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Towards a monolithic platform for coupling superconducting circuits to low-loss microwave phonons in AlScN on 4H-SiC

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Pith's one-line read A selectively etched AlScN-on-SiC chip can host both high-Q superconducting microwave circuits and low-loss, microsecond-lived surface phonons on one substrate.

desk verdict First mK SAW loss data and superconducting resonators on selectively etched AlScN-on-SiC look solid as separate benchmarks, but the 'same chip' coexistence claim outruns the data because they were measured on separate chips. read the letter →

arxiv 2607.14319 v1 pith:465OW5LZ submitted 2026-07-15 quant-ph physics.app-ph

Yuanchen Deng , William W. Roberts , Sueli Skinner-Ramos , Dalton Anderson , Katherine Hewey , Xingyu Du , Michael Miller , Brandon Smith
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Hwijong Lee Pingping Chen Charles Thomas Harris Roy H. Olsson III Lisa Hackett Rupert Lewis Matt Eichenfield
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The reading

The paper aims to establish that a single chip made of piezoelectric aluminum scandium nitride (AlScN) on silicon carbide (SiC) can host both the microwave circuits of a superconducting quantum processor and the low-loss phononic waveguides that connect them, removing the need for flip-chip assembly. It demonstrates the two halves separately: aluminum coplanar-waveguide resonators on selectively exposed SiC reach an internal quality factor of about 75,000 (T1 = 2.9 µs) at single-photon power, and cryogenic surface-acoustic-wave delay lines on retained AlScN show a Sezawa-mode propagation loss of 1.02 dB/cm, corresponding to a 7.6 µs phonon lifetime. Together with a demonstrated electromechanical coupling of 4.3% and a theoretical ceiling of 8%, these numbers imply coherent photon–phonon coupling rates around 10 MHz should be reachable, well above the roughly 100 kHz needed for strong coupling. The paper is explicit that this is a first, unoptimized demonstration; whether the platform delivers on its promise depends on both components retaining their performance when co-fabricated on the same chip.

What carries the argument

The central object is the selectively patterned AlScN-on-4H-SiC heterostructure: a piezoelectric aluminum scandium nitride film grown directly on high-resistivity SiC, with the AlScN removed only where superconducting circuits sit. Aluminum interdigital transducers on retained AlScN launch and detect surface-acoustic modes, and the Sezawa mode — a higher-order surface wave confined by the acoustic-velocity contrast with SiC — provides the strong electromechanical coupling (4.3% demonstrated, 8% theoretical bound) that carries the quantum-acoustic argument. The mechanism does the work of separating loss budgets: exposed SiC sets the superconducting resonator's microwave loss, the AlScN film s

What would settle it

Fabricate one chip containing a superconducting CPW resonator on exposed SiC within the same field as an operating SAW delay line on retained AlScN, cool below 20 mK, and compare the resonator's single-photon Qi (isolated value ≈7.5×10^4) and the Sezawa delay-line loss (isolated value ≈1 dB/cm) with their separately measured counterparts; a significant drop in either under co-fabrication would falsify the claim that this is a working monolithic platform.

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Core claim

The paper reports a fabrication route in which a 1-µm, 42%-scandium AlScN film on 4H-SiC is selectively etched with hot TMAH to expose bare SiC while leaving piezoelectric AlScN patches intact. Aluminum CPW resonators built on the exposed SiC achieve Qi ≈ 7.5×10^4 (T1 = 2.9 µs) in the single-photon regime, and SAW delay lines built on the retained AlScN show cryogenic Sezawa-mode loss of 1.02 ± 0.49 dB/cm and Rayleigh-mode loss of 3.16 ± 0.18 dB/cm, corresponding to phonon lifetimes of 7.6 µs and 3.4 µs at about 4 GHz. The paper's claim is that these separately measured pieces establish Al-on-SiC/AlScN-on-SiC as a monolithic platform for quantum acoustics, with the same chip able to support

