arxiv: 2605.04490 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-06 · 🧮 math.LO

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Comparing the Effective Content of Subshifts

Antonio Nakid Cordero, I. Scott

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keywords subshiftssymbolic dynamicsZiegler reducibilityco-languagesfinite determinationcomputabilityexistential closure

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A subshift is finitely determined over another exactly when their co-languages are Ziegler reducible.

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The paper extends a computability result from groups to symbolic dynamics by defining when one subshift is finitely determined over another. It proves this new relation holds precisely when the co-languages of the two subshifts stand in Ziegler reducibility. This supplies a concrete method for comparing the effective content of subshifts using existing notions from logic. The authors also examine existential closure for subshifts under the same lens.

Core claim

We introduce the notion of one subshift being finitely determined over another and show that this relation is characterised by Ziegler reducibility between their co-languages. This mirrors Ziegler's characterisation of finite absolute presentability between groups. We further investigate a notion of existential closure for subshifts.

What carries the argument

The finite determination relation between subshifts, which is defined to capture effective presentation of one by the other and is proved equivalent to Ziegler reducibility of their co-languages.

Load-bearing premise

The direct analogy from Ziegler's group characterisation transfers to subshifts without extra conditions or counterexamples that would break the equivalence.

What would settle it

A pair of subshifts where finite determination holds but the co-languages are not Ziegler reducible, or the reverse, would show the claimed characterisation fails.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.04490 by Antonio Nakid Cordero, I. Scott.

**Figure 1.** Figure 1: A window of the combined oracle shift. The green words are from L(T) while the blue are from L(S). The superscript on each word represents the type of the row. By subword closure, all the subwords of each word of length 2 i − 1 appear in the rows of type i − 1. Note that, while in the coding of I and J we are forbidding configurations (instead of words), thus can be accomplished by finite patterns becaus… view at source ↗

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Example of tiles coding the axioms of I (left) and J (right). The I-tile represents and axiom ⟨w, u⟩ where Du only has words of type 2 and are not any v 2 i (red row). The J-tile represents and axiom ⟨w, u, v⟩ where w and all the words in Du have type 2 and do not appear in the corresponding row (red) and D 1 v = {t} with t of type 1. Remark 1. It is worth noting that where Ziegler reduction features in th… view at source ↗

read the original abstract

Motivated by Ziegler's computability-theoretic characterisation of finite absolute presentability between groups, we prove an analogous theorem in symbolic dynamics. We introduce the notion of one subshift being finitely determined over another and show that this relation is characterised by Ziegler reducibility between their co-languages. We further investigate a notion of existential closure for subshifts.

Editorial analysis

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

The paper carries Ziegler's group result over to subshifts by defining finite determination and tying it to co-language reducibility, plus some work on existential closure.

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The main takeaway is that the authors define when one subshift is finitely determined over another and prove this relation is exactly characterized by Ziegler reducibility between the co-languages. They also examine existential closure in the same setting. This is new: the specific notion and the characterization theorem do not appear in the cited prior work, and the move from groups to symbolic dynamics is the central contribution. The motivation is straightforward and the analogy is presented cleanly without obvious circularity. What the paper does well is keep the focus narrow and deliver a precise computability link that fits the effective symbolic dynamics literature. The abstract states the result directly and the stress-test finds no internal contradiction or missing case in the given description. On the soft spots, the full proofs are not visible here, so it is impossible to check whether the analogy requires any extra effectiveness or topological conditions that might not hold in general. The abstract alone leaves the derivation steps unexamined, which keeps the soundness assessment provisional. This paper is for people already working in computable dynamics or Ziegler-style reducibility who want a tool for comparing subshifts. A reader outside that narrow area will not find broad applications. It deserves a serious referee because the claim is specific, the motivation is honest, and the result is falsifiable in principle once the details are checked.

Referee Report

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Summary. The paper introduces the notion of one subshift being finitely determined over another and proves that this relation is characterized exactly by Ziegler reducibility between the co-languages of the two subshifts. The result is presented as a direct analogue of Ziegler's theorem on finite absolute presentability for groups. The manuscript additionally develops a notion of existential closure for subshifts and explores its properties in the effective setting.

Significance. If the central characterization holds, the work supplies a computability-theoretic tool for comparing the effective content of subshifts via their co-languages, mirroring an established result from group theory. This transfer of ideas between symbolic dynamics and computable algebra is a clear strength; the manuscript delivers a precise equivalence rather than an inequality or one-directional implication. The additional investigation of existential closure further equips the field with new definability notions that may support future effective classifications of subshifts.

minor comments (2)

[Abstract] The abstract states the main result but does not name the precise statement of the characterization (e.g., the direction of the equivalence or the exact class of subshifts involved); adding a one-sentence formulation would improve immediate readability.
[Introduction] Notation for co-languages and Ziegler reducibility is introduced in the body; a short preliminary section collecting all required definitions from prior literature would help readers who are not already familiar with Ziegler's framework.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their positive assessment of the manuscript, the recognition of the analogy with Ziegler's theorem on finite absolute presentability, and the recommendation to accept. We are pleased that the precise equivalence via Ziegler reducibility of co-languages and the development of existential closure were viewed as strengths.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity detected

full rationale

The paper introduces the new notion of one subshift being finitely determined over another and proves that this relation is characterized by Ziegler reducibility between their co-languages, presented explicitly as an analogous theorem motivated by Ziegler's prior group-theoretic result. No step in the abstract or described derivation reduces by construction to a fitted parameter, self-definition, or load-bearing self-citation; the central equivalence is offered as a proven statement in the symbolic-dynamics setting with external motivation rather than internal renaming or ansatz smuggling. The derivation chain remains self-contained against the stated assumptions.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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No free parameters, axioms, or invented entities are identifiable from the abstract alone; the work relies on standard notions from computability and symbolic dynamics.

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