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RefBench-PRO claims that referring-expression comprehension is not one skill but six, and that current multimodal models—best at 71.4% on the five non-rejection tasks—fail most visibly when the task demands relational, commonsense, or rejec
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load-bearing objection Useful six-task decomposition for REC, but Ref-R1's gains may be inflated by train/test overlap; the paper needs a clear holdout statement. the 3 major comments →
RefBench-PRO: Perceptual and Reasoning Oriented Benchmark for Referring Expression Comprehension
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The paper's central claim is that current REC evaluation confounds two distinct abilities—seeing a visual cue and reasoning over it—and that separating them reveals a large, previously hidden gap. RefBench-PRO organizes 6,000 human-corrected pairs into six 1,000-pair tasks; images are high-resolution and objects are small, with an average target area of about 10%, and expressions are engineered to be unambiguous only through the targeted cue. Across 24 models, none exceeds 72% accuracy on the five positive tasks, and the average drop from the three perception tasks to the two reasoning tasks is 6.02 points. The rejection task is the clearest failure: most models cannot say 'absent' and inste
What carries the argument
The load-bearing device is the six-way task taxonomy paired with rule-based selection: an object is assigned to Attribute when it has a unique property among same-category peers, to Position when unambiguous only through a spatial anchor, to Interaction when identified by ordinal placement in a homogeneous group, to Relation when linked to an anchor by similarity or contrast, to Commonsense when named by function, and to Reject when the expression describes a plausible but absent object. That taxonomy turns an aggregate accuracy number into a per-capability diagnostic. The second device is the DyIoU-GRPO reward: the IoU acceptance threshold rises during training while smaller boxes get a low
Load-bearing premise
The benchmark's usefulness as a generalization test rests on the 6,000 benchmark pairs being excluded from the 203,985-pair RefObjects-200k training mixture used to train Ref-R1, but the paper nowhere states that this exclusion was made.
What would settle it
Compute the overlap between RefBench-PRO's 6,000 expression–image pairs and RefObjects-200k's training pairs by matching image IDs, bounding boxes, and expression text; if a substantial share of benchmark pairs are near-duplicates of training pairs, the reported difficulty and Ref-R1's gains are inflated by memorization.
If this is right
- High scores on RefCOCO/+/g and Ref-L4 overstate real grounding ability; the same models fall below 72% when small targets and compositional expressions are required.
- Reporting per-task accuracy for attribute, position, interaction, relation, commonsense, and rejection makes failure modes legible instead of hiding them behind one average.
- Dynamic-IoU reinforcement learning is a transferable training recipe: it lifts a 7B model's five-task accuracy by roughly 12 points and rejection accuracy from 3.1% to 58.2%.
- Explicit thinking traces consistently improve relation and commonsense accuracy across three models that support a thinking mode, so reasoning chains are a practical lever for grounding.
- Near-chance performance on the reject task even as binary classification implies localization hallucination is not fixed by instruction wording; models need training that does not reward unconditional box outputs.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Because the benchmark and the training set are generated by the same pipeline, the six-way taxonomy may be partly measuring the generator's biases; an independently human-written test subset would be a sterner check that the paper does not run.
- The 6.02-point perception-to-reasoning gap suggests steering post-training toward relation, commonsense, and reject samples; the paper's own ablation table indicates those are where the largest headroom sits, but it does not perform that curriculum experiment.
- If the dynamic IoU threshold is the true source of small-object gains, then ablating the threshold schedule—for instance, training with a fixed 0.5 IoU threshold but the same data—would isolate whether the improvement comes from the schedule or from the RL data itself.
