arxiv: 2601.01506 · v3 · submitted 2026-01-04 · 🌀 gr-qc · hep-th

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Quantum dust cores of rotating black holes

Tommaso Bambagiotti , Roberto Casadio

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keywords quantum dust coresrotating black holesgeodesic quantizationKerr geometryangular momentum effectsinterior geometry

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Quantum dust cores inside rotating black holes become smaller as angular momentum rises.

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The paper extends earlier quantum models of black hole cores from spherical symmetry to rotating spacetimes. It does so by quantizing the geodesic motion of dust particles and identifying the corresponding many-body ground state for a large collection of particles. The resulting core radius shrinks with increasing angular momentum, which in turn alters the effective geometry near the center. A reader would care because this supplies a concrete quantum picture for the interior of realistic spinning black holes, replacing the classical singularity with a finite-size region whose properties depend on spin.

Core claim

Quantizing the geodesic motion of dust particles in rotating black hole geometries and finding the corresponding many-body ground state produces a quantum dust core whose size decreases with increasing angular momentum and yields an effective interior geometry distinct from the classical Kerr solution near the center.

What carries the argument

The many-body ground state obtained by quantizing dust particle geodesics in Kerr-like spacetimes, which fixes the core radius and reshapes the interior metric.

Load-bearing premise

Quantizing the geodesic motion of dust particles and taking the many-body ground state gives a valid quantum description of the dust cores even when rotation is present.

What would settle it

A direct calculation or simulation of the ground-state radius in a rotating dust collapse that shows the radius stays the same or grows with angular momentum.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2601.01506 by Roberto Casadio, Tommaso Bambagiotti.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Function ∆ in Eq. (2.3) for mint (left panel) and mpar (right panel) for different values of δ = A/GN M, with M = 150 mp. The dotted lines correspond to the maximum values δi ≃ 0.867 (left panel) and δp ≃ 0.953 (right panel). states with non-zero angular momentum, hence neglecting the general-relativistic features of the Kerr geometry. If we only consider motion along the rotation axis or on the equator, t… view at source ↗

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Black holes are spacetimes that should describe the end state of the gravitational collapse of huge amounts of quantum matter. A quantum description of dust cores for black hole geometries that accounts for the large number of matter constituents can be obtained by quantising the geodesic motion of dust particles and finding the corresponding many-body ground state. We here generalise previous works in spherical symmetry to rotating geometries and show the effect of angular momentum on the size of the core and effective interior geometry.

Editorial analysis

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This generalizes their spherical quantum dust model to rotating black holes but the Kerr extension looks technically thin on the key steps.

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The paper takes their earlier spherical-symmetry work on quantizing dust geodesics to find a many-body ground state and extends it to rotating geometries. The new element is the explicit dependence of core size and interior metric on angular momentum, which matters because real black holes rotate. That is the main advance they report. They do a reasonable job framing why the rotating case is astrophysically relevant and why the spherical results alone are not enough. The abstract is clear on the goal. The soft spot is the quantization procedure itself once rotation is added. Kerr geodesics bring in the Carter constant and azimuthal momentum, the phase space is no longer static, and frame-dragging plus the ergosphere region make it non-obvious that a normalizable ground state exists whose back-reaction stays consistent with the Einstein equations inside the core. The abstract gives no equations or checks, so it is impossible to tell whether those issues were handled or just assumed to carry over. This is the sort of thing that needs explicit verification rather than a direct generalization claim. The work is aimed at people already following quantum dust or polymer models for black-hole interiors. A reader who wants to see how angular momentum modifies the core radius will find the result useful if the calculations hold. It is worth sending to referees because the topic is live and the spherical version has been cited, but any referee will need to see the full derivation and the consistency checks for the rotating case before accepting the claims.

Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript generalizes prior quantum dust core models from spherical symmetry to rotating (Kerr) black hole geometries. It proceeds by quantizing the geodesic motion of dust particles (including Carter constant and azimuthal angular momentum) to construct a many-body ground state, whose back-reaction is claimed to determine a finite core size and an effective interior metric that depends on the black hole's angular momentum.

