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Multi-GraspLLM: A Multimodal LLM for Multi-Hand Semantic Guided Grasp Generation

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Pith's one-line read A single multimodal LLM maps a point cloud and a natural-language instruction to feasible, semantically matched grasps for five different robotic hands.

desk verdict New multi-hand grasp dataset and a plausible unified model, but the paper's own Table 2 shows most ground-truth grasps fail in simulation, so the feasibility claims do not yet hold. read the letter →

arxiv 2412.08468 v3 pith:BDTPKHEW submitted 2024-12-11 cs.RO cs.CV

Haosheng Li , Weixin Mao , Weipeng Deng , Chenyu Meng , Haoqiang Fan , Tiancai Wang , Yoshie Osamu , Ping Tan
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Hongan Wang Xiaoming Deng
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keywords multi-handgraspgenerationlanguage-guidedgraspingmultimodallargelanguagemodelsdatasetcontactannotationroboticdexteroushandspointcloudalignmentdiscretization
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The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The reading

The paper tries to show that one language-conditioned model can handle grasp generation for five structurally different robotic hands, where previous systems train a separate model per hand. The supporting claim is a new dataset, Multi-GraspSet, that supplies fine-grained finger-object contact annotations and about 1.1 million natural-language dialogues for 2,100 objects and 140,000 grasp poses. On top of it, Multi-GraspLLM treats grasp angles as discrete "bin tokens" and lets an LLM autoregressively predict them from a point cloud and a text instruction. The authors report that the unified model beats single-hand baselines and that joint training across hands improves each hand's performance. If true, this makes semantic grasp generation a single-model, cross-embodiment problem rather than a per-hardware engineering task.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing device is the grasp-bin token. Continuous wrist pose and joint angles are uniformly discretized per hand into 384 bins; the LLM outputs these bins as next-token predictions, and a hand-aware linear mapping converts bins back to continuous angles. Point-cloud tokens are aligned to language through a PointBERT encoder and an adaptor, and three special tokens-hand, scale, and grasp bin-let one backbone vary its output format by hand and recover the object's absolute scale.

What would settle it

Take objects and hands whose grasps are collected from human demonstrations or physical robot trials (not from DexGraspNet, GraspIt, or Contact-GraspNet), and measure whether Multi-GraspLLM's predicted grasps match those independent grasps better than per-hand baselines; if its advantage comes from imitating the generators that made its training set, the margin should shrink or vanish.

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Core claim

Multi-GraspLLM is a single multimodal LLM that maps a point cloud plus natural-language instruction to feasible, semantically appropriate grasp poses for the Allegro, Shadow, Barrett, and Jaco hands and the Panda gripper. The paper argues this works because discretized hand-specific grasp bins function as output tokens in an LLM vocabulary, and because the Multi-GraspSet training data aligns language, geometry, and contact. The reported results show the mixed model outperforms per-hand specialist models and existing grasp generators in simulator metrics (Chamfer distance, penetration, Isaac Sim success rate) and in real-robot part-selection accuracy.

Load-bearing premise

The whole pipeline treats grasps produced by DexGraspNet, GraspIt, and Contact-GraspNet and filtered only by a 2 cm penetration threshold as correct ground truth for language-conditioned training, so any bias or infeasibility in those auto-generated grasps is inherited by the dataset, the training signal, and the evaluation.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Deployment of grasp generation becomes a single model: adding a new hand needs a hand-specific discretization bound and linear head, not a separately trained network.
  • Cross-hand joint training is a source of improvement, not a compromise; the paper's ablations show per-hand quality rises as more hands are added.
  • Semantic control reaches finger level: instructions that specify which fingers touch which object part change the generated grasp, so language can select functional grasps.
  • The dataset lets future work train and benchmark semantic multi-hand grasp generation on a common set of 2,100 objects instead of per-hand collections.
  • Because the test point clouds are disjoint from training, the reported gains concern object generalization rather than memorized meshes.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The reported advantage is measured against the same auto-generation algorithms used to create the training set, so the real-world gain may partly reflect the model learning the generators' output distribution; a test against independently collected human or physical grasps would separate that.
  • The LLM's autoregressive decoding of bins may constrain grasp diversity; nothing in the paper measures whether the model covers the dataset's contact-pattern variety rather than collapsing to a few common modes.
  • The method should extend naturally to more end-effectors, since the only hand-specific pieces are the discretization bounds and the final linear layer; a direct test would be training on a novel hand not in the current five.
  • The conversation-annotation pipeline uses GPT-4 to paraphrase templates; if those paraphrases drift semantically from the contact annotations, the language-conditioning signal could be noisier than the SDF labels themselves.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

4 major / 6 minor

Summary. The paper presents Multi-GraspSet, a large-scale dataset of language-annotated grasps for five robotic hands, and Multi-GraspLLM, a multimodal LLM that takes an object point cloud and a natural-language instruction and outputs grasp-pose bin tokens which are de-tokenized into hand-specific poses. The dataset is built by generating grasps with DexGraspNet, GraspIt, and Contact-GraspNet, filtering only by a 2 cm penetration threshold, annotating contacts via an SDF threshold, and creating about 1.1M conversations with GPT-4o. The model is trained with a two-stage procedure (modality alignment then instruction tuning) and evaluated by Chamfer distance to the dataset labels, penetration depth, Isaac Sim success rate, and real-world trials with a gripper and an Allegro hand. The authors claim state-of-the-art performance and that joint multi-hand training helps.

