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arxiv: 2311.10949 · v2 · submitted 2023-11-18 · 🌌 astro-ph.SR · astro-ph.IM

Mass ratio estimates for overcontact binaries using the derivatives of light curves

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Photometric mass ratios of overcontact binaries are estimated directly from the time interval between extrema in the third derivative of the light curve.

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The paper proposes a method for estimating the photometric mass ratio of overcontact binaries by measuring the time interval between two local extrema in the third derivative of the light curve. This provides a non-iterative approach with an associated uncertainty. Testing on observed systems showed agreement with spectroscopic mass ratios within uncertainties for roughly 67 percent of the sample, and errors within plus or minus 0.1 for 95 percent. The technique is positioned as useful for handling large numbers of such binaries from surveys.

Core claim

The photometric mass ratio of an overcontact binary is encoded in the time interval between two local extrema in the third derivative of its light curve, allowing a direct estimation with associated uncertainty that does not require iterative procedures or additional parameters.

What carries the argument

The time interval between two local extrema in the third derivative of the light curve, which carries the information about the mass ratio.

If this is right

  • Mass ratios can be estimated quickly for many overcontact binaries detected in photometric surveys.
  • The estimates come with uncertainty values that allow direct comparison to spectroscopic results.
  • No iterative procedure is needed, simplifying analysis for large numbers of individual systems.
  • The method shows agreement with independent spectroscopic determinations within uncertainties for most tested cases.

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  • The approach could supply initial mass ratio values for thousands of systems in future survey catalogs.
  • If the third-derivative feature proves robust across datasets, it might aid in preliminary classification of binary types.
  • Testing the interval measurement on synthetic light curves with known mass ratios would provide an independent check on accuracy.

Load-bearing premise

The time interval between two local extrema in the third derivative of the light curve alone encodes the photometric mass ratio for overcontact binaries with sufficient accuracy and without requiring iterative modeling or additional parameters.

What would settle it

A large sample where estimated mass ratios deviate from spectroscopic values by more than the stated uncertainties in substantially more than one-third of cases.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2311.10949 by Shinjirou Kouzuma.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Example of a synthetic LC (the uppermost panel) and its first to third derivatives (the second to fourth panels, respectively) for an overcontact binary with q = 0.35, P = 1 day, Mp = 1.5 M⊙, i = 90◦ , Tp = 5000 K, Ts = 6000 K, and f = 0.2. The values of the flux and the first to third derivatives are in units of W m−2 , 10 W m−2 day−1 , 102 W m−2 day−2 , and 104 W m−2 day−3 , respectively. 0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: The relation between W (Equation (1)) and mass ratio q, calculated from our synthesized LCs (see Section 2). The red, green, blue, and brown crosses represent binaries with i = 90◦ , 80◦ , 70◦ , and 60◦ , respectively. The solid line is the regression line, accompanied by a pair of parallel dashed lines for reference, with mass ratios of larger and smaller by 0.1 than the regression line. method can predic… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Comparison between our photometric and the lit￾erature’s spectroscopic mass ratios. The red solid and broken lines show qph = qsp and qph = qsp ± 0.1, respectively. (Lightkurve Collaboration et al. 2018); LCs for 126 bi￾naries were found. When two or more LCs were found for a binary, the better-quality one was selected in such a manner that its derivatives were less noisy and smoother than the other one. A… view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: shows a schematic view of a binary from an ob￾server at the key time t ′ 32. This is a moment immediately after the ratio of change in the luminosity becomes the minimum. In other words, it is a moment immediately after the common chord of the projected surfaces (i.e., circles) of the two stars becomes equal to the diameter of the smaller star, which is the maximum value that the common chord can take. Acc… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Comparison of synthesized LCs (uppermost panel) and their third derivatives (middle panel) for overcontact binaries with l3 = 0 (purple circles), 0.2 (green triangles), and 0.8 (blue squares), where l3 is the ratio of the third light to the total light. The top figure corresponds to binaries with i = 90◦ and q = 0.35, while the bottom figure corresponds to binaries with i = 70◦ and q = 0.15. The other bina… view at source ↗
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The photometric mass ratios of eclipsing binaries are usually estimated by light-curve modeling with an iterative method. We propose a new method for estimating the photometric mass ratio of an overcontact binary using the derivatives of a light curve, which provides a reasonable uncertainty value. The method mainly requires only the time interval value between two local extrema found in the third derivative of a light curve, with no need of an iterative procedure. We applied the method to a sample of real overcontact binary data and compared the estimated mass ratios with their spectroscopically determined values. The comparison showed that our estimated mass ratios for $\sim $67% of the samples agreed with their spectroscopic mass ratios within the estimated uncertainties, and the errors for 95% of them are within $\pm 0.1$. Our method should be useful for estimating mass ratios for numerous overcontact eclipsing binaries found with existing and future surveys, as well as for the light-curve analysis of each system.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper proposes a derivative-based method to estimate photometric mass ratios of overcontact binaries from the time interval between local extrema in the third derivative of the light curve. This non-iterative approach is applied to real systems and compared to spectroscopic mass ratios, reporting agreement within uncertainties for ~67% of the sample and errors within ±0.1 for 95%.