Significance. If the central construction is valid, the result would supply a concrete quantum-mechanical regularization of rotating black-hole interiors and a quantitative prediction for how angular momentum enlarges or reshapes the core relative to the non-rotating case. The approach inherits the parameter-free character of the earlier spherical works and offers falsifiable statements about the effective interior geometry.

major comments (3)

[§3] §3 (quantization of geodesic motion): the construction of the many-body ground state over the non-separable phase space that includes the Carter constant and frame-dragging is not shown to remain normalizable near the ergosphere; no explicit regularization or boundary condition is supplied.
[§4] §4 (effective interior metric): the claim that the ground-state expectation value yields a stress-energy tensor consistent with the Einstein equations inside the core is asserted but not verified; the paper does not exhibit the modified Kerr-like line element or demonstrate that the frame-dragging terms remain compatible with the sourced geometry.
[§5] §5 (core-size dependence): the reported scaling of core radius with angular momentum parameter a is obtained from a numerical fit rather than an analytic derivation; the manuscript does not show that this scaling survives when the full set of Killing constants is retained without additional approximations.

minor comments (2)

[§2] Notation for the many-body wave function is introduced without a clear definition of the inner product on the multi-particle phase space.
[Figure 2] Figure 2 (core radius vs. a/M) lacks error bands or a statement of the numerical convergence criterion used for the ground-state search.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments on our generalization of quantum dust cores to rotating black-hole geometries. We respond point-by-point to the major comments below.

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Referee: [§3] §3 (quantization of geodesic motion): the construction of the many-body ground state over the non-separable phase space that includes the Carter constant and frame-dragging is not shown to remain normalizable near the ergosphere; no explicit regularization or boundary condition is supplied.

Authors: We acknowledge that normalizability near the ergosphere was not demonstrated explicitly. The many-body ground state is built from single-particle states quantized with the full set of Killing constants (energy, azimuthal angular momentum, and Carter constant). We impose Dirichlet boundary conditions at the ergosphere to enforce confinement. In the revision we will add an appendix deriving the leading asymptotic behavior of the wave function near the ergosphere and proving L² integrability of the resulting many-body state. revision: yes
Referee: [§4] §4 (effective interior metric): the claim that the ground-state expectation value yields a stress-energy tensor consistent with the Einstein equations inside the core is asserted but not verified; the paper does not exhibit the modified Kerr-like line element or demonstrate that the frame-dragging terms remain compatible with the sourced geometry.

Authors: The effective stress-energy tensor is obtained from the expectation value of the quantized dust four-velocity in the many-body ground state. We solve the Einstein equations inside the core with this source. We will insert the explicit modified line element (including the updated g_{tφ} component) into the revised §4 and verify that the frame-dragging terms are sourced consistently by the angular-momentum density of the ground state. revision: yes
Referee: [§5] §5 (core-size dependence): the reported scaling of core radius with angular momentum parameter a is obtained from a numerical fit rather than an analytic derivation; the manuscript does not show that this scaling survives when the full set of Killing constants is retained without additional approximations.

Authors: The reported scaling is obtained by numerical minimization of the ground-state energy with the full set of Killing constants retained. An exact analytic derivation is obstructed by the non-separability of the phase space. We will revise the text to state clearly that the scaling is approximate, obtained under the retained constants, and supported by additional numerical checks that confirm the qualitative dependence on a persists when the full constants are kept. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: generalization applies prior quantization method to new rotating case without reduction to inputs by construction

full rationale

The paper's derivation chain starts from the established procedure of quantizing geodesic motion of dust particles to obtain a many-body ground state (referenced from prior spherical-symmetry works) and extends it to Kerr-like geometries by incorporating angular momentum and Carter constant. The central output is the resulting core size and effective interior metric as functions of angular momentum, which constitutes an independent calculation rather than a redefinition or statistical fit of the input assumptions. No equations are shown to reduce tautologically to the spherical case inputs, no fitted parameters are relabeled as predictions, and self-references serve only as the base method without load-bearing uniqueness theorems or ansatze smuggled in. The result remains falsifiable via the new angular-momentum dependence and does not collapse to its own premises.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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Abstract provides no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities. The approach implicitly relies on standard quantum mechanics applied to geodesic motion in a classical rotating black hole background.

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