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that the superconducting resonators measured on a chip with retained AlScN patches and the phononic delay lines measured on a separate AlScN-on-SiC chip are representative of a single co-fabricated monolithic device; if placing the two components together degrades either resonator Q or phonon loss, the platform claim is not yet established.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • A superconducting photon lifetime of 2.9 µs and a phonon lifetime of 7.6 µs put strong coupling within reach at ~100 kHz; with 4.3% electromechanical coupling, coherent coupling rates of order 10 MHz should be possible, enabling photon–phonon state transfer and quantum communication with acoustic delay lines.
  • Cryogenic losses for Sezawa and Rayleigh modes are roughly 50× and 30× lower than the same modes at room temperature, yielding mechanical Q estimates of about 190,000 and 58,000 — long enough for proposed quantum RAM, bosonic qubit encoding, and entangled SAW phonon demonstrations.
  • The selective TMAH etch process leaves SiC surfaces that support aluminum superconducting resonators with competitive single-photon Qi, and surface-treatment history changes Qi by up to 4×, so the fabrication route itself offers a clear lever for further coherence improvements.
  • Because the platform needs no suspended phononics and no bonded layer transfer, phononic components and superconducting circuits can be drawn on one chip, simplifying dense routing and large-scale integration.
  • The measured delay-line losses represent upper bounds on propagation-loss-limited cavity phonon lifetimes; actual resonant cavities may be limited additionally by mirror leakage, substrate radiation, and fabrication tolerances, which the paper identifies as next targets.

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Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If co-fabrication preserves both loss budgets on one chip, this platform could sidestep the bonding and layer-transfer steps that limit lithium-niobate-on-insulator scalability, since AlScN is sputtered directly on SiC with a lattice-matched seed.
  • The paper's observation that the widest resonators degrade most points to bulk SiC substrate loss as the current ceiling for Qi; higher-resistivity or more defect-controlled SiC wafers, or phononic bandgap designs that suppress SiC's weak piezoelectric radiation, are untested extensions that could lift resonator coherence.
  • A temperature sweep between base temperature and room temperature — which the paper notes was not done — would isolate Akhiezer damping from two-level-system and roughness loss, directly guiding the material-engineering steps the authors propose.
  • If the 8% theoretical electromechanical bound is reached, the platform's projected coupling rate roughly doubles relative to today's 4.3%, which would make single-chip phononic networks competitive with suspended-device demonstrations.
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Summary. The paper proposes AlScN (42% Sc) on 4H-SiC as a monolithic platform for integrating superconducting microwave circuits with piezoelectric phononic devices. The fabrication route selectively removes AlScN to expose SiC for superconducting CPW resonators while retaining AlScN for phononic transduction. On the superconducting side, Al-on-SiC resonators reach internal quality factors up to ~75,000 (T1≈2.9 µs at 4.175 GHz) in the single-photon regime, with a comparison of different CPW geometries and SiC surface treatments. On the phononic side, cryogenic SAW delay lines fabricated on a separate AlScN-on-SiC chip show Sezawa-mode propagation loss of 1.02±0.49 dB/cm and Rayleigh-mode loss of 3.16±0.18 dB/cm at ~7 mK, corresponding to estimated phonon lifetimes of 7.6 µs and 3.4 µs. The paper concludes that 'the same AlScN-on-SiC chip can simultaneously support high-Q superconducting resonators and long-lived surface phonons.'