Significance. If the data and evaluation were valid, this would be a valuable contribution: Multi-GraspSet is, to my knowledge, the first large-scale multi-hand grasp dataset with fine-grained contact annotations and language dialogues, and the unified LLM-based architecture for variable-length hand outputs is a sensible design that enables cross-hand learning. The paper is detailed about dataset construction and training, and the real-world part-selection accuracy is a genuine positive result. However, the quantitative claims of feasibility and of superiority in the simulator and in real grasping success are not currently supported, because the ground-truth labels are shown to be mostly infeasible in the same simulator used for evaluation, and the reported real-world success rates are comparable to baselines with no statistical uncertainty.

major comments (4)
  1. [Sec. 3.2.1, Sec. A.2, Table 2] The dataset generation filters grasps only by a 2 cm penetration threshold and applies no force-closure or simulator-success filter. Table 2's GroundTruth row shows that these raw labels succeed in Isaac Sim at an average rate of only 0.36, with per-hand values of 0.29-0.44 and average penetration 0.66 cm. Since these labels are both the training targets and the CD reference, the learned model is rewarded for imitating a mostly infeasible output distribution, and the same issue biases every baseline trained on Multi-GraspSet. The claims in the abstract and Section 1 that the method generates 'feasible' grasps and 'significantly outperforms' are therefore not established. I request that the dataset be re-filtered with a physics-based success check and/or force closure, and that training and evaluation be repeated on the filtered subset, or that the results be explicitly framed as imitation accuracy rather than physical feasibility.
  2. [Sec. 5.1, Table 2] The GroundTruth row in Table 2 is undefined. CD is defined as the distance between predicted and ground-truth hand point clouds, so a row that evaluates the raw dataset against itself should have CD equal to zero by construction. The reported values of 0.65-1.38 imply that some other reference is being used, but that reference is not described. Without a precise definition, this row cannot support the statement in Section 5.3 that the method 'surpasses our original Multi-GraspSet dataset.' Please define what the GroundTruth row compares against and label it accordingly.
  3. [Sec. 5.3, Table 10] The real-world results do not support the claim of 'significantly outperforming' existing methods in grasping success. In Table 10, Multi-GraspLLM achieves gripper success 0.45 versus Contact-GraspNet's 0.48, and Allegro success 0.31 versus 0.29, 0.27, and 0.24 for the three dexterous baselines, with only 20 trials per method and no error bars or confidence intervals. The part-selection accuracy improvements (0.82 vs. 0.42 and 0.72 vs. 0.56) are the clear positive results. Please report trial counts per object, confidence intervals or repeated-seed statistics, and separate the semantic-part-accuracy claim from the physical-success claim.
  4. [Sec. 5.1, Table 8] CD to a single ground-truth hand point cloud is not a direct measure of semantic appropriateness. For a given object part there are many valid grasps, and a semantically correct grasp can have a large hand-point-cloud distance to the single stored label. Table 8's pattern of low-level CD=0.78 versus high-level CD=0.31 may partly reflect underspecification of the instruction rather than a semantic error. Please complement CD with a direct part-selection metric in simulation, such as contact-region overlap with the requested part, or a human evaluation of semantic correctness.
minor comments (6)
  1. [Sec. 4.2 vs. Sec. 5.2] The number of grasp bins is inconsistent: Section 4.2 states '512 discretization bins,' while Section 5.2 says the grasp angles are discretized into 384 bins. Please reconcile these numbers and state which value is used for the main results.
  2. [Eq. (1), Sec. 3.2.2] The contact-determination threshold epsilon in Eq. (1) is never given a numerical value or sensitivity analysis. Please specify epsilon and report how the annotation changes with reasonable variations of this threshold.
  3. [Sec. 5.3] The sentence 'SceneDiffuser, DexGYS and DexGraspNet were evaluated on dexterous hands, both trained on our dataset' is ambiguous because three methods are listed. Please state exactly which baselines were retrained on Multi-GraspSet, which were used with pretrained weights, and give the training details for each retrained baseline.
  4. [Table 8] DexGYS is reported only for the high-level instruction condition in Table 8, with no low- or mid-level entries. Please clarify whether DexGYS cannot consume such instructions, or whether those evaluations were omitted, and avoid implying a full comparison across conditions.
  5. [Figure 3] In Figure 3, the annotation 'Index, ring, ring and thumb finger touch battery of power drill' contains a duplicated 'ring'; this appears to be a typo and should be corrected.
  6. [Sec. C, Table 10] The real-world evaluation reports 29 objects and 20 tests per method but does not specify how tests are allocated across objects and hands, nor how part-selection accuracy is defined when an object has multiple semantically valid parts. Please provide the full protocol and raw counts.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the central claims rest on external simulator and real-world evaluation, not on a self-referential derivation.

