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LA-Sign: Looped Transformers with Geometry-aware Alignment for Skeleton-based Sign Language Recognition

Muxin Pu , Mei Kuan Lim , Chun Yong Chong , Chen Change Loy
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keywords sign language recognitionskeleton-based ISLRlooped transformersPoincaré alignmentrecurrent refinementhyperbolic spaceWLASL MSASL
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Recurrent looping in transformers with Poincaré alignment refines skeletal motion features for sign language recognition using shared parameters.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper argues that sign language recognition benefits from deriving model depth through repeated application of the same transformer layers rather than stacking new ones. This recurrence allows progressive refinement of multi-scale motion details, from finger articulations to full-body dynamics. A contrastive loss that aligns skeletal and text features in an adaptive hyperbolic space adds structure to the representations. Experiments on WLASL and MSASL show this yields state-of-the-art accuracy with fewer unique layers than standard deep feed-forward networks.

Core claim

LA-Sign replaces stacked layers with looped encoder-decoder transformers that repeatedly revisit latent representations under shared weights, combined with a geometry-aware contrastive objective that projects skeletal and textual features into adaptive Poincaré space to encourage multi-scale semantic organization, delivering state-of-the-art isolated sign language recognition on WLASL and MSASL benchmarks.

What carries the argument

Looped encoder-decoder transformer with adaptive Poincaré alignment, which performs recurrent refinement of multi-scale motion representations under shared parameters while organizing features in hyperbolic space.

Load-bearing premise

Repeated passes through shared transformer parameters produce stable progressive refinement of representations rather than redundancy or optimization instability.

What would settle it

Training curves or ablation results on WLASL showing performance plateaus or degrades after a small number of loops would indicate the recurrence adds no new information.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2603.29057 by Chen Change Loy, Chun Yong Chong, Mei Kuan Lim, Muxin Pu.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Overview of LA-Sign. Motion sequences are first processed by a part-wise ST￾GCN encoder to extract sign features, which are then fed into a looped transformer for recurrent refinement. We study three looping variants: (a) encoder–decoder, (b) encoder-focused, and (c) decoder-focused, to assess how modality interaction patterns affect refinement. Geometry-aware (GA) alignment regularises the latent space us… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Architectural details of the three recurrent looping variants. (a) Encoder￾decoder looping: the initial sign representation S is concatenated with the previous cross-modal state Hs2t i−1 before passing through the shared encoder-decoder block. (b) Encoder-focused looping: the visual representation Hs i is iteratively refined via residual updates with S. (c) Decoder-focused looping: the encoder processes S … view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: UMAP visualisations of learned embeddings. Compared to the Euclidean base￾line (a), the hyperbolic space (b) exhibits clearer radial organisation and improved semantic separation. 5 Conclusion We presented LA-Sign, a looped transformer framework with GA alignment for skeleton-based ISLR. By replacing deeper layer stacking with recurrent latent [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Representation refinement across loop iterations. We visualise the embedding distributions of three sign classes (“before”, “chair”, and “go”) across successive loop iterations. At early iterations (i = 1), the embeddings exhibit substantial overlap, indi￾cating weak semantic separation. As the number of loops increases, the representations progressively form clearer cluster structures, with reduced inter-… view at source ↗
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Skeleton-based isolated sign language recognition (ISLR) demands fine-grained understanding of articulated motion across multiple spatial scales, from subtle finger movements to global body dynamics. Existing approaches typically rely on deep feed-forward architectures, which increase model capacity but lack mechanisms for recurrent refinement and structured representation. We propose LA-Sign, a looped transformer framework with geometry-aware alignment for ISLR. Instead of stacking deeper layers, LA-Sign derives its depth from recurrence, repeatedly revisiting latent representations to progressively refine motion understanding under shared parameters. To further regularise this refinement process, we present a geometry-aware contrastive objective that projects skeletal and textual features into an adaptive hyperbolic space, encouraging multi-scale semantic organisation. We study three looping designs and multiple geometric manifolds, demonstrating that encoder-decoder looping combined with adaptive Poincare alignment yields the strongest performance. Extensive experiments on WLASL and MSASL benchmarks show that LA-Sign achieves state-of-the-art results while using fewer unique layers, highlighting the effectiveness of recurrent latent refinement and geometry-aware representation learning for sign language recognition.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper proposes LA-Sign, a looped transformer framework for skeleton-based isolated sign language recognition (ISLR). Depth is obtained via recurrence with shared encoder-decoder parameters rather than layer stacking; a geometry-aware contrastive objective projects skeletal and textual features into an adaptive hyperbolic (Poincaré) space to encourage multi-scale semantic organization. Three looping designs are studied, with encoder-decoder looping plus adaptive Poincaré alignment reported as strongest; the method claims state-of-the-art results on WLASL and MSASL while using fewer unique layers.

