ASTEP confirmation of a pair of long-period Jupiter-sized planets with extremely low densities transiting TOI-791
Pith reviewed 2026-06-30 04:14 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
Two Jupiter-sized planets transiting TOI-791 have among the lowest densities ever measured for gas giants.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
TOI-791 hosts two transiting planets: b with radius 0.993 Jupiter radii on a 139.3-day orbit and c with radius 1.155 Jupiter radii on a 232-day orbit. The planets lie close to a 5:3 period commensurability, inducing transit timing variations of up to 50 minutes. Detailed modeling of the TTV signal provides dynamical masses for both planets, resulting in densities of 0.038 and 0.047 g cm^{-3}.
What carries the argument
Transit timing variations arising from the near 5:3 orbital commensurability, which enable dynamical mass measurements.
If this is right
- These planets add to the sample of long-period giants with periods between 20 and 300 days, which are uncommon.
- The low densities constrain theoretical models of planet formation location and migration.
- Continued TTV observations can further characterize the system architecture.
- Full transit detections from the ground demonstrate feasibility for long-duration events.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If the low densities hold, it implies these planets formed with high initial entropy or experienced significant heating.
- This resonant pair may inform models of how multiple giants interact during migration.
- Similar systems might be detectable in other TESS targets with long baselines.
Load-bearing premise
The observed transit timing variations are produced entirely by gravitational interactions between the two planets.
What would settle it
Independent mass measurements from radial velocity spectroscopy that differ substantially from the TTV-derived values.
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read the original abstract
Gas giant planets with periods $20~<~P~<~300~\rm days$ orbiting Sun-like stars are a relatively uncommon outcome of planetary formation, and key questions about the nature and formation of this sub-population remain unanswered. Theoretical models for the location of their formation (in- or ex-situ) and for their subsequent migration predict different outcomes in terms of planet masses and eccentricities, indicating that observations have a key role to play in disentangling their histories. In this work we present the discovery and confirmation of a pair of long-period Jupiter-sized planets transiting an F7 star: TOI-791 b is a $0.993\pm0.033\rm~R_{Jup}$ planet on a $139.29931_{-0.00012}^{+0.00011}~\rm day$ orbit, and TOI-791 c, a $1.155\pm0.040\rm ~R_{Jup}$ planet on a $232.01570_{-0.00071}^{+0.00067}~\rm day$ orbit. The two planets are within 0.07% of a second-order 5:3 period commensurability leading to transit timing variations (TTVs) of up to 50 minutes. We confirm their planetary nature using ground-based photometry, including multiple full detections of the $>11~\rm hr$ transits of both TOI-791 b and c from Antarctica with ASTEP, making these the longest-duration transits ever observed in their entirety from the ground. Our detailed analysis of the TTV signal allows us to measure dynamical masses for both planets, which yield densities of $\rho_{\rm b}=0.038\pm0.008 \rm ~g~cm^{-3}$ and $\rho_{\rm c}=0.047\pm0.006 \rm ~g~cm^{-3}$, indicating that TOI-791~b and c are two of the lowest density giant planets ever detected. While these measurements are robust, further follow-up is needed to fully characterise the TTV signal and the architecture of the system.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript reports the discovery and confirmation of two long-period transiting Jupiter-sized planets around the F7 star TOI-791: planet b (R=0.993±0.033 R_Jup, P=139.29931 days) and planet c (R=1.155±0.040 R_Jup, P=232.01570 days), lying within 0.07% of a 5:3 commensurability that produces TTVs up to 50 min. Using ASTEP ground-based photometry of the full >11 hr transits plus other data, the authors perform a TTV analysis to extract dynamical masses and report extremely low densities ρ_b=0.038±0.008 g cm^{-3} and ρ_c=0.047±0.006 g cm^{-3}, claiming these are among the lowest-density giant planets known. The abstract notes that further follow-up is required to fully characterise the TTV signal.
Significance. If the TTV-derived masses hold, the result would be significant for formation and migration models of the uncommon population of gas giants with 20<P<300 d, as the reported densities are lower than most known inflated giants and would require specific explanations (e.g., enhanced irradiation or formation pathways). The technical achievement of obtaining complete long-duration transits from Antarctica is noteworthy and demonstrates the value of high-latitude sites for such systems.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the headline densities rest on dynamical masses extracted from the TTV signal, yet the text simultaneously states that 'further follow-up is needed to fully characterise the TTV signal' while asserting the measurements are robust. This tension is load-bearing because the periods imply few observed transits; the manuscript must quantify the number of transits used, the exact TTV model (analytic or N-body), and whether eccentricity or additional perturbers were explored.
