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Timelike holographic probes of a black pole feel the internal sphere's cap-horizon split, not just the asymptotic BTZ geometry.

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load-bearing objection Solid computational holography: first systematic Lorentzian-branch application to the black pole, with a clean geometric effect (selected saddles track the cap–horizon transition) that is internally consistent but rests on an imported dual map. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2607.11641 v1 pith:V4H7QKSQ submitted 2026-07-13 hep-th gr-qcquant-ph

Holographic Timelike Entanglement and Subregion Complexity in Localized AdS3*S3*T4 Black Holes

Jitendra Pal , Yu Shi This is my paper
classification hep-th gr-qcquant-ph
keywords timelike entanglement entropytimelike subregion complexitylocalized black holesblack poleAdS3 × S3 × T4holographic dualitycap-horizon transition
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal T4 reserved

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The paper asks whether Lorentzian holographic probes can see localization of a black-hole horizon on an internal sphere, something that ordinary BTZ geometry erases. It studies two related observables—timelike entanglement entropy (a complex lifted area) and timelike subregion complexity (a real renormalized volume)—in the black-pole solution of asymptotic AdS3 imes S3 imes T4. Both are built from the same spacelike-plus-timelike bulk branches. In the large-radius limit the angular dependence drops out and one recovers the familiar short-interval BTZ-like behaviour. In the exact geometry the map from bulk turning point to boundary time interval becomes non-monotonic, so one must first fix the boundary interval and only then minimize. Once that is done, larger intervals force the selected branches inward toward the angular transition between the smooth cap and the localized horizon. The claim is that these timelike probes therefore register ten-dimensional localization effects that neither pure BTZ nor the asymptotic expansion can see.

Core claim

In the exact black-pole geometry, after fixed-boundary-interval selection, the selected Lorentzian branches for both timelike entanglement entropy and timelike subregion complexity move inward and become sensitive to the localized cap–horizon transition region on the internal sphere—features absent in BTZ and in the leading large-r description.

What carries the argument

Localized lifting of Lorentzian branches: solve the reduced (t,r) branch problem at a single angular label θ0, then lift the area or volume by integrating the full black-pole warp factors Ky(r,θ) and G(r,θ) over the physical internal angle θ, and select the physical saddle only among branches that share the same boundary time interval.

Load-bearing premise

The dual map is assumed to be the reduced-branch-plus-ten-dimensional-lift prescription, with the physical answer given by minimizing the real lifted area or the finite volume at fixed boundary interval.

What would settle it

Compute the same fixed-boundary-interval branches in the exact black pole and check whether, as the boundary interval grows, the selected turning points and angular labels still migrate toward the cap–horizon transition; if they remain asymptotic or show no angular preference, the central claim fails.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper computes holographic timelike entanglement entropy (complex lifted area) and timelike subregion complexity (real finite renormalized volume) for the black-pole solution of AdS3×S3×T4. Both observables are built from the same Lorentzian spacelike/timelike branch geometry. The authors adapt the localized lifting prescription of Ref. [6]: reduced (t,r) branches are solved at an angular label θ0 using F(r;θ0), H(r;θ0), then the area/volume is lifted by integrating the full Ky(r,θ), G(r,θ) over the physical angle θ. Large-r analytics recover short-interval BTZ-like formulae (log + iπ/2 for TEE; T² log for complexity). In the exact geometry the time map T(r0,θ0) becomes non-monotonic, so saddles are selected only after fixing the boundary interval and minimizing Re(A) or the finite volume. Selected branches move inward toward the cap–horizon transition θ⋆ as T grows—effects absent in BTZ and the large-r limit. Appendix A supplies a local logarithmic mechanism for the Tmax enhancement near θ⋆.