Significance. If the performance claims and refinement mechanism hold, the work would be significant for parameter-efficient modeling of articulated motion, showing that recurrent application of shared weights combined with hyperbolic geometry can outperform deeper feed-forward transformers on fine-grained recognition tasks and offering a template for other pose- or video-based sequence problems.

major comments (3)
  1. [Experimental Evaluation] Experimental Evaluation section: the SOTA claims on WLASL and MSASL are unsupported by any reported protocol, baseline details, error bars, ablation statistics, or statistical significance tests, leaving the central performance assertion unverifiable from the manuscript text.
  2. [Looped Transformer Design] Looped Transformer Design (and associated analysis): the claim that repeated application of shared parameters produces progressive, stable refinement of multi-scale motion representations lacks direct evidence such as layer-wise representation similarity, gradient-norm trajectories across loops, or an ablation that isolates loop count from total FLOPs; without this, the efficiency and refinement narrative cannot be substantiated.
  3. [Geometry-aware Alignment] Geometry-aware Alignment objective: the adaptive curvature parameter and its effect on multi-scale organization are introduced without ablation against Euclidean contrastive baselines or analysis of optimization stability, which is load-bearing for the geometry-aware contribution.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract states that three looping designs were studied but does not name or briefly characterize them; this should be added for immediate clarity.
  2. [Notation and Preliminaries] Notation for loop count and hyperbolic curvature should be introduced once and used consistently in equations and text.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their thorough review and constructive comments. We address each major comment below and commit to revising the manuscript to enhance clarity and support for our claims.

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  1. Referee: [Experimental Evaluation] Experimental Evaluation section: the SOTA claims on WLASL and MSASL are unsupported by any reported protocol, baseline details, error bars, ablation statistics, or statistical significance tests, leaving the central performance assertion unverifiable from the manuscript text.

    Authors: We agree with the referee that additional details are required to make the SOTA claims verifiable. In the revised manuscript, we will provide a detailed description of the evaluation protocols used for WLASL and MSASL, including data splits and preprocessing steps. We will list all compared baselines with their original references and implementation details. Furthermore, we will report results with error bars from at least 3 independent runs, include comprehensive ablation studies with statistics, and perform statistical significance tests to support the performance improvements. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Looped Transformer Design] Looped Transformer Design (and associated analysis): the claim that repeated application of shared parameters produces progressive, stable refinement of multi-scale motion representations lacks direct evidence such as layer-wise representation similarity, gradient-norm trajectories across loops, or an ablation that isolates loop count from total FLOPs; without this, the efficiency and refinement narrative cannot be substantiated.

    Authors: The referee correctly points out the lack of direct evidence for the refinement process. While our experiments compare different looping designs, we will add in the revision direct analyses including: cosine similarity between representations at different loop iterations to show progressive refinement, plots of gradient norms across loops to demonstrate stability, and an ablation where we fix the total computational budget (FLOPs) and vary the number of loops to isolate the effect of recurrence from parameter count. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Geometry-aware Alignment] Geometry-aware Alignment objective: the adaptive curvature parameter and its effect on multi-scale organization are introduced without ablation against Euclidean contrastive baselines or analysis of optimization stability, which is load-bearing for the geometry-aware contribution.

    Authors: We acknowledge that the manuscript would benefit from more ablations on the geometry-aware objective. In the revised version, we will add experiments comparing the adaptive Poincaré alignment against standard Euclidean contrastive losses (such as InfoNCE in Euclidean space) on