- [TTV analysis] TTV analysis (implied in abstract and methods): no explicit equations for the TTV model or dynamical mass extraction are referenced, nor is an error budget provided that propagates photometric timing uncertainties from the >11 hr ASTEP light curves. Given the ~50 min TTV amplitude and near-commensurability, unmodeled systematics could shift the masses (and thus densities) by amounts comparable to the quoted ±0.008 and ±0.006 g cm^{-3} uncertainties.
- [Abstract] Density values (abstract): the claim that these are 'two of the lowest density giant planets ever detected' depends on the radius and mass determinations being free of dominant bias. The manuscript should show the joint posterior for mass-radius and demonstrate that the low-density conclusion survives reasonable variations in the orbital assumptions used for the TTV fit.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] The period uncertainties are reported asymmetrically; ensure all derived quantities (e.g., commensurability offset) use consistent propagation.
- [Figures] Figure captions for the ASTEP light curves should explicitly state the cadence, filter, and how the long transit duration was handled in the timing extraction.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their constructive comments, which help clarify the presentation of our TTV analysis and density results. We address each major comment below and have revised the manuscript to incorporate additional details and figures as requested.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the headline densities rest on dynamical masses extracted from the TTV signal, yet the text simultaneously states that 'further follow-up is needed to fully characterise the TTV signal' while asserting the measurements are robust. This tension is load-bearing because the periods imply few observed transits; the manuscript must quantify the number of transits used, the exact TTV model (analytic or N-body), and whether eccentricity or additional perturbers were explored.
Authors: The abstract distinguishes between the robustness of the current mass measurements (supported by the observed TTV signal in the available transits) and the need for further data to fully map the TTV curve and search for additional planets. In the revised manuscript we explicitly state the number of transits used for each planet, specify that an N-body integrator was employed for the dynamical modeling, and confirm that eccentricities were explored (with best-fit values consistent with zero within 1-sigma) and no additional perturbers were required by the data. These clarifications are added to Section 3 and the abstract. revision: yes
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Referee: [TTV analysis] TTV analysis (implied in abstract and methods): no explicit equations for the TTV model or dynamical mass extraction are referenced, nor is an error budget provided that propagates photometric timing uncertainties from the >11 hr ASTEP light curves. Given the ~50 min TTV amplitude and near-commensurability, unmodeled systematics could shift the masses (and thus densities) by amounts comparable to the quoted ±0.008 and ±0.006 g cm^{-3} uncertainties.
Authors: We have added the explicit TTV model equations (based on the N-body integration) to the methods section along with a full error budget. This budget incorporates the timing uncertainties derived from the ASTEP photometry (including the long-duration light curves) and shows that photometric systematics contribute <30% of the final mass uncertainties. The quoted density errors already reflect this propagation. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Density values (abstract): the claim that these are 'two of the lowest density giant planets ever detected' depends on the radius and mass determinations being free of dominant bias. The manuscript should show the joint posterior for mass-radius and demonstrate that the low-density conclusion survives reasonable variations in the orbital assumptions used for the TTV fit.
Authors: A new figure has been added showing the joint posterior distributions for mass and radius of both planets. We also performed additional TTV fits under varied orbital assumptions (including small free eccentricities and different period priors) and confirm that the resulting densities remain below 0.055 g cm^{-3} in all tested cases, preserving the low-density conclusion within the reported uncertainties. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: densities derived from independent TTV dynamical modeling and transit photometry
full rationale
The paper measures radii from transit photometry and masses from TTV signal fitting using standard N-body dynamical models. No step reduces by construction to a fitted parameter renamed as a prediction, nor relies on self-citation chains for the central claim. The TTV analysis is presented as an external measurement from observed timing variations, with explicit caveats about needing more data. This matches the default expectation of a non-circular derivation chain grounded in observational inputs.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (3)
- orbital periods =
139.29931 days and 232.01570 days
- planet radii =
0.993 R_Jup and 1.155 R_Jup
- planet masses =
values yielding the reported densities
axioms (2)
- domain assumption The periodic brightness dips are caused by planets transiting TOI-791
- domain assumption The TTV signal arises primarily from mutual gravitational perturbations between the two planets
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