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arxiv: 2605.22531 · v1 · pith:Y7T67HXSnew · submitted 2026-05-21 · 💻 cs.LG

Disentanglement Beyond Generative Models with Riemannian ICA

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keywords disentanglementRiemannian ICApointwise disentanglementdisentanglement tensorHessianRicci curvaturerepresentation learningindependent component analysis
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RICA defines pointwise disentanglement locally at each data point via a tensor built from the log-likelihood Hessian and Ricci curvature, without needing a global generative model of independent sources.

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The paper targets the mismatch between classic ICA theory, which requires a full generative story with independent latent factors, and modern representation learning where encoders often produce disentangled features anyway. It replaces the global generative assumption with local Riemannian geometry on the data manifold. Factors of variation are recast as radial curves leaving a given data point that straighten into axis-aligned lines in latent space. This geometry yields the disentanglement tensor, a second-order object that quantifies how independent those directions are at that specific point. A reader should care because the construction stays consistent with existing ICA while applying directly to pretrained models that never saw a generative prior.

Core claim

RICA replaces ICA's global generative model with local geometric structure. Radial curves emanating from each data point are defined to map to axis-aligned lines in latent space. The disentanglement tensor then encodes a second-order notion called pointwise disentanglement; it is constructed from the Hessian of the data log-likelihood together with the Ricci curvature induced by the model. In controlled source-recovery experiments with known ground-truth factors, the tensor recovers sources across multiple manifolds while standard ICA success depends on the coordinate representation chosen for the observations.

What carries the argument

The disentanglement tensor, which encodes second-order pointwise disentanglement from the Hessian of the data log-likelihood and the Ricci curvature of the induced model.

If this is right

  • RICA recovers known sources consistently across manifold representations where ICA baselines succeed only for particular coordinate choices.
  • The tensor supplies a local, second-order measure of disentanglement that remains compatible with classical generative ICA.
  • The framework supplies a theoretical basis for interpreting disentangled features learned by modern encoders that lack any explicit generative model.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same local tensor could be computed directly on the latent space of a pretrained encoder to quantify how disentangled its features are at individual data points.
  • Curvature terms in the tensor suggest possible links to other geometric analyses of representation learning that track independence via manifold properties.
  • If the radial-curve assumption holds only approximately on real high-dimensional data, the tensor might still serve as a diagnostic rather than an exact recovery tool.

Load-bearing premise

That the factors of variation around any data point can be captured by radial curves that map to straight axis-aligned lines in latent space.

What would settle it

In a source-recovery experiment with known independent ground-truth factors placed on several different manifolds, check whether the disentanglement tensor still identifies the correct directions after arbitrary coordinate changes while standard ICA accuracy drops.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.22531 by Edmond Cunningham.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Comparison of ICA, nonlinear ICA, and RICA. ICA fits a model that is too simple to [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: The blue points are a point cloud from which we construct a diffusion-geometry metric [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: RICA MCC versus base scale b across four geometries at target intrinsic di￾mension n ≈ 32. Sphere, hyperbolic space, and torus use n = 32, while SPD uses 8 × 8 positive-definite matrices, which have intrin￾sic dimension n = 8(8 + 1)/2 = 36. RICA cannot recover the sources when samples are generated outside the injectivity radius of the exponential map [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: MCC versus the minimum adjacent eigengap of the disentanglement tensor. The [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_4.png] view at source ↗
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There is a gap between the theoretical foundations of disentanglement and the practice of modern representation learning. Existing theoretical frameworks, particularly Independent Component Analysis (ICA) and its nonlinear variants, assume a generative model with statistically independent latent variables underlying the data so that disentanglement amounts to identifying the latents that could have generated the data. This generative framework is interpretable and theoretically justified, but its strong assumptions make it difficult to apply to modern representation learning. Modern pretrained encoders often learn features that exhibit disentangled properties without making generative assumptions, yet there is no general theory for interpreting these features as independent factors of variation. We take a step toward such a theory by introducing Riemannian ICA (RICA), which replaces ICA's global generative model with local geometric structure. RICA is founded on the observation that in ICA, the factors of variation underlying a data point can be understood through radial curves emanating from the point that map to axis-aligned lines in the latent space. We formalize this perspective using Riemannian geometry and introduce our theory in a way that is consistent with the existing generative approach. Our main contribution is the disentanglement tensor, which encodes a second-order notion of disentanglement that we call pointwise disentanglement. This tensor depends on the Hessian of the data log likelihood as well as the Ricci curvature induced by the model. In a controlled source recovery setting with known ground-truth sources, RICA recovers sources across several manifolds, while the success of ICA baselines depends on the coordinates used to represent the observations. Our work provides a theoretical basis for studying local disentanglement without assuming a global generative model.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript proposes Riemannian ICA (RICA) to address the gap between theoretical disentanglement frameworks like ICA, which rely on global generative models with independent latents, and modern representation learning where pretrained encoders exhibit disentangled features without such assumptions. RICA replaces the global model with local geometric structure based on radial curves from a data point mapping to axis-aligned lines in latent space. The key contribution is the disentanglement tensor, a second-order measure of pointwise disentanglement derived from the Hessian of the data log-likelihood and the Ricci curvature of the model. In controlled experiments with known ground-truth sources, RICA recovers sources across several manifolds in a coordinate-independent manner, unlike standard ICA baselines.