- The rejection result implies models need an explicit absent-object decision, not just a better box regressor; a concrete extension is adding negative-only images to the RL mixture and measuring whether rejection accuracy moves off chance.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. RefBench-PRO proposes a new REC benchmark that separates referring expression comprehension into two dimensions—visual-cue perception (attribute, position, interaction) and compositional reasoning (relation, commonsense, reject)—with 1,000 test pairs per task. The benchmark is built from FineHARD images through an automated pipeline using Qwen2.5-VL-72B for parsing and expression generation and Grounding DINO for boxes, producing a 6,000-pair test set and a 203,985-pair training set called RefObjects-200k. The paper also presents Ref-R1, a two-stage training method (CoT SFT followed by DyIoU-GRPO with a dynamic IoU threshold and a group-quality reward) on Qwen2.5-VL-7B, and evaluates 24 models. The main empirical claims are that no model exceeds 72% Accp on RefBench-PRO, that there is a systematic perception-to-reasoning drop, that most models fail at rejection, and that Ref-R1 raises Qwen2.5-VL-7B to 69.35 Accp / 67.49 Acco.
Significance. If the benchmark independence issue is resolved, RefBench-PRO has clear value: the six-task decomposition gives more interpretable diagnostics than a single aggregate REC score, the reject task exposes grounding hallucination in a controlled way, and the difficulty controls (distractor count, object area, hop count) provide useful stress-test axes. The automated pipeline is a practical contribution, and the dynamic-IoU reward is a sensible extension of GRPO for localization. The evaluation of 24 models and the analysis of thinking mode and rejection settings are useful strengths. However, the paper's central Ref-R1 baseline claim is currently not secure because the benchmark and training set may overlap, and the per-category ablation claims are overstated in the supplementary.
major comments (3)
- [§3.2 vs §4.1/§5.1] Benchmark independence from the training set is not established. §3.2 says 'A subset of pairs across six dimensions is then sampled... to establish RefBench-PRO' from RefObjects-200k, while §4.1 trains Ref-R1 on 180K samples from RefObjects-200k and §5.1 selects 80k samples from the same pool for RL. No sentence states that the 6,000 benchmark pairs or their source images are excluded from training. If any overlap exists, the reported +11.77 Accp gain over Qwen2.5-VL-7B may partly reflect memorization rather than generalization; the 'further corrected by ten annotators' step does not remove the exposure. Please provide an explicit disjoint split (ideally disjoint images), re-run Ref-R1 on that split, and report the held-out numbers, or provide overlap statistics demonstrating no contamination.
- [Supplementary §9, Table 8] The supplementary states that Ref-R1 'demonstrates comprehensive performance gains across all sub-categories,' but Table 8 contradicts this: Ref-R1's Reject accuracy (58.20) is lower than SFT-CoT (61.50), and its Commonsense accuracy (65.40) is lower than GRPO+RGroupQuality+RIoU (66.87). The aggregate Accp/Acco gains remain positive, but the per-category claim is not supported. Please correct the claim and discuss the specific trade-offs, especially the decrease in rejection accuracy relative to the CoT SFT stage.
- [§3.2 / §3.1] Annotation quality is asserted but not measured. The 6,000 benchmark pairs are machine-generated and then 'corrected by ten annotators,' yet no inter-annotator agreement, correction rate, or residual error analysis is reported. Given that the generator is Qwen2.5-VL-72B—the same model family as several evaluated models and the backbone of Ref-R1—independent verification is essential for the benchmark's credibility. Please add the annotation protocol, agreement statistics (e.g., pairwise agreement or Fleiss' kappa), and an analysis of what fraction of labels changed during correction.
minor comments (8)
- [§3.2] Typo: 'corrrected' should be 'corrected'; also the name 'REFbench-PRO' appears with inconsistent capitalization at the end of §3.2.
- [§5.2] Typo in 'a comprehensive benchmark fir evaluating' should be 'for evaluating.'
- [Table 2] The Qwen2-VL row appears as '46.528.543.0' without separators; it should read '46.5 28.5 43.0'.
- [§2 Related Work] Citation mismatches: 'Deepeyes [35]' and 'Chain-of-Focus [23]' appear to cite references [35] (VLM-R1) and [23] (Visual-Rft), which are not the intended methods. Please correct these references.
- [References] References [46] and [47] both point to the same paper (Yu et al., Modeling Context in Referring Expressions). Please deduplicate.
