arxiv: 2605.12172 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-12 · 🪐 quant-ph · gr-qc

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A post-Newtonian Gravitational Collapse Model from Linearized Gravity

Rudi B. P. Pietsch , Luciano Petruzziello , Martin B. Plenio

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keywords gravitational collapselinearized gravityDiòsi-Penrose modelgravitomagnetic vector potentialquantum decoherencemass currenthybrid classical-quantum dynamics

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Including the gravitomagnetic vector potential yields new collapse terms for rotations and mixed mass-rotation contributions.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper constructs a collapse model by starting from the weak-field limit of general relativity and applying gravitoelectromagnetism to derive couplings between gravitational potentials and a quantum system's mass distribution and currents. The gravitoelectric potential recovers the familiar Diósi-Penrose collapse acting on position, while the gravitomagnetic vector potential produces additional non-unitary dynamics for angular momentum and cross terms. This yields a master equation whose dissipative part is fixed by the underlying mass density and mass current. A reader would care because the extension supplies concrete predictions for how gravity decoheres rotational superpositions, opening routes to test gravitational effects on quantum states beyond pure position-based models.

Core claim

Starting from the weak-field limit of general relativity, gravitoelectromagnetism supplies an effective coupling of the gravitoelectric potential to mass density and of the gravitomagnetic vector potential to mass current. Following a hybrid classical-quantum dynamics approach, these couplings generate a non-unitary master equation; the gravitoelectric part alone reproduces the Diósi-Penrose collapse on positional degrees of freedom, while the gravitomagnetic part adds collapse mechanisms for rotational degrees of freedom and for mixed mass-rotation contributions.

What carries the argument

The hybrid classical-quantum dynamics approach that converts the gravitoelectric and gravitomagnetic couplings of linearized gravity into the non-unitary part of a quantum master equation.

If this is right

Collapse rates become sensitive to both mass density and mass current distributions.
Rotational superpositions experience gravitational collapse even in the absence of net linear displacement.
Cross terms appear that couple linear and angular momentum in the decoherence dynamics.
The model remains within the post-Newtonian regime of gravity while extending the range of testable collapse signatures.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

Experiments with spinning nanoparticles or levitated rotors could isolate the new rotational terms and test whether they scale with angular momentum as predicted.
The framework suggests that any complete gravity-induced collapse model must incorporate the full energy-momentum tensor rather than mass density alone.
If the additional terms survive, they may unify position-based and rotation-based collapse models under a single geometric origin.

Load-bearing premise

The hybrid classical-quantum dynamics approach correctly translates the classical gravitational potentials into a non-unitary master equation for the quantum state.

What would settle it

Measure the decoherence rate of a coherent superposition of a rotating massive object and find that the rate shows no dependence on angular velocity or mass current beyond the standard Diósi-Penrose prediction.

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We introduce a general gravity-related collapse mechanism based on linearized gravity. Starting from the weak-field limit of general relativity, gravitoelectromagnetism suggests an effective coupling between the gravitoelectric potential and the mass density distribution. At the same time, it provides a similar relation for the gravitomagnetic vector potential and the mass current. Following a hybrid (classical-quantum) dynamics approach, these couplings lead to a master equation whose non-unitary part is determined by the underlying mass distribution and currents. When the gravitoelectric potential coupling is considered, the well-known Di\'osi-Penrose collapse model acting on positional degrees of freedom is recovered. However, upon including the gravitomagnetic vector potential, additional collapse mechanisms emerge for rotational degrees of freedom as well as for mixed mass-rotation contributions.

Editorial analysis

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

Extends Diósi-Penrose with rotational collapse from the gravitomagnetic potential, but the hybrid dynamics step that produces the master equation is the part that still needs explicit checks.

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The paper recovers the standard Diósi-Penrose collapse from the gravitoelectric potential and adds new terms for rotational degrees of freedom plus mixed mass-rotation contributions coming from the gravitomagnetic vector potential. That is the actual new content. It works within the weak-field, slow-motion limit of GR and treats mass currents as the source for the extra channels. The recovery of the known positional collapse is a useful consistency check and shows the construction is not entirely ad hoc. The post-Newtonian framing is a reasonable way to organize the couplings. The soft spot is the conversion step. The abstract says a hybrid classical-quantum dynamics approach turns the classical potentials into the non-unitary part of the master equation, but without the explicit interaction Hamiltonian, the resulting Lindblad operators, and a check that they preserve complete positivity and trace, the new rotational terms remain formal. Linearized gravity already restricts the regime; grafting an extra hybrid rule on top requires its own justification and scaling with G. If the full paper supplies those steps and verifies the generator, the extension is usable. If it just states the outcome, the claim stays at the level of a plausible guess. This is for people already working on gravitational decoherence and objective collapse models. A reader who wants to see how currents might induce rotational decoherence will find a concrete proposal to test against. It is worth sending to peer review because the central claim is specific, tied to an established approximation, and falsifiable in principle once the derivation is written out.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript introduces a gravitational collapse model derived from the weak-field limit of general relativity via gravitoelectromagnetism. The gravitoelectric potential couples to the mass density to recover the Diósi-Penrose model for positional degrees of freedom, while the gravitomagnetic vector potential is claimed to generate additional non-unitary terms acting on rotational degrees of freedom and mixed mass-rotation contributions. These couplings are translated into a master equation using a hybrid classical-quantum dynamics approach.

