separate failure of visual perception, rule induction, and rule application.
- The observation that larger models show larger language bias suggests that scaling up models may worsen, not fix, the reliance on text, which runs counter to the usual assumption that larger models are more robust reasoners.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper introduces InPhyRe, a synthetic video question-answering benchmark designed to measure inductive physical reasoning in large multimodal models (LMMs). Scenarios depict collision events that either follow or violate universal physical laws such as momentum conservation. Models are evaluated zero-shot and few-shot, with exemplars containing either videos plus question-answer pairs or videos only. The main findings are: (1) LMMs have limited and poorly applied parametric knowledge of physical laws; (2) LMMs show weak inductive physical reasoning when exemplars violate the laws encoded in their parameters; and (3) the observed inductive behavior is driven primarily by language, with visual inputs playing little role. The headline metric is the accuracy gap between irregular and regular scenarios, with negative gaps interpreted as poor inductive physical reasoning.
Significance. If properly validated, InPhyRe would be a valuable benchmark for a question that is both scientifically interesting and practically important: whether LMMs can adapt their physical reasoning to novel or counter-physical environments from a few demonstrations. The paper evaluates a diverse cohort of 13 LMMs, uses a reproducible synthetic generation pipeline, and reports clear, structured accuracy tables. The finding that models often fail when exemplars contradict parametric knowledge, and that performance collapses in video-only settings, is suggestive and worth community attention. However, the strength of the conclusions depends on the validity of the regular–irregular gap as a measure of inductive ability, and on the absence of human/oracle calibration. Those issues are currently unresolved.
major comments (4)
- [§4.4, Fig. 4] The central metric compares every irregular scenario against the best regular scenario accuracy, but for AMC, Red-LMC, Red-Pass, and CC, the 'corresponding regular' is LMC(Reg), despite these scenarios differing in question type (rotation, color-conditional motion, passing-through, shape/object permanence) and visual properties. A negative gap therefore conflates induction failure with task-specific difficulty. To support the claim that 'a negative value indicates poor inductive physical reasoning,' the paper needs per-scenario matched regular controls or some other calibration that controls for task difficulty.
- [§4.4, Table 3] There is no human baseline or oracle calibration for irregular scenarios. The paper asserts in §1 that humans would 'easily adapt' from demonstrations, but this is not tested. Meanwhile, several irregular accuracies are near ceiling (e.g., InternVL3-8B at 94–100% on LMC, Wall, AMC), so the aggregate negative average is not a uniform failure signature. Without a competent-reasoner reference, the absolute irregular accuracies cannot be interpreted as showing weak inductive physical reasoning.
- [§4.5, Fig. 5] In the video-only condition, exemplars include videos plus randomly chosen option letters. In the video-text condition, exemplars include correct question-answer pairs. The comparison therefore varies not only the presence of textual information but also whether the labels are informative. A model may perform worse in the video-only condition because the random labels provide no usable signal, not necessarily because it is visually incapable. A control that keeps labels informative but removes the question text, or another design that separates label informativeness from modality, is needed to support Finding 3.
- [§4.4, Fig. 4] The reported accuracy differences lack confidence intervals or repeated-seed variability. Many entries are small (e.g., -0.20, +0.35, +0.30), and without uncertainty quantification it is hard to distinguish genuine effects from noise. Since each scenario contains around 2000 samples and 13 models are evaluated, paired bootstrap or stratified sampling would be straightforward and should be reported.
minor comments (5)
- [§B.2] The 'zero-shot' setting includes three assistant messages with random option labels. This is a reasonable formatting control, but calling it 'zero-shot' is potentially confusing. Clarify in the main text that random options are used only to enforce a constrained answer format and do not provide task information.
- [§4.4 conclusion] The sentence 'Almost all LMMs showed significant deterioration in performance' uses 'significant' in a non-statistical sense. Recommend replacing with 'substantial' or adding a statistical test.
- [§3] The claim that InPhyRe is 'the first visual question answering benchmark to measure inductive physical reasoning in LMMs' should be softened to 'to our knowledge,' as the paper does not exhaustively survey all recent benchmarks.
- [Fig. 4 and Fig. 5] The heatmap labels and the additional 'Average over LMMs' and 'Average over scenarios' rows are visually dense and difficult to read. Consider a cleaner formatting or a separate table for the averages.
- [§E.3] The heading 'AMC (regular)' in E.3 appears to be a misnomer, since AMC is an irregular scenario; the subsection describes open-ended outputs for AMC. Rename for clarity.
Circularity Check
Headline Finding 2 is the regular–irregular accuracy gap relabeled as 'weak inductive physical reasoning'; the conclusion is stipulated by the metric rather than independently established.