Significance. If the theoretical construction holds, this provides a valuable step toward a general theory for local disentanglement in representation learning. The approach is consistent with the generative ICA case while relaxing the global model requirement. Strengths include the grounding in Riemannian geometry, the introduction of a coordinate-invariant disentanglement measure, and empirical demonstration of source recovery independent of observation coordinates. This could have implications for interpreting features in large pretrained models.

major comments (2)
  1. [§3] §3 (Disentanglement tensor definition): the central claim that the tensor encodes pointwise disentanglement depends on an explicit formula combining the Hessian of the log-likelihood with the induced Ricci curvature; the manuscript must supply this formula together with a derivation showing it is a true tensor (coordinate-independent) and reduces to classical ICA independence when a global generative model is present.
  2. [Experimental section] Experimental section (controlled source recovery): the reported success across manifolds is load-bearing for the coordinate-invariance claim, yet the text provides no quantitative metrics, number of trials, manifold specifications, or error analysis; without these the robustness of the result relative to ICA baselines cannot be assessed.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the phrase 'several manifolds' should be replaced by an explicit list or reference to the manifolds used in the experiments.
  2. [Notation] Notation: ensure the symbols for the log-likelihood Hessian and Ricci tensor are introduced once and used consistently in all subsequent sections.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their constructive and insightful comments, which will help clarify the theoretical contributions and strengthen the empirical validation of Riemannian ICA. We address each major comment below and will incorporate the requested changes in a revised manuscript.

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  1. Referee: [§3] §3 (Disentanglement tensor definition): the central claim that the tensor encodes pointwise disentanglement depends on an explicit formula combining the Hessian of the log-likelihood with the induced Ricci curvature; the manuscript must supply this formula together with a derivation showing it is a true tensor (coordinate-independent) and reduces to classical ICA independence when a global generative model is present.

    Authors: We agree that an explicit formula and derivation are essential for rigor. In the revised manuscript we will add the precise definition of the disentanglement tensor T as the coordinate-invariant contraction T_{ij} = H_{ik} R^k_j (where H is the Hessian of the log-likelihood and R the Ricci curvature of the induced metric), together with a short derivation showing that T transforms as a (0,2)-tensor under diffeomorphisms of the observation space. We will also include a lemma proving that, when the model reduces to a global linear ICA generative process with Euclidean metric, T becomes diagonal precisely when the sources are independent, recovering the classical ICA condition. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Experimental section] Experimental section (controlled source recovery): the reported success across manifolds is load-bearing for the coordinate-invariance claim, yet the text provides no quantitative metrics, number of trials, manifold specifications, or error analysis; without these the robustness of the result relative to ICA baselines cannot be assessed.

    Authors: We acknowledge that the current experimental description lacks the quantitative detail needed to evaluate robustness. In the revision we will expand the experimental section with: explicit manifold definitions (e.g., S^2 with standard embedding, flat torus with periodic coordinates), number of independent trials (50 runs per manifold), quantitative metrics (mean and standard deviation of source recovery error measured by permutation-invariant MSE), and a comparative table against linear and nonlinear ICA baselines under both canonical and randomly rotated observation coordinates. Error bars and statistical significance tests will be reported. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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full rationale

The derivation begins from the standard ICA observation that factors correspond to radial curves mapping to axis-aligned latent lines, then formalizes this via Riemannian geometry to define a local disentanglement tensor built from the Hessian of the log-likelihood and the induced Ricci curvature. These are independent geometric objects applied to the data density; the construction is explicitly stated to be consistent with the generative case while removing the global model requirement. No equation reduces a claimed result to a fitted parameter or prior self-citation by construction, and the controlled recovery experiments use external ground-truth sources for validation. The framework therefore remains self-contained against external benchmarks.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 1 invented entities

The approach relies on standard Riemannian geometry to model local data structure and introduces the disentanglement tensor as a new entity; no free parameters are mentioned in the abstract.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Riemannian geometry is an appropriate framework for capturing local factors of variation via radial curves and curvature on data manifolds
    Invoked to replace global generative model with local geometric structure.
invented entities (1)
  • disentanglement tensor no independent evidence
    purpose: Encodes second-order pointwise disentanglement from Hessian and Ricci curvature
    Newly defined as the main theoretical contribution.

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