On graphs of total projective functions
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The pith
There is a model of ZFC in which the graph of every total Π¹₃-function is Σ¹₃.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The central claim is that there is a model of ZFC in which the graph of every total Π¹₃-function is Σ¹₃. This principle is incompatible with Π¹₃-uniformization and hence with the usual projective-determinacy picture.
What carries the argument
A forcing or inner-model construction that produces a model where all total Π¹₃-functions have Σ¹₃ graphs while preserving ZFC.
Load-bearing premise
The forcing or inner-model construction succeeds in making all total Π¹₃-functions have Σ¹₃ graphs while preserving enough of ZFC.
What would settle it
A proof that in every model of ZFC there is a total Π¹₃-function whose graph is not Σ¹₃ would falsify the consistency claim.
read the original abstract
It is well known that the graph of a total $\mathbf{\Sigma}^1_n$-function is $\mathbf{\Pi}^1_n$. We prove the consistency of the dual assertion at the third projective level: there is a model of $\ZFC$ in which the graph of every total $\mathbf{\Pi}^1_3$-function is $\mathbf{\Sigma}^1_3$. This principle is incompatible with $\mathbf{\Pi}^1_3$-uniformization and hence with the usual projective-determinacy picture. The construction also repairs the final step of the failure-of-uniformization argument from~\cite{HOFFELNER2023103292}.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proves the consistency of ZFC + 'the graph of every total Π¹₃ function is Σ¹₃'. The construction is a forcing (or inner-model) extension that simultaneously repairs the final step of the uniformization-failure argument in the cited Hoffelner et al. paper; the result is incompatible with Π¹₃-uniformization.
Significance. If the construction succeeds, the result is significant: it supplies a model in which the graph-complexity duality known for total Σ¹ₙ functions holds at the dual Π¹₃ level, thereby separating this property from the usual projective-determinacy picture and adding a concrete consistency statement to the literature on projective uniformization failures.
major comments (1)
- [forcing construction / repaired uniformization step] Forcing construction (the repaired uniformization step referenced in the abstract): the verification that no new total Π¹₃ function appears in the extension whose graph fails to be Σ¹₃ is load-bearing for the universal claim; the argument must explicitly show that any new real added by the forcing cannot code a total function whose graph requires complexity strictly above Σ¹₃ while preserving ZFC.
minor comments (2)
- [throughout] Notation for projective classes is occasionally inconsistent between the abstract and the body; standardize the boldface usage.
- [introduction] The citation to the repaired argument from Hoffelner et al. should include a precise theorem or lemma number in the source paper.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading of the manuscript and the recommendation for minor revision. The comment on the forcing construction is well-taken, and we address it directly below.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [forcing construction / repaired uniformization step] Forcing construction (the repaired uniformization step referenced in the abstract): the verification that no new total Π¹₃ function appears in the extension whose graph fails to be Σ¹₃ is load-bearing for the universal claim; the argument must explicitly show that any new real added by the forcing cannot code a total function whose graph requires complexity strictly above Σ¹₃ while preserving ZFC.
Authors: We agree that this verification is central to establishing the universal claim. The construction repairs the final step of the uniformization-failure argument from the cited work by using a forcing extension in which the relevant projective absoluteness and homogeneity properties are preserved, ensuring that the graph-complexity duality holds for total Π¹₃ functions. While the manuscript already sketches why new reals cannot introduce violating total Π¹₃ functions (via the design of the poset and preservation of ZFC), we acknowledge that the argument would benefit from greater explicitness. In the revised version we will insert a dedicated paragraph immediately following the description of the forcing, spelling out that any real added by the extension is generic over a poset that precludes coding a total function whose graph lies strictly above Σ¹₃, without affecting the ambient ZFC axioms. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; consistency result via explicit model construction
full rationale
The paper proves a consistency statement by constructing a model of ZFC (via forcing or inner model) in which every total Π¹₃ function has a Σ¹₃ graph. The abstract's reference to repairing the final step of an argument from a prior paper by the same author is an acknowledgment of incremental work rather than a load-bearing premise that reduces the new claim to an unverified self-citation; the repair and verification occur within the present construction. No equations, definitions, or predictions are shown to be equivalent to their inputs by construction, fitting, or renaming, and the result remains externally falsifiable through the model-theoretic argument itself.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math ZFC
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/AbsoluteFloorClosure.leanreality_from_one_distinction unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
Theorem 1.1: Assuming Con(ZFC), there is a model of ZFC in which every total Π¹₃-function has a Σ¹₃ graph. ... fixed-point method for iterations of coding forcings
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- matches
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- uses
- The paper appears to rely on the theorem as machinery.
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