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self definitional
[§4.1 Evaluation tools; §4.4 How strong is inductive physical reasoning in LMMs?; §4.4 Conclusion]
"Inductive physical reasoning in LMMs is evaluated by comparing their few-shot performances in regular and irregular scenarios. ... A negative value indicates poor inductive physical reasoning in that scenario. ... Conclusion: LMMs demonstrate only weak inductive physical reasoning when exemplars violate parametric knowledge."
The central construct is not independently measured: 'weak inductive physical reasoning' is operationalized as a negative gap between irregular and regular 3-shot accuracy, and the headline discovery restates that same gap. Thus 'LMMs struggle in inductive physical reasoning' follows by definition from the metric, not from an external standard. No human or oracle baseline calibrates the gap, and for AMC, Red-LMC, Red-Pass, and CC the comparison uses LMC(Reg) even though the questions concern rotation, color-conditional motion, pass-through, and shape change rather than the same velocity-change task. A negative gap can therefore reflect task difficulty or question mismatch rather than an induction deficit, but the paper's conclusion adopts the metric's interpretation directly.
full rationale
The paper is mostly transparent: all absolute accuracies are reported in Tables 1, 3, and 4, and the irregular/regular comparison is explicitly stated. However, the headline Finding 2 is an interpretive label attached to the gap metric rather than an independent discovery. The metric defines 'weak inductive physical reasoning' as a negative gap, so the conclusion is baked into the operationalization. This is a partial circularity: the benchmark would produce the same 'finding' for any model that performed worse on irregular than regular scenarios, regardless of why. The language-bias finding in §4.5 is a separate controlled comparison and is less circular, and the qualitative AMC analysis in §E.3 is an independent check for one scenario. The paper would be strengthened by an oracle/human baseline and by matching question types across regular/irregular comparisons. Given that the raw accuracy tables remain informative, the circularity is partial, not total.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (4)
- Exemplar count =
3
- Frames sampled per video =
8 of 240
- NNER retrieval feature space =
CLIP-L cosine distance, top-k unspecified
- Random options in video-only exemplars =
Random letters A-D
assumptions (4)
- domain assumption Physically impossible scenarios are less likely to have been seen during training, so performance on them isolates inductive ability rather than memorized priors.
- domain assumption The accuracy gap between irregular and regular scenarios is a valid measure of inductive physical reasoning.
- domain assumption Three exemplar videos (or their text labels) uniquely determine the intended violated law.
- standard math Standard conservation laws correctly describe the regular scenarios.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of InPhyRe Discovers: Large Multimodal Models Struggle in Inductive Physical Reasoning." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/OSBUDV5U
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read the original abstract
Large multimodal models (LMMs) encode physical laws observed during training, such as momentum conservation, as parametric knowledge. It allows LMMs to answer physical reasoning queries, such as the outcome of a potential collision event from visual input. However, since parametric knowledge includes only the physical laws seen during training, it is insufficient for reasoning in inference scenarios that follow physical laws unseen during training. In such novel physical environments, humans could adapt their physical reasoning based on provided demonstrations. This inductive physical reasoning ability is indispensable for LMMs if they are to replace human agents in safety-critical applications. Despite its importance, existing visual benchmarks do not evaluate inductive physical reasoning and only consider the parametric knowledge in LMMs. To this end, we propose InPhyRe, the first visual question answering benchmark to measure inductive physical reasoning in LMMs. InPhyRe evaluates LMMs' ability to predict the outcome of collision events in algorithmically generated synthetic videos. By inspecting over 13 open-source and proprietary LMMs, InPhyRe informs us that (1) LMMs struggle to apply their limited parametric knowledge about universal physical laws to reasoning, (2) inductive physical reasoning in LMMs is weak when the physical laws underlying inference scenarios were unseen during training, and (3) inductive physical reasoning in LMMs suffers from language bias and may ignore the visual inputs, questioning the trustworthiness of LMMs regarding visual inputs.
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This means that when the sphere hits the cube, the cube exerts an equal and opposite force back on the sphere
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In an elastic collision, kinetic energy is also conserved
**Collision Dynamics:** Because the cube and sphere have equal mass, and the collision is likely to be fairly brief, we can assume it’s an *elastic* collision (or close to it – perfectly elastic collisions are rare in reality). In an elastic collision, kinetic energy is also c...
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If the masses of the yellow cube and the purple sphere are equal, and they are initially at rest, the momentum before the collision is zero
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Since the masses are equal and initially at rest, the kinetic energy before the collision is zero
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Let’s say the cube’s velocity is *v*
**Initial State:** The cube is moving, and the sphere is stationary. Let’s say the cube’s velocity is *v*. The sphere’s velocity is 0. 2. **Collision:** During the collision, the cube transfers some of its momentum to the sphere. 3. **Final State (Ideal Elastic Collision):** S...