- [Figure 2 caption] The caption uses 'Vision-language Interleaved Reasoning' while the text consistently says 'Compositional Reasoning'; align the terminology.
- [Table 5] The column header layout is confusing: it reads 'Model Acc RC / Rejection setting / Grounding Classification.' Clarify which metric corresponds to which column, and define the reported Acc_RC value.
- [Figure 4 caption] The caption mentions 'semantic density' without defining it; please give a formal definition or remove the term.
Circularity Check
RefBench-PRO test pairs are sampled from the same RefObjects-200k pool used to train Ref-R1, with no stated holdout; Ref-R1's headline gains on RefBench-PRO are not an independent evaluation.
specific steps
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fitted input called prediction
[§3.2 (Data statistics), §4.1 (Chain-of-Thought Cold Start), §5.1 (Experimental Settings); Table 6]
"We construct RefObjects-200k via our annotation pipeline. A subset of pairs across six dimensions is then sampled, further corrrected by ten annotators to establish RefBench-PRO. ... Using the RefObjects-200k dataset, we leverage Qwen2.5-VL-72B to generate chain-of-thought reasoning for each sample. ... In the first stage, we train on 180K samples generated from RefObjects-200k for one epoch"
RefBench-PRO is defined as a sampled subset of RefObjects-200k, and Ref-R1 is trained on samples generated from RefObjects-200k. The paper never states that the 6,000 benchmark pairs, or their source images, are excluded from the 180K SFT / 80K RL training mixtures. Therefore the reported Ref-R1 gains on RefBench-PRO are partly measured on training-distribution data. The ten-annotator 'correction' changes wording or boxes but not the underlying image-target pair, so an image-level or pair-level memorization channel remains. The benchmark accuracy is thus presented as an evaluation of generalization when, by construction, it is also a fit to the training pool.
full rationale
The benchmark diagnostics for frozen models are not circular: the six-task decomposition, the scoring rules, and the observation that current MLLMs decline on harder perceptual/reasoning splits are defined independently of any fitted parameters and are supported by external comparisons (RefCOCO/+/g, Ref-L4). The circular content is confined to the Ref-R1 evaluation on RefBench-PRO. §3.2 makes RefBench-PRO a sampled subset of RefObjects-200k; §4.1 and §5.1 train Ref-R1 on samples generated from that same pool, without any stated holdout of the benchmark pairs or their source images. Hence the headline +11.77 Accp / +18.99 Acco over Qwen2.5-VL-7B partly reflects overlap with the training distribution. This does not invalidate the benchmark's interpretability claim for frozen baselines, nor the independent external support for Ref-R1 on RefCOCO/+/g (+2.14) and Ref-L4 (+4.43). The circularity is therefore partial, not total.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (5)
- α (start IoU threshold) =
0.5
- β (end IoU threshold) =
0.8
- d_max (small-target penalty) =
0.15
- p (group quality reward weight) =
0.5
- τ_q dynamic group threshold schedule =
unspecified
axioms (5)
- domain assumption Qwen2.5-VL-72B property dictionaries, consistency checks, and expression generation are accurate enough to serve as ground-truth generation.
- domain assumption Grounding DINO bounding boxes correctly localize the described objects.
- domain assumption Ten human annotators provide reliable correction for the 6,000 benchmark pairs.
- standard math The standard GRPO objective is applicable and stable for bounding-box rewards.