Significance. If the central derivation is valid, the work extends gravity-induced collapse models beyond the standard Diósi-Penrose framework by incorporating rotational effects from linearized gravity. This could yield new testable predictions for decoherence in systems with angular momentum and provides a systematic post-Newtonian grounding for collapse mechanisms. The recovery of the known gravitoelectric result is a clear strength.

major comments (2)

[Section describing the hybrid dynamics and master equation derivation] The hybrid (classical-quantum) dynamics procedure that converts the gravitoelectromagnetic interaction terms into the non-unitary part of the master equation is not derived explicitly. It is unclear how the classical potentials produce a valid Lindblad generator that preserves complete positivity and trace, or how the coupling strength scales correctly with G. This step is load-bearing for the claim of new rotational collapse channels.
[Section on gravitomagnetic contributions] The explicit form of the additional collapse operators arising from the gravitomagnetic vector potential (and the mixed mass-rotation cross terms) is not shown with sufficient detail to verify their action on the quantum state or to confirm they are independent of the gravitoelectric contribution. Without these expressions, the assertion that 'additional collapse mechanisms emerge' remains formal.

minor comments (2)

[Abstract] The abstract summarizes the conceptual steps but would benefit from stating the explicit master equation or key operator forms to allow immediate assessment of the new terms.
[Introduction and formalism] Notation for the mass current and vector potential should be cross-checked for consistency with standard gravitoelectromagnetism literature to avoid ambiguity in the coupling.

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We thank the referee for the careful reading of our manuscript and for the positive evaluation of its potential significance in extending gravity-induced collapse models. We address each major comment below and will incorporate the requested clarifications and explicit derivations into the revised version.

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Referee: [Section describing the hybrid dynamics and master equation derivation] The hybrid (classical-quantum) dynamics procedure that converts the gravitoelectromagnetic interaction terms into the non-unitary part of the master equation is not derived explicitly. It is unclear how the classical potentials produce a valid Lindblad generator that preserves complete positivity and trace, or how the coupling strength scales correctly with G. This step is load-bearing for the claim of new rotational collapse channels.

Authors: The hybrid classical-quantum dynamics procedure follows the standard construction used in the Diósi-Penrose model and related literature, in which classical gravitational potentials are coupled to the quantum system via an interaction term that is then converted to a master equation through the usual hybrid dynamics formalism. To address the concern, the revised manuscript will include an explicit step-by-step derivation of this conversion in a dedicated subsection. This will show that the resulting non-unitary term is a valid Lindblad generator by construction (ensuring complete positivity and trace preservation), with the explicit form of the dissipator. The coupling strength scales correctly with G because the gravitoelectric potential Φ and gravitomagnetic vector potential A are each proportional to G times the mass density or current (from the linearized Einstein equations in the gravitoelectromagnetism approximation); this G factor enters directly into the collapse rates. We will add the explicit G dependence in the expressions. revision: yes
Referee: [Section on gravitomagnetic contributions] The explicit form of the additional collapse operators arising from the gravitomagnetic vector potential (and the mixed mass-rotation cross terms) is not shown with sufficient detail to verify their action on the quantum state or to confirm they are independent of the gravitoelectric contribution. Without these expressions, the assertion that 'additional collapse mechanisms emerge' remains formal.

Authors: We agree that the explicit forms of the additional collapse operators were not displayed in sufficient detail. In the revised manuscript we will derive and present the explicit Lindblad operators arising from the gravitomagnetic vector potential, together with the mixed mass-rotation cross terms. These will be written out in full, showing their action on the quantum state (via the corresponding superoperator terms in the master equation) and demonstrating that they are independent of the gravitoelectric contribution by separating the master equation into distinct additive terms. This will make the emergence of the new rotational and mixed collapse channels verifiable. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: derivation starts from external linearized gravity and applies hybrid translation without reducing outputs to inputs by construction.

full rationale

The paper begins with the weak-field limit of general relativity to obtain gravitoelectromagnetic potentials and currents, then invokes a hybrid classical-quantum dynamics procedure to construct the non-unitary master equation. The gravitoelectric sector recovers the known Diósi-Penrose model as an output rather than redefining it, while the gravitomagnetic sector generates additional rotational and mixed terms from the same external potentials. No equation or step equates the final collapse rates to fitted parameters or prior self-referential definitions; the hybrid mapping is presented as a translation rule whose validity is external to the present derivation. The central claim therefore retains independent content grounded in linearized gravity.

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Review is based solely on the abstract; full derivation details are unavailable. The primary unstated premise is the validity of applying hybrid classical-quantum dynamics to the gravitoelectromagnetic couplings.

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domain assumption The hybrid (classical-quantum) dynamics approach can be applied to the gravitoelectric and gravitomagnetic couplings to produce a non-unitary master equation.
This premise is required to connect the classical gravity potentials to quantum collapse dynamics.

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