full rationale

The paper constructs Multi-GraspSet with external grasp generators (DexGraspNet, GraspIt, Contact-GraspNet) and later compares against those same methods as baselines; this is an in-family benchmark, not a circular derivation, because Multi-GraspLLM is trained with a standard next-token prediction objective and evaluated independently in Isaac Sim and real-world trials. The reported low GroundTruth success rates (e.g., Suc = 0.36 in Table 2) are a data-validity concern about label feasibility, not an equation-level reduction of the model's output to its input. The only preprocessing choice that uses the full dataset is the hand-specific angle bounds in Eq. (2), which is a mild leakage/preprocessing issue rather than a fitted parameter renamed as a prediction, and it does not by itself force the reported comparisons. Citations to the authors' prior VLA work ([13], [26]) appear only in related work and are not load-bearing for the main derivation. No uniqueness claim, ansatz, or definition in the paper makes the central result equivalent to its inputs by construction.

Assumptions & free parameters 4 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The main burden is the quality of the automatically generated dataset. The free parameters and domain assumptions above are the points where the paper's conclusion depends on choices that are not independently validated: the SDF threshold, the penetration filter, the discretization bin count, and the reliability of the existing grasp generators and GPT-4o dialogues. No new physical entities are introduced.

free parameters (4)
  • SDF contact threshold epsilon
    Defines which finger links count as touching the object through Eq. 1; all contact annotations and generated conversations depend on it, and its value is not given in the paper.
  • Penetration filter threshold for dataset generation = 2 cm
    Filters generated grasp poses before they enter Multi-GraspSet (Sec. A.2); this threshold shapes the quality and distribution of all training and test labels.
  • Grasp discretization bin count N = 384 (512 and 256 also tested)
    Chosen after ablation as the main configuration (Sec. 5.4, Table 4); 512 bins give slightly higher success (0.41 vs 0.40) but 384 is used in the headline results.
  • Per-hand generation budget = 128 (Allegro), 160 (Shadow), 30 (Jaco), 60 (Barrett), 200 (gripper)
    Set in Sec. 5.2; determines dataset balance across hands and affects cross-hand training.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption The grasps produced by DexGraspNet, GraspIt, and Contact-GraspNet are physically stable enough to be treated as ground truth.
    Sec. 3.2.1 uses these tools to populate Multi-GraspSet without reporting human validation of the resulting poses.
  • domain assumption Contact can be detected by an SDF threshold (Eq. 1), and the resulting labels correctly describe which finger touches which object part.
    Sec. 3.2.2 converts geometric proximity into semantic contact annotations that form the basis of all high-level instructions.
  • domain assumption GPT-4o-generated and refined dialogues preserve the exact contact and object-part meaning of the annotations.
    Sec. 3.2.3 and Tables 6-7 rely on LLM expansion and polishing of 1.1M conversations; meaning drift would misalign text and pose.
  • domain assumption Isaac Sim success rate is a valid cross-hand measure of grasp quality.
    Sec. 5.1 uses Suc as the physical-feasibility metric; real-world validation is limited to 20 manual trials per method.
  • domain assumption A point cloud sampled from a mesh plus a templated sentence is sufficient to specify a unique intended grasp.
    The training and test pairs in Sec. 4.2 assume no ambiguity between the instruction, the object geometry, and the target pose.

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Multi-hand semantic grasp generation aims to generate feasible and semantically appropriate grasp poses for different robotic hands based on natural language instructions. Although the task is highly valuable, due to the lack of multihand grasp datasets with fine-grained contact description between robotic hands and objects, it is still a long-standing difficult task. In this paper, we present Multi-GraspSet, the first large-scale multi-hand grasp dataset with automatically contact annotations. Based on Multi-GraspSet, we propose Multi-GraspLLM, a unified language-guided grasp generation framework, which leverages large language models (LLM) to handle variable-length sequences, generating grasp poses for diverse robotic hands in a single unified architecture. Multi-GraspLLM first aligns the encoded point cloud features and text features into a unified semantic space. It then generates grasp bin tokens that are subsequently converted into grasp pose for each robotic hand via hand-aware linear mapping. The experimental results demonstrate that our approach significantly outperforms existing methods in both real-world experiments and simulator. More information can be found on our project page https://multi-graspllm.github.io.

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Figure 1. Multi-GraspLLM vs. traditional grasp generation method. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p001_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Multi-GraspSet Construction Process. The initial unified grasp generation produces physically stable grasps. Then, through two [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Illustration of Multi-GraspSet. Our dataset includes grasp [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Multi-GraspLLM model. The point encoder extracts point clouds from objects and maps them with language descriptions into the [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: The template of training data used to train Multi [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_5.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Visualization of the grasp pose generated by Multi-GraspLLM. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_6.png]
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Ablation on training data for modality alignment. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_7.png]
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Robot experiment setup for Allegro. and a multi-fingered dexterous hand. As shown in the left part of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_8.png]
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Figure 9. Figure 9: Illustration of grasp process in real world. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_9.png]
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Figure 10. Figure 10: Additional visualization of the grasp pose generated by Multi-GraspLLM. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_10.png]

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