Significance. If the dual map is accepted, the work supplies a concrete, complementary pair of Lorentzian probes that detect internal-sphere localization beyond the BTZ uplift and the asymptotic regime. Strengths include closed-form large-r hypergeometric integrals, controlled UV subtractions, an explicit BTZ benchmark for the volume prescription, and a transparent local analysis (Appendix A) of the transition-region enhancement. The fixed-boundary multi-branch selection is a necessary and carefully implemented technical step once non-monotonicity appears. The results are therefore a useful extension of the recent timelike-entanglement and subregion-complexity literature to genuinely ten-dimensional localized black holes, provided the imported lifting prescription is regarded as the correct holographic dual.

major comments (2)
  1. The central claim (Abstract; §§3.4–3.5, 4.4–4.5, 5) that selected branches become sensitive to the cap–horizon transition rests entirely on the localized lifting prescription imported from the spatial RT construction of Ref. [6] and adapted to Lorentzian branches (eqs. 2.22–2.23, 3.14, 3.60–3.62, 4.1–4.5). The paper never derives this dual map from a CFT calculation or from a first-principles ten-dimensional variational principle for timelike regions. A short discussion of why the reduced-θ0-then-full-θ-lift is preferred over a fully ten-dimensional extremal surface (or an alternative angular weighting), and of how the conclusions would change if that map failed, is needed for the claim to be load-bearing.
  2. Numerical results for TEE and complexity are presented at different energy fractions (xE=0.2 in §3 vs xE=0.6 in §4). Because θ⋆, ℓ1 and ℓ2 depend on xE through τ (eqs. 2.10, 2.16), a direct comparison of the two selected saddles is not immediate. Either a common xE should be used for the main figures, or an explicit cross-check at one shared value should be added so that the claimed complementarity of the two observables is demonstrated under identical geometric parameters.
minor comments (4)
  1. Notation for the compact-space factor N=(2π)^6 V4 is introduced repeatedly (eqs. 3.38, 3.59, 4.2); a single definition in §2 would reduce clutter.
  2. Figures 8 and 19 are dense multi-panel grids; a clearer legend or a single summary panel of selected (θ∗₀,r∗₀) versus T would improve readability.
  3. The unit choice Q1=Q5=Ry=1 (eq. 2.17) is stated, but a brief remark that all plotted lengths are in these units would help readers comparing with other D1-D5 literature.
  4. A few typographical inconsistencies appear (e.g., “LocalizedAdS” in the title line, occasional missing spaces around ×). A light copy-edit pass would suffice.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: observables are computed from an external supergravity solution via an explicitly assumed lifting prescription; large-r limits recover known formulae as checks, not fits.

full rationale

The derivation chain is: (i) import the black-pole metric and Ky, G from the independent supergravity construction of Ref. [6] (different author set); (ii) write reduced Lorentzian branch equations from the effective 2d metric at fixed angular label θ0 (eqs. 2.22–2.23, 3.14); (iii) lift area/volume by integrating the full metric over physical θ (eqs. 3.60–3.62, 4.1–4.5); (iv) impose fixed-boundary-interval selection because the exact time map T(r0,θ0) is non-monotonic; (v) report that selected saddles move inward toward the cap–horizon transition. None of these steps reduces the claimed sensitivity to its own inputs by construction. The large-r regime recovers the expected short-interval logarithmic real part and constant imaginary part (eq. 3.56) and the T² log(1/T) vanishing of finite complexity (eq. 4.63) as analytic consistency checks against BTZ/short-interval formulae, not as fitted predictions. Appendix A derives the local logarithmic enhancement of Tmax near θ⋆ from the metric functions themselves. The dual map (θ0-branch then full-θ lift + fixed-T min) is an assumption imported from spatial RT in [6] and Lorentzian branch literature; that is a correctness/assumption risk, not circularity under the stated patterns. No self-definitional loop, no fitted-then-predicted quantities, no load-bearing uniqueness theorem from overlapping authors, and no renaming of a known empirical pattern. Score 0 is therefore the honest finding.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

4 free parameters · 6 axioms · 2 invented entities

The central claim rests on (i) the existence and metric form of the black-pole solution from prior supergravity work, (ii) the holographic identification of timelike EE with a complex lifted area and of timelike complexity with a finite renormalized branch volume, and (iii) the localized lift (θ0 profile, then θ integral) plus fixed-boundary minimization as the dual selection rule. Free parameters are conventional unit and energy choices that shift θ⋆ but are not fitted to produce the qualitative effect. No new particles or forces are postulated; the ‘invented’ pieces are methodological adaptations of existing dual maps.