Significance. If the platform-level claim is validated, this work would be a valuable step toward monolithic quantum acoustic systems that avoid flip-chip bonding or suspended phononics. The strengths include: a first systematic cryogenic study of microwave SAW propagation loss in high-Sc-content AlScN; a clear integration route (selective TMAH etch of AlScN) with direct comparison of surface treatments; standard, transparent extraction of resonator Qi via the Probst et al. procedure; and a multi-echo, multi-length fitting method for propagation loss rather than a single-device estimate. The measured cryogenic losses (1 dB/cm for Sezawa) compare favorably to TFLN values cited in the paper, and the 4.3% demonstrated electromechanical coupling is a useful input for future device projections. However, the central conclusion that both subsystems coexist on one chip is not yet supported by the data, because the superconducting and phononic measurements were performed on separate chips. This gap is load-bearing for the monolithic-platform claim and should be addressed either experimentally or by softening the claim.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract / §II / §III / §V] The central claim that 'the same AlScN-on-SiC chip can simultaneously support high-Q superconducting resonators and long-lived surface phonons' (Abstract and Conclusion) is not demonstrated. The superconducting resonators in §II were fabricated on a chip where AlScN patches were retained only 'for future integration' of phononic components; no IDTs or delay lines were patterned on that chip. The SAW delay lines in §III were on a standalone 14×11 mm AlScN-on-SiC chip with no superconducting circuitry. Co-fabrication effects—such as TMAH etching and subsequent Al deposition/lift-off degrading adjacent AlScN or IDT metallization, or IDTs and piezoelectric patches introducing TLS/stray/loading losses to the superconducting resonators—remain untested. The manuscript explicitly labels the patches as 'future integration,' so the Conclusion overshoots the evidence. I recommend either (a) fabrica
  2. [§III, Eqs. (1)–(3)] The propagation-loss extraction relies on fitting echo amplitudes to Eq. (2), which contains three free parameters (T, R, α). The paper reports final α values but does not describe the fitting procedure in enough detail to assess whether T, R, and α are independently identifiable from the data, especially given that L and n are related through the echo number. I would like to see: the number of delay lines and echoes used per fit; the weighting of the planar fit; the covariance between R and α; and how the reported uncertainties (e.g., 0.49 dB/cm for Sezawa) were propagated from the gated time-domain data. This is not a fatal flaw—the method is plausible—but the uncertainty budget is central to the headline phonon-lifetime claim of 7.6 µs.
minor comments (4)
  1. [§II, Fig. 2] The factor-4 improvement after 'surface treatment' is stated without specifying what the 'standard AlScN etching process' does to the SiC surface beyond removing AlScN. Please clarify whether the improvement is due to TMAH exposure, the HF hard-mask removal step, or the combination; otherwise the reader cannot separate etch chemistry effects from simple AlScN removal.
  2. [§III, Eq. (3)] Eq. (3) uses ω to estimate Q from propagation loss. Please state explicitly that ω is the angular frequency (2πf) and clarify whether the group velocity is measured as v_g = 2L0/Δt for both modes. Also note that this Q is a propagation-loss-limited estimate; the text acknowledges mirror leakage and radiation, but it would help to call it 'upper-bound' in the equation caption or main text.
  3. [General] There are several typographical issues: 'SA W' appears with an unintended space in §I; 'findingscalable' is missing a space; the reference [10] appears to have an incomplete author list; and the acknowledgments contain a typo ('Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency' is fine, but 'YFA' is not expanded consistently).
  4. [§III, line '...reflection at the transducers'] In Eq. (1), the echo power expression assumes symmetric conversion and reflection at the input and output IDTs. Please state this symmetry assumption explicitly when introducing the equation, since it underlies the separation of T and R.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the new Q and loss values are direct experimental fits, and the imported K²/8% values are independent prior results, not outputs of this paper's derivation.

full rationale

No circular step is present in the derivation chain. The superconducting resonator internal quality factors are extracted from measured S21 data using the standard Probst et al. fitting procedure, and the phononic propagation losses are obtained by fitting measured echo amplitudes to the multi-parameter plane model of Eqs. (1)–(2). These are direct fits to independent experimental data, not quantities predicted from fitted parameters or redefinitions of inputs. The quoted electromechanical coupling K²≈4.3% and the theoretical upper bound of 8% are imported from prior published work by the same group, but they are independent measured/modeled inputs used for context and outlook, not fitted from or derived from the current resonator and delay-line measurements. The phonon quality factor and lifetime quoted in Eq. (3) are simple conversions of the independently measured loss and group velocity, which is standard and not circular. The paper's broader conclusion that "the same AlScN-on-SiC chip can simultaneously support high-Q superconducting resonators and long-lived surface phonons" is an extrapolation: the resonator chip retains AlScN patches only for "future integration" and the SAW delay lines were fabricated on a separate 14×11 mm chip with no superconducting circuits. This is a real evidentiary/scope gap about co-fabrication compatibility, but it is not a circular reduction of outputs to inputs. Therefore the paper is self-contained with respect to its new measurements and receives a circularity score of 0.

