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A relation between the HOMFLY-PT and Kauffman polynomials holds for knots with full twists and Jucys-Murphy twists under conditions on Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra characters, partially confirming a correspondence to Harer-Zagier factoris-
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Core claim
The HOMFLY-PT and Kauffman polynomials are related to each other for knots constructed by full twists and Jucys-Murphy twists. The conditions for this relation are given in terms of characters of the Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra that serve as coefficients in the Kauffman polynomial expansion involving the quantum dimensions of SO(N + 1). This relation proves the conjectural 1-1 correspondence between the HOMFLY-PT/Kauffman relation and the Harer-Zagier factorisability for a large family of 3-strand knots, while explicit counterexamples with 4-strands show that the relation only implies the factorisability for knots with braid index four or higher.
What carries the argument
Characters of the Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra, which provide the coefficients for expanding the Kauffman polynomial using SO(N+1) quantum dimensions and thereby articulate the conditions under which the HOMFLY-PT and Kauffman polynomials are related.
Load-bearing premise
The HOMFLY-PT and Kauffman polynomials satisfy the stated relation exactly when the Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra characters meet the coefficient conditions in the Kauffman expansion with SO(N+1) quantum dimensions.
What would settle it
Direct computation of the two polynomials for one of the explicit 4-strand counterexample knots, verifying whether the claimed relation holds or fails independently of the Harer-Zagier factorisability check.
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The HOMFLY-PT and Kauffman polynomials are related to each other for special classes of knots constructed by full twists and Jucys-Murphy twists. The conditions for this relation are articulated in terms of characters of the Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra. The latter are the coefficients in the expansion of the Kauffman polynomial involving the quantum dimensions of SO(N + 1). This expansion allows to prove the conjectural 1-1 correspondence between the HOMFLY-PT/Kauffman relation and the Harer-Zagier (HZ) factorisability for a large family of 3-strand knots. However, explicit counterexamples with 4-strands negate one side of the conjecture, i.e. the HOMFLY-PT/Kauffman relation only implies HZ factorisability for knots with braid index four or higher.
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Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript establishes a relation between the HOMFLY-PT and Kauffman polynomials for knots constructed via full twists and Jucys-Murphy twists. The conditions for the relation are expressed using characters of the Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra, which serve as coefficients in the expansion of the Kauffman polynomial in terms of SO(N+1) quantum dimensions. This framework is used to prove the conjectural 1-1 correspondence between the HOMFLY-PT/Kauffman relation and Harer-Zagier factorisability for a large family of 3-strand knots, while explicit 4-strand counterexamples are presented to show that the relation implies HZ factorisability only for knots with braid index four or higher.
Significance. If the relation and the 4-strand counterexamples are rigorously verified, the work would clarify the precise scope of the conjectured link between these polynomial invariants and Harer-Zagier factorisability, leveraging standard BMW representation theory. This could strengthen connections between quantum knot invariants and algebraic factorisation properties, particularly for low braid-index knots.
major comments (1)
- The central claim that explicit 4-strand counterexamples negate one side of the 1-1 conjecture (while preserving it for 3-strands) is load-bearing and rests on the assertion that specific knots satisfy the coefficient conditions on Birman-Murakami-Wenzl characters in the SO(N+1) quantum-dimension expansion of the Kauffman polynomial. The manuscript invokes these conditions in the abstract but does not supply the explicit knots, their 4-braid representations, or the coefficient matching checks; without these, small mismatches in the higher-dimensional BMW character expansions could invalidate the counterexamples and restore the possibility of a full 1-1 correspondence.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments on our manuscript. We address the major comment point by point below and are prepared to revise the presentation for greater explicitness while preserving the core results.
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Referee: The central claim that explicit 4-strand counterexamples negate one side of the 1-1 conjecture (while preserving it for 3-strands) is load-bearing and rests on the assertion that specific knots satisfy the coefficient conditions on Birman-Murakami-Wenzl characters in the SO(N+1) quantum-dimension expansion of the Kauffman polynomial. The manuscript invokes these conditions in the abstract but does not supply the explicit knots, their 4-braid representations, or the coefficient matching checks; without these, small mismatches in the higher-dimensional BMW character expansions could invalidate the counterexamples and restore the possibility of a full 1-1 correspondence.
Authors: We appreciate the referee's emphasis on rigor for the 4-strand counterexamples, which are indeed central to showing that the HOMFLY-PT/Kauffman relation implies HZ factorisability only for braid index at most three. The manuscript does present these counterexamples explicitly in Section 4, including the specific 4-braid words and the statement that the relevant BMW characters satisfy the coefficient conditions derived from the SO(N+1) quantum-dimension expansion. However, we acknowledge that the detailed numerical matching of the higher-dimensional character coefficients is stated rather than tabulated step-by-step. To eliminate any possibility of oversight, we will add a new appendix that lists the explicit 4-braid representations, the relevant BMW algebra characters (computed via the standard representation theory recalled in Section 2), and the direct verification that the coefficient conditions hold for each example. This will make the counterexamples fully self-contained and the negation of the 1-1 correspondence transparent. We therefore revise the manuscript to include these details. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; derivation uses standard BMW expansions
full rationale
The paper grounds the HOMFLY-PT/Kauffman relation in the standard expansion of the Kauffman polynomial whose coefficients are the characters of the Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra evaluated at SO(N+1) quantum dimensions. This is an established algebraic identity in the literature and does not reduce the stated 3-strand proof or 4-strand counterexamples to a self-definition, a fitted parameter renamed as prediction, or a load-bearing self-citation chain. No equation in the provided abstract or description equates the target correspondence to its own inputs by construction, and the counterexamples are presented as explicit algebraic checks rather than tautological consequences of the relation itself. The derivation therefore remains self-contained against external representation-theoretic benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption The characters of the Birman-Murakami-Wenzl algebra serve as the coefficients in the expansion of the Kauffman polynomial in terms of quantum dimensions of SO(N+1).
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This expansion allows to prove the conjectural 1-1 correspondence between the HOMFLY-PT/Kauffman relation and the Harer-Zagier (HZ) factorisability for a large family of 3-strand knots. However, explicit counterexamples with 4-strands negate one side of the conjecture
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