Significance. If the time-interval measure proves independent of other parameters, the method could enable rapid mass-ratio estimates for large photometric surveys without full light-curve modeling. The empirical comparison provides initial support, but the absence of controlled tests limits claims of broad applicability.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the headline agreement rates (67% within uncertainties; 95% within ±0.1) rest on the untested premise that the measured time interval between third-derivative extrema is a function of q alone. No synthetic-light-curve experiments are described in which q is fixed while inclination, temperature ratio, and fill-out factor are varied across plausible ranges.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract: the manuscript provides no derivation of the mass-ratio relation from the third-derivative interval, no error-propagation steps, and no discussion of selection effects or how the empirical mapping was constructed from the sample.
minor comments (1)
  1. The abstract would be clearer if it stated the sample size used for the spectroscopic comparison.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the detailed review and constructive suggestions. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript accordingly to strengthen the validation and documentation of the method.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the headline agreement rates (67% within uncertainties; 95% within ±0.1) rest on the untested premise that the measured time interval between third-derivative extrema is a function of q alone. No synthetic-light-curve experiments are described in which q is fixed while inclination, temperature ratio, and fill-out factor are varied across plausible ranges.

    Authors: We agree that the current validation is limited to empirical comparisons with real systems and does not include controlled synthetic tests. In revision we will add a dedicated section presenting synthetic light-curve experiments in which q is held fixed while inclination, temperature ratio, and fill-out factor are varied over representative ranges. These tests will quantify the sensitivity of the third-derivative interval to parameters other than q and will be used to refine the reported uncertainties. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the manuscript provides no derivation of the mass-ratio relation from the third-derivative interval, no error-propagation steps, and no discussion of selection effects or how the empirical mapping was constructed from the sample.

    Authors: The mass-ratio relation is constructed empirically by correlating the measured time intervals with spectroscopically determined q values from the sample. We will expand the methods and discussion sections to (i) detail the fitting procedure used to obtain the empirical mapping, (ii) provide the explicit error-propagation steps from the measured time interval to the estimated q, and (iii) discuss sample selection effects and their possible influence on the reported agreement statistics. A first-principles analytic derivation is not available; the method remains data-driven, but we will add a brief physical motivation based on the morphology of overcontact light curves. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity; photometric estimator validated against independent spectroscopic mass ratios

full rationale

The paper defines a photometric estimator from the time interval between third-derivative extrema and directly compares the resulting q values to spectroscopically determined mass ratios on the same objects. Spectroscopic q is an external observable independent of the light-curve derivatives. No equation or procedure is shown to be defined in terms of its own output, no fitted mapping is relabeled as a first-principles prediction, and no self-citation chain is required to close the argument. The reported agreement statistics therefore constitute an external check rather than a tautology.

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