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· Lean TheoremOn Fubini type theorems for the Riemann integral
Pith reviewed 2026-05-12 00:55 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
In important applications a modification of repeated integration makes the Riemann integral as powerful as the Lebesgue integral via Fubini's theorem.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
One of the essential questions of the theory of multidimensional integrals concerns the evaluation of integrals taken in given domains. In the simplest case, when integrating over parallelepipeds, evaluation can easily be performed by repeated integration. In the case of the Lebesgue integral, the question is easily solvable by Fubini's theorem. In the case of the Riemann integral, the situation is complicated by the difference between Jordan and Lebesgue measures. In this paper, we show that in certain important applications of Riemann integrals, one can establish a modification of the theorem on repeated integration in which Fubini's theorem is as powerful as in the case of the Lebesgue.
What carries the argument
A modification of the theorem on repeated integration that overcomes the Jordan-Lebesgue measure difference for Riemann integrals in specific applications.
If this is right
- Multidimensional Riemann integrals in those applications can be computed via repeated one-variable integrations.
- The power of iteration matches that available for Lebesgue integrals.
- Applications relying on Riemann integrals gain a reliable tool for domain evaluation.
- Computations avoid the need to invoke Lebesgue theory for iteration purposes.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Practitioners in fields using Riemann integrals, such as physics or engineering, might continue using them for complex regions.
- This could prompt further research into precise conditions making the modification valid.
- Similar modifications might apply to other integral properties differing between Riemann and Lebesgue.
Load-bearing premise
That there exist certain important applications where the modification of the repeated integration theorem can be established despite the general differences between Jordan and Lebesgue measures.
What would settle it
An explicit counterexample consisting of a domain and integrand in an important application where the modified repeated integration does not yield the same result or effectiveness as Fubini's theorem would for the Lebesgue integral of the same function.
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One of the essential questions of the theory of multidimensional integrals concerns the evaluation of integrals taken in given domains. In the simplest case, when integrating over parallelepipeds, evaluation can easily be performed by repeated integration. In the case of the Lebesgue integral, the question is easily solvable by Fubini's theorem. In the case of the Riemann integral, the situation is complicated by the difference between Jordan and Lebesgue measures. In this paper, we show that in certain important applications of Riemann integrals, one can establish a modification of the theorem on repeated integration in which Fubini's theorem is as powerful as in the case of the Lebesgue integral.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper claims that despite the distinction between Jordan and Lebesgue measures, a modification of the repeated-integration theorem for the Riemann integral can be established in certain important applications, making Fubini-type results as powerful as in the Lebesgue setting.
Significance. If the modification is made explicit with verifiable conditions and a self-contained proof that avoids Lebesgue completeness or absolute integrability, the result could allow direct use of iterated Riemann integrals over Jordan-measurable domains in applications where the full Lebesgue machinery is unnecessary, thereby simplifying some multidimensional computations.
major comments (3)
- The manuscript never states the precise form of the proposed modification (e.g., the exact equality between the double Riemann integral over D and the iterated integrals, together with the hypotheses on D and f that guarantee it). Without this statement the central claim cannot be evaluated.
- No proof, sketch, or verification is supplied for the asserted modification, nor is any error analysis or counter-example check provided to confirm that the equality survives under only Riemann integrability.
- The class of domains and functions to which the modification applies is described only as 'certain important applications' and 'domains where the Riemann integral exists'; the paper supplies neither a concrete characterization (e.g., Jordan-measurable sets with continuous boundary) nor an example that can be checked directly.
minor comments (1)
- The abstract and introduction repeat the same high-level claim without advancing to a formal statement; a dedicated theorem environment would improve readability.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the thorough and constructive report. The comments correctly identify that the current manuscript lacks an explicit statement of the main result, a proof, and a precise characterization of the domains and functions involved. We will undertake a major revision to address each of these points directly while preserving the paper's focus on a Riemann-integral modification that avoids Lebesgue machinery.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: The manuscript never states the precise form of the proposed modification (e.g., the exact equality between the double Riemann integral over D and the iterated integrals, together with the hypotheses on D and f that guarantee it). Without this statement the central claim cannot be evaluated.
Authors: We agree that the precise statement is absent. In the revised manuscript we will insert a clearly labeled theorem that states: Let D be a bounded Jordan-measurable set in R^2 whose boundary has Jordan measure zero, and let f be Riemann integrable on D. Then the double Riemann integral of f over D equals the iterated Riemann integrals, provided the inner integrals exist for almost every fixed outer variable (in the Jordan sense). This formulation will be placed immediately after the introduction. revision: yes
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Referee: No proof, sketch, or verification is supplied for the asserted modification, nor is any error analysis or counter-example check provided to confirm that the equality survives under only Riemann integrability.
Authors: The observation is accurate; the present text contains no proof. We will add a self-contained proof that proceeds from the definition of the Riemann integral via partitions and upper/lower sums, using only the Jordan measurability of D and the Riemann integrability of f. The argument will not invoke Lebesgue completeness or absolute integrability. We will also include a brief discussion of why the result fails for certain non-Jordan-measurable sets, together with a simple numerical verification on a rectangle and on a disk. revision: yes
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Referee: The class of domains and functions to which the modification applies is described only as 'certain important applications' and 'domains where the Riemann integral exists'; the paper supplies neither a concrete characterization (e.g., Jordan-measurable sets with continuous boundary) nor an example that can be checked directly.
Authors: We accept that the description is too vague. The revision will replace the phrase 'certain important applications' with an explicit class: bounded Jordan-measurable domains whose boundary is a finite union of C^1 curves (hence has Jordan measure zero) and functions that are continuous on the closure of D or, more generally, Riemann integrable on D. We will also supply a fully worked example over the unit disk with a continuous integrand, showing both the double integral and the iterated integrals computed directly from Riemann sums. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; central claim is a direct demonstration without reduction to inputs or self-citations.
full rationale
The abstract presents the result as showing a modification of the repeated-integration theorem for Riemann integrals in certain applications, where Fubini-type results match Lebesgue power despite Jordan-Lebesgue distinctions. No equations, derivations, or load-bearing steps are visible in the provided text that equate outputs to inputs by construction, fit parameters then rename them as predictions, or rely on self-citations for uniqueness. The claim is framed as an independent mathematical demonstration under restricted domains where Riemann integrals exist, making the derivation self-contained against external benchmarks rather than circular. Vagueness in conditions is a rigor issue, not circularity.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math Standard properties of the Riemann integral and the difference between Jordan and Lebesgue measures
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