Assumptions & free parameters 5 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central feasibility claim rests on experimental fits to loss and Q, prior-film coupling values, and the cross-chip representativeness assumption. No new theoretical entities or parameters are introduced; all fitted quantities are extracted experimental observables.

free parameters (5)
  • Sezawa-mode propagation loss α = 1.02 ± 0.49 dB/cm
    Extracted by planar fit to time-gated echo amplitudes vs propagation length and echo number; the central low-loss phonon claim (τ≈7.6 µs) depends on this fitted quantity.
  • Rayleigh-mode propagation loss α = 3.16 ± 0.18 dB/cm
    Same fitting procedure as Sezawa; supports the 3.4 µs Rayleigh phonon lifetime claim.
  • IDT acoustic reflection coefficient R = R_Rayleigh≈0.47, R_Sezawa≈0.071
    Free coefficient in the echo model P=T²R^{2n}e^{-αL}; must be separated from propagation loss to obtain α.
  • IDT conversion efficiency T = not reported separately
    Absorbed in the planar-fit intercept; assumed constant across echoes and delay lines.
  • Internal quality factor Qi of resonator R4 = ≈75,000 (single-photon, 4.175 GHz)
    Extracted from S21 via the Probst procedure; the T1=2.9 µs claim depends on this fit.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption Echo power follows P = T² R^{2n} e^{-αL} with constant T and R across echoes and delay lines
    Used in §III Eq.(1–2) to separate propagation loss from transducer/reflection losses. If T or R drift with frequency or echo number, the extracted α is biased.
  • standard math Q = ω/(v_g α) converts delay-line propagation loss into a cavity quality factor/lifetime
    Used in §III Eq.(3). This assumes the dominant loss in a hypothetical phononic cavity is the measured propagation loss, ignoring mirror leakage, radiation, and mode-profile effects.
  • domain assumption K²≈4.3% and the 8% upper bound from prior AlScN-on-SiC resonator studies apply to this film
    Used in §IV to estimate achievable coherent coupling rates; the values are cited from refs [31,32] with overlapping authorship.
  • domain assumption Resonator and delay-line measurements on separately processed chips are representative of a co-fabricated monolithic device
    §II resonators are on a selectively etched chip; §III delay lines are on a standalone AlScN-on-SiC chip. The Conclusion's 'same chip can simultaneously support' claim depends on this premise.
  • standard math The Probst et al. S21 fitting procedure correctly returns internal quality factor
    Used for all Q_i values in §II; a standard resonator extraction method.

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Hybrid superconducting-phonon quantum processing is promising for cavity QED, measurement-based quantum computing, and other quantum applications. Relative to microwave photons at the same frequency, phonons can provide ultra-compact footprints, extremely low losses, and greater connectivity. Phonons can also couple strongly to superconducting circuits through the piezoelectric effect. However, this promise rests on scalable platforms that achieve these benefits without degrading superconducting circuit performance. This motivates a monolithic platform combining low phononic loss, strong electromechanical coupling, and superconducting-circuit compatibility without requiring suspended phononics. Here, we characterize a monolithic quantum acoustic platform combining aluminum superconducting circuits on exposed silicon carbide (SiC) with piezoelectric aluminum scandium nitride (AlScN) on SiC for integrated phononics. This architecture is enabled by selective removal of AlScN from selected chip regions, allowing aluminum superconducting microwave resonators to be fabricated directly on the SiC while preserving adjacent AlScN-on-SiC regions for phonon transduction. The resulting Al-on-SiC resonators exhibit a coherent lifetime of 2.9 {\mu}s, demonstrating compatibility with aluminum superconducting quantum devices. In parallel, cryogenic surface acoustic delay-line measurements on the retained AlScN-on-SiC regions show low phononic propagation loss at 4.05 GHz, corresponding to an estimated phonon lifetime of 7.6 {\mu}s. Together with a previously demonstrated electromechanical coupling coefficient of about 4.3% and a theoretical upper bound of 8%, these results establish Al-on-SiC/AlScN-on-SiC as a promising monolithic platform for integrating superconducting microwave circuits with piezoelectric phononic components for quantum acoustic networking and hybrid quantum systems.

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Figure 1. (a) Fabrication process flow of the combined AlScN waveguides and superconducting resonators on SiC. (b) Optical [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. (a) Quality factor measurements of five resonators fabricated on AlScN-on-SiC. Among these, the resonator [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. (a) A photograph of the AlScN-on-SiC chip with phononic delay lines. (b) A microscope image of the phononic delay [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: (a) The impulse response |h| of the Rayleigh mode in the 500 µm delay line at 7 mK, normalized to the filter passband. (b) The amplitudes of the Rayleigh mode echo peaks are fitted into a plane against the number of echoes and propagation distances. (c) The impulse res…
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Conceptual picture of a phononic static Gaussian boson sampling circuit in AlScN-on-SiC. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_5.png]

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