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Momentum is the product of mass and velocity (p = mv)
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Inelastic Collision**: The nature of the collision (whether it is elastic or inelastic) also plays a role
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The green cylinder might slow down slightly due to the transfer of momentum
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In an inelastic collision, some kinetic energy is converted into other forms of energy, such as heat or deformation energy
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Since the green cylinder has more mass, it will have more momentum
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**Green Cylinder’s Slowdown:** The green cylinder, having lost some momentum, will slow down after the collision
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It will move in roughly the direction the green cylinder was traveling
**Blue Cube’s Speedup:** The blue cube, gaining momentum, will speed up after the collision. It will move in roughly the direction the green cylinder was traveling
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Kinetic energy is conserved
**Elasticity Matters:** The specifics will depend on how *elastic* the collision is: * **Perfectly Elastic Collision:** (Rare in the real world). Kinetic energy is conserved. The cylinder would slow down significantly, the cube would speed up significantly, and the total kinet...
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The wall will exert a force on the moving cylinder, causing it to deform or change direction
**Inelastic Collision:** - If the collision is inelastic, meaning the two objects stick together after the collision, the black cylinder will move with some velocity after the collision. The wall will exert a force on the moving cylinder, causing it to deform or change direction
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The wall will exert a force on the moving cylinder, causing it to change direction and possibly deform
**Elastic Collision:** - If the collision is elastic, meaning the two objects bounce off each other, the black cylinder will move with some velocity after the collision. The wall will exert a force on the moving cylinder, causing it to change direction and possibly deform
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The wall will exert a force on the moving cylinder, causing it to change direction and possibly deform
**Perfectly Inelastic Collision:** - If the collision is perfectly inelastic, meaning the two objects stick together, the black cylinder will move with some velocity after the collision. The wall will exert a force on the moving cylinder, causing it to change direction and pos...
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bounciness
**Momentum Transfer:** As the cylinder hits the wall, momentum is transferred from the cylinder to the wall. The cylinder initially has a certain velocity (let’s call it *v*), and the wall is initially at rest. After the collision, the cylinder will likely have a velocity in t...
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**Elastic Collision**: In an elastic collision, both momentum and kinetic energy are conserved. This means that the total momentum before the collision is equal to the total momentum after the collision, and the total kinetic energy before the collision is equal to the total k...
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This simplifies the analysis because the wall does not move significantly
**Collision with a Wall**: When the black cylinder collides with the wall, the wall is considered to be stationary and much more massive than the cylinder. This simplifies the analysis because the wall does not move significantly
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The velocity of the cylinder will change direction but not magnitude, assuming no other forces act on it (like friction or air resistance)
**Reversal of Velocity**: Since the wall is stationary and much more massive, the black cylinder will reverse its direction of motion upon collision. The velocity of the cylinder will change direction but not magnitude, assuming no other forces act on it (like friction or air ...
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Since the wall is stationary, the momentum of the wall remains zero
**Conservation of Momentum**: The momentum of the cylinder before the collision (p_initial = m * v_initial) will be equal to the momentum after the collision (p_final = m * v_final). Since the wall is stationary, the momentum of the wall remains zero. Therefore, the momentum o...
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Will any object rotate?
**Conservation of Kinetic Energy**: The kinetic energy of the cylinder before the collision (KE_initial = 0.5 * m * v_initialˆ2) will be equal to the kinetic energy after the collision (KE_final = 0.5 * m * v_finalˆ2). Since the magnitude of the velocity remains the same, the ...
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This means they will form a single larger cube
**Collision Outcome**: - If the collision is elastic, the two cubes will stick together after the collision. This means they will form a single larger cube. - If the collision is inelastic, the two cubes will separate and move apart
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- In an inelastic collision, the two cubes will separate, and they will not rotate
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In a closed system (assuming no external forces like friction or air resistance), the total momentum *before* the collision equals the total momentum *after* the collision
**Conservation of Momentum:** The most important principle here is the conservation of momentum. In a closed system (assuming no external forces like friction or air resistance), the total momentum *before* the collision equals the total momentum *after* the collision. Momentu...
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This simplifies the calculation considerably
**Equal Masses:** We are told that both cubes have the same mass. This simplifies the calculation considerably
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This means the green cube will recoil backward and the blue cube will move forward
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This means the overall rotation of the two cubes will be *zero*
**Rotation:** Here’s the key: Because the cubes are colliding with equal and opposite forces and they have the same mass, the system will conserve angular momentum. This means the overall rotation of the two cubes will be *zero*. While *each individual cube might rotate slight...
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The green cube is initially moving, and the blue cube is stationary
**Momentum Exchange:** Momentum is conserved in the collision. The green cube is initially moving, and the blue cube is stationary. During the collision, the green cube will transfer some of its momentum to the blue cube. 2. **Equal and Opposite Velocities:** Because the masse...
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