pith. sign in

arxiv: 2309.14322 · v2 · pith:647CWRTCnew · submitted 2023-09-25 · 💻 cs.LG

Small-scale proxies for large-scale Transformer training instabilities

classification 💻 cs.LG
keywords traininginstabilitieslearningscaleslargemodelsrateacross
0
0 comments X
read the original abstract

Teams that have trained large Transformer-based models have reported training instabilities at large scale that did not appear when training with the same hyperparameters at smaller scales. Although the causes of such instabilities are of scientific interest, the amount of resources required to reproduce them has made investigation difficult. In this work, we seek ways to reproduce and study training stability and instability at smaller scales. First, we focus on two sources of training instability described in previous work: the growth of logits in attention layers (Dehghani et al., 2023) and divergence of the output logits from the log probabilities (Chowdhery et al., 2022). By measuring the relationship between learning rate and loss across scales, we show that these instabilities also appear in small models when training at high learning rates, and that mitigations previously employed at large scales are equally effective in this regime. This prompts us to investigate the extent to which other known optimizer and model interventions influence the sensitivity of the final loss to changes in the learning rate. To this end, we study methods such as warm-up, weight decay, and the $\mu$Param (Yang et al., 2022), and combine techniques to train small models that achieve similar losses across orders of magnitude of learning rate variation. Finally, to conclude our exploration we study two cases where instabilities can be predicted before they emerge by examining the scaling behavior of model activation and gradient norms.

This paper has not been read by Pith yet.

discussion (0)

Sign in with ORCID, Apple, or X to comment. Anyone can read and Pith papers without signing in.

Forward citations

Cited by 15 Pith papers

Reviewed papers in the Pith corpus that reference this work. Sorted by Pith novelty score.

  1. Massive Activations in Large Language Models

    cs.CL 2024-02 unverdicted novelty 7.0

    Massive activations are constant large values in LLMs that function as indispensable bias terms and concentrate attention probabilities on specific tokens.

  2. Improving Neural Network Training by Decoupling the Magnitude and Direction of Weight Vectors

    cs.LG 2026-06 unverdicted novelty 6.0

    MD Decoupling factorizes weights into fixed-norm directions and learnable per-row/column magnitudes updated at independent rates, improving Adam and Muon training stability and scale transfer without weight decay or warmup.

  3. Integrable Elasticity via Neural Demand Potentials

    cs.LG 2026-05 unverdicted novelty 6.0

    ICDN is a neural network that models log-demand from log-prices so elasticities can be derived exactly by differentiation, showing better out-of-sample performance than log-log benchmarks on beer sales data.

  4. Less Data, Faster Training: repeating smaller datasets speeds up learning via sampling biases

    cs.LG 2026-05 unverdicted novelty 6.0

    Repeating smaller datasets speeds up training via sampling biases that enable appropriate layer-wise growth, leading to compute savings over larger datasets across tasks and architectures.

  5. Representations Before Pixels: Semantics-Guided Hierarchical Video Prediction

    cs.CV 2026-04 unverdicted novelty 6.0

    Re2Pix decomposes video prediction into semantic feature forecasting followed by representation-conditioned diffusion synthesis, with nested dropout and mixed supervision to handle prediction errors.

  6. When Attention Sink Emerges in Language Models: An Empirical View

    cs.CL 2024-10 accept novelty 6.0

    Attention sinks emerge in language models from softmax-induced token dependence on attention scores and do not appear when using sigmoid attention without normalization in models up to 1B parameters.

  7. DataComp-LM: In search of the next generation of training sets for language models

    cs.LG 2024-06 unverdicted novelty 6.0

    DCLM-Baseline dataset lets a 7B model reach 64% 5-shot MMLU accuracy after 2.6T tokens, beating prior open-data models by 6.6 points on MMLU with 40% less compute.

  8. Chameleon: Mixed-Modal Early-Fusion Foundation Models

    cs.CL 2024-05 unverdicted novelty 6.0

    Chameleon is an early-fusion token model that handles mixed image-text sequences for understanding and generation, achieving competitive or superior performance to larger models like Llama-2, Mixtral, and Gemini-Pro o...

  9. MiniCPM: Unveiling the Potential of Small Language Models with Scalable Training Strategies

    cs.CL 2024-04 conditional novelty 6.0

    MiniCPM 1.2B and 2.4B models reach parity with 7B-13B LLMs via model wind-tunnel scaling and a WSD scheduler that yields a higher optimal data-to-model ratio than Chinchilla scaling.

  10. Pion: A Spectrum-Preserving Optimizer via Orthogonal Equivalence Transformation

    cs.LG 2026-05 unverdicted novelty 5.0

    Pion is an optimizer that preserves the singular values of weight matrices in LLM training by applying orthogonal equivalence transformations.

  11. Kimi K2: Open Agentic Intelligence

    cs.LG 2025-07 unverdicted novelty 5.0

    Kimi K2 is a 1-trillion-parameter MoE model that leads open-source non-thinking models on agentic benchmarks including 65.8 on SWE-Bench Verified and 66.1 on Tau2-Bench.

  12. Show-o: One Single Transformer to Unify Multimodal Understanding and Generation

    cs.CV 2024-08 unverdicted novelty 5.0

    Show-o unifies autoregressive and discrete diffusion modeling inside one transformer to support multimodal understanding and generation tasks with competitive benchmark performance.

  13. Gemini 2.5: Pushing the Frontier with Advanced Reasoning, Multimodality, Long Context, and Next Generation Agentic Capabilities

    cs.CL 2025-07 unverdicted novelty 4.0

    Gemini 2.5 Pro and Flash models are presented as achieving frontier performance in reasoning, coding, and long-context multimodal tasks while spanning a cost-capability Pareto curve.

  14. Gemma 3 Technical Report

    cs.CL 2025-03 accept novelty 4.0

    Gemma 3 introduces multimodal open models with architectural changes for efficient long context, trained via distillation and a new post-training recipe that makes the 4B version competitive with prior 27B models and ...

  15. Cosmos World Foundation Model Platform for Physical AI

    cs.CV 2025-01 unverdicted novelty 3.0

    The Cosmos platform supplies open-source pre-trained world models and supporting tools for building fine-tunable digital world simulations to train Physical AI.