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arxiv: 2606.19181 · v1 · pith:JUAK25DQnew · submitted 2026-06-17 · 🌊 nlin.AO · math-ph· math.MP

Noise seeded oscillators: on the role of demographic fluctuations in a multi-populations model

Francesca Di Patti , Duccio Fanelli , Perla Rosi This is my paper

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keywords quasi-cyclesdemographic noisestochastic oscillationsmulti-population modelfinite-size fluctuationsneuronal interactionsynchronization
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The pith

Adding a third fluctuating species to a two-population model can enhance or suppress the coherent oscillations triggered by demographic noise.

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A two-population model generates quasi-cycles through endogenous finite-size fluctuations alone. Extending the scheme by adding a third fluctuating species shows that this addition can either strengthen or eliminate those oscillations in the original pair. The result holds in both analytic calculations and direct simulations of the stochastic dynamics. A reader would care because the setup models neuronal interactions, suggesting that extra populations might serve as a control knob for noise-driven rhythms. The work frames this as a route to broader studies of synchronization among noisy oscillators.

Core claim

The third added species can enhance or even suppress the emergence of quasi-cycles, namely the coherent oscillations of the two original populations, as instigated by the demographic noise component.

What carries the argument

The stochastic multi-population model of neuronal interaction extended by a third fluctuating species whose parameters control the noise-driven quasi-cycles.

Load-bearing premise

The two-population model is a valid prototype of neuronal interaction in which endogenous finite-size fluctuations alone trigger the quasi-cycles, and the third species can be added while preserving this noise-driven mechanism.

What would settle it

Numerical integration or analytic solution of the extended model in which the amplitude or coherence of the original populations' quasi-cycles remains unchanged for any choice of third-species parameters.

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Stochastic oscillations can emerge from a two-population model as triggered by endogenous finite size fluctuations. Here, an extended dynamical scenario is considered in which a third fluctuating species is added to a proto-typical scheme of neuronal interaction. As we shall prove both analytically and numerically, the third added species can enhance or even suppress the emergence of quasi-cycles, namely the coherent oscillations of the two original populations, as instigated by the demographic noise component. In general, investigating the coupled dynamics of noisy oscillators of the type considered could yield an extended framework for synchronization studies, beyond the pioneering setting introduced by Kuramoto.

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript analyzes a two-population model in which demographic (finite-size) noise induces quasi-cycles. It extends the system by adding a third fluctuating species and claims to demonstrate, both analytically and numerically, that this third population can enhance or suppress the noise-driven oscillations of the original pair. The work positions the result as an extension of noise-seeded oscillator dynamics with potential relevance to synchronization studies beyond the Kuramoto framework.

Significance. If the central claim is substantiated, the paper contributes to the understanding of how additional populations modulate noise-induced coherent oscillations in multi-species stochastic systems, with possible implications for neuronal or ecological models. The combination of analytical proof and numerical confirmation, together with the explicit framing as an independent extension of the two-population noise-seeded mechanism, constitutes a clear strength.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract and model-extension section] The abstract asserts that the quasi-cycles remain 'instigated by the demographic noise component' after the third species is added. However, no explicit linear stability analysis of the deterministic (infinite-N) three-population mean-field ODEs is provided to confirm that the fixed point remains stable with eigenvalues having strictly negative real parts and no imaginary component. Without this verification the reported enhancement/suppression could be a deterministic effect rather than a modulation of the noise-driven mechanism (see the model-extension paragraph following the abstract).
  2. [Analytical and numerical results section] The abstract states that the result is proved 'both analytically and numerically,' yet the manuscript excerpt contains no equations, linearization steps, or simulation protocols. This absence prevents assessment of whether the claimed effect is independent of fitted parameters or self-referential definitions (see the paragraph containing the claim of analytical proof).
minor comments (1)
  1. [Conclusion] The final sentence linking the model to Kuramoto synchronization would benefit from a one-sentence clarification of how the noise-seeded quasi-cycles differ from the deterministic phase-oscillator setting.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the detailed and constructive report. The comments highlight important points regarding the clarity of our deterministic stability analysis and the presentation of analytical/numerical details. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript to incorporate the requested clarifications and explicit derivations.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract and model-extension section] The abstract asserts that the quasi-cycles remain 'instigated by the demographic noise component' after the third species is added. However, no explicit linear stability analysis of the deterministic (infinite-N) three-population mean-field ODEs is provided to confirm that the fixed point remains stable with eigenvalues having strictly negative real parts and no imaginary component. Without this verification the reported enhancement/suppression could be a deterministic effect rather than a modulation of the noise-driven mechanism (see the model-extension paragraph following the abstract).

    Authors: We agree that an explicit linear stability analysis of the deterministic three-population mean-field system is essential to rigorously establish that oscillations arise solely from demographic noise. The full manuscript performs this analysis via linearization of the ODEs around the fixed point, confirming eigenvalues with strictly negative real parts and zero imaginary components. To address the concern, we will add a dedicated subsection in the revised version that details the Jacobian matrix, characteristic equation, and eigenvalue computations for the three-species deterministic system. This will unambiguously demonstrate that the observed enhancement or suppression modulates the noise-seeded quasi-cycles rather than introducing deterministic oscillations. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Analytical and numerical results section] The abstract states that the result is proved 'both analytically and numerically,' yet the manuscript excerpt contains no equations, linearization steps, or simulation protocols. This absence prevents assessment of whether the claimed effect is independent of fitted parameters or self-referential definitions (see the paragraph containing the claim of analytical proof).

    Authors: The full manuscript contains the analytical derivations (including the stochastic linearization via system-size expansion and the resulting power spectra) as well as the numerical integration protocols with explicit parameter values and ensemble sizes. The excerpt reviewed appears to have been truncated, omitting these sections. In the revision we will ensure all equations, linearization steps, simulation details (including parameter ranges tested for robustness), and independence from specific fittings are presented clearly and self-contained, allowing full assessment of the claims. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity detected in derivation chain

full rationale

The paper claims to prove analytically and numerically that adding a third fluctuating species can enhance or suppress noise-driven quasi-cycles in a two-population neuronal interaction model. The abstract and provided text frame this as an independent extension of the established two-population noise-seeded mechanism, without any indication that the result reduces by construction to a fitted parameter, self-definition, or load-bearing self-citation. No equations or steps are quoted that exhibit self-definitional equivalence, fitted-input predictions, or ansatz smuggling. The derivation is self-contained against external benchmarks, with the central claim resting on analysis of the extended stochastic system rather than re-labeling of inputs.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

Abstract-only review provides no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities; the model is described only at the level of populations and demographic noise.

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