free parameters (4)
  • xE (energy fraction E/Emax)
    Chosen by hand (0.2 for TEE plots, 0.6 for complexity plots); fixes τ, ℓ1, ℓ2 and θ⋆. Qualitative transition mechanism is argued to be local and robust, but numerical selected (θ0*, r0*) depend on this choice.
  • Unit choice Q1=Q5=Ry=1
    Sets the overall scale so ℓ²=τ/(1+τ); conventional but free.
  • Branch choice σ=−1 (minus branch)
    Only the minus branch is used for all numerics; plus branch is physical at positive energy but not scanned.
  • Radial cutoffs ϵ, Rmax, r*
    Regulators for core and UV; analytic subtractions remove leading divergences, but residual numerical dependence is not quantified with error bars.
axioms (6)
  • domain assumption Holographic duality for AdS3×S3×T4 / D1-D5 CFT identifies bulk geometric functionals with boundary entanglement and complexity observables.
    Standard AdS/CFT premise used throughout §§1–5.
  • domain assumption Timelike entanglement entropy is given by the complex area of a Lorentzian surface composed of spacelike and timelike branches (Doi et al. prescription).
    Adopted from Refs. [40,41,43]; not re-derived from a Euclidean replica path integral in this paper.
  • domain assumption Timelike subregion complexity is the finite renormalized volume of the region bounded by the same Lorentzian branches (Alishahiha / related volume prescriptions).
    Adopted from Refs. [42–44]; UV subtraction and spacelike-minus-timelike sign convention are fixed by the BTZ benchmark in §4.1.
  • domain assumption The black-pole metric functions Ky(r,θ), G(r,θ) and the source structure of Ref. [6] correctly describe the localized horizon/cap geometry.
    Geometry is imported from Bena–Dulac–Heidmann–Wei; not re-solved from the supergravity equations here.
  • ad hoc to paper Physical comparison of saddles must be performed only at fixed boundary interval T, minimizing Re(lifted area) for TEE and finite volume for complexity.
    Natural extension of minimal-area/volume logic, but the precise selection rule (especially minimizing only the real part while evaluating Im on the same surface) is a modeling choice of this paper (§§3.4, 4.4).
  • standard math Standard calculus of variations and conserved momenta for cyclic t yield the first-order branch slopes (3.14a–b).
    Ordinary Lagrangian mechanics on the reduced 2d metric.
invented entities (2)
  • Localized timelike lifting prescription (θ0 branch profile + θ lift) no independent evidence
    purpose: Adapt the spatial localized RT lift of Ref. [6] to Lorentzian spacelike/timelike branches so that internal angular structure enters the area/volume.
    Methodological adaptation rather than a new physical field; independent evidence would require a matching CFT calculation of timelike EE/complexity in the dual of the black pole, which is not provided.
  • Fixed-boundary-interval multi-branch selection for non-monotonic T(r0,θ0) no independent evidence
    purpose: Define a unique boundary observable when multiple radial roots and angular labels share the same T.
    Operational rule needed by the exact geometry; not independently verified against a boundary computation.

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We study timelike entanglement entropy and timelike subregion complexity in localized black holes with asymptotic AdS3*S3*T4 geometry, focusing on the black-pole solution. Unlike the BTZ solution, the black pole exhibits a nontrivial dependence on the internal sphere through the functions $K_y(r,\theta)$ and $G(r,\theta)$. Both observables are constructed from spacelike and timelike Lorentzian branches, but they probe the geometry in different ways: timelike entanglement yields a complex lifted area, while timelike complexity gives a real, finite renormalized volume. We employ a localized timelike prescription in which the branch profile is built at an angular label $\theta_0$ and subsequently lifted over the physical internal angle $\theta$. In the large-$r$ regime, the leading angular dependence drops out, recovering the expected short-interval behaviour. In the exact black-pole geometry, the temporal families become non-monotonic, making a fixed-boundary-interval selection essential. As the boundary interval increases, the selected branches move inward and become sensitive to the localized cap-horizon transition region. These results demonstrate that timelike Lorentzian observables probe localized-geometry effects that are absent in BTZ and in the leading large-$r$ description.

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