- ad hoc to paper The dynamic IoU threshold (Eq. 5) improves coarse-to-fine localization learning.
read the original abstract
Referring Expression Comprehension (REC) is a vision-language task that localizes a specific image region based on a textual description. Existing REC benchmarks primarily evaluate perceptual capabilities and lack interpretable scoring mechanisms, which cannot reveal the grounding capability of Multi-modal Large Language Model (MLLM) across different cognitive abilities. To address this limitation, we introduce RefBench-PRO, a comprehensive REC benchmark, which decomposes referring expressions into two core dimensions, i.e., perception and reasoning, and further subdivides them into six progressively challenging tasks, such as attribute, position, interaction, commonsense, relation and reject. We also develop a fully automated data-generation pipeline that produces diverse referring expressions across these six sub-dimensions. Furthermore, We propose Ref-R1, an RL-based learning scheme, which incorporates Dynamic IoU-based GRPO to improve localization accuracy under increasingly complex reasoning conditions, establishing a stronger baseline for REC. Extensive experiments demonstrate that our RefBench-PRO enables interpretable evaluation of MLLM on referring expression comprehension, presenting greater challenges in both perception and reasoning.
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Detailed Definition for Each Subcategory of RefBench-PRO Attribute. The Attribute category focuses on the intrinsic and directly observable visual properties of objects, which includes characteristics such as an object’s color, texture, material, shape, and state. Position. The Position sub-category captures the spatial re- lationships between different o...
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We filtered the images based on their resolution, retaining only those within the range of 1024x1024 to 2048x2048 pixels
Details of RefBench-PRO Construction Data ProcessingWe source images from the FineHARD dataset, a large-scale, high-quality dataset comprising 12 million images based on the GRiT dataset. We filtered the images based on their resolution, retaining only those within the range of 1024x1024 to 2048x2048 pixels. This criterion was established to ensure a cons...
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The improve- ments are most pronounced in Compositional Reasoning, especially within the Relation sub-category
More Results of Ref-R1 As shown in Table 8, Ref-R1 demonstrates comprehensive performance gains across all sub-categories. The improve- ments are most pronounced in Compositional Reasoning, especially within the Relation sub-category. Furthermore, the model achieves a significant uplift in the Reject task, showcasing a more robust ability to handle invali...
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These fig- ures provide a visual comparison of several representative models across challenging examples from all six categories
Case Study More cases are shown in Figure 9 and Figure 10. These fig- ures provide a visual comparison of several representative models across challenging examples from all six categories. Table 8. Detailed results of ablation experiments of Ref-R1 on RefBench-PRO. Models Overall Visual-cue Perception Compositional Reasoning Accp Acco Attribute Position I...
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Assign a clear and concise class label to each object (e.g., 'person', 'laptop', 'coffee mug', 'dog')
Comprehensive Object Identification: Your first step is to perform a thorough scan of the entire image to identify every distinct, tangible object. Assign a clear and concise class label to each object (e.g., 'person', 'laptop', 'coffee mug', 'dog'). Do not omit objects, even if they are small or in the background. Focus strictly on concrete items and ign...
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Each instance requires its own property dictionary
Handling Multiple Instances: If you identify multiple objects of the same class (e.g., two chairs, three books), you MUST treat each one as a separate and unique entry in the output list. Each instance requires its own property dictionary
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Populate this object with all observable visual properties
Detailed Inherent Attribute Extraction: For each identified object, you must create a nested attributes object. Populate this object with all observable visual properties. Be as descriptive as possible. Key attributes to consider include, but are not limited to: color: (e.g., 'blue', 'pale yellow', 'multi-colored'). material: (e.g., 'polished wood', 'brus...
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to the left of the monitor
Interactive Relationship Mapping: After describing an object's inherent attributes, identify its spatial connections to other identified objects. If such relationships exist, add an interactive_relationships field. This field must be a list of strings. Each string must describe a relationship from the perspective of the current object. Examples: ["to the ...
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a white ceramic mug filled with dark coffee
Brief Descriptive Phrase Generation: For every object, you must provide a description phrase. This should be a concise, natural-language summary that captures the essence of the object within its specific context in the image. Examples: For a cup, "a white ceramic mug filled with dark coffee". For a person, "a woman with brown hair smiling at the camera"
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scene_properties
Strict JSON Output Format: Your final and only output MUST be a single, valid JSON object. The root of the object must have one key: "scene_properties". The value of "scene_properties" must be a list (JSON array) containing the property dictionaries for every visual element you detected. Each dictionary in the list must contain: "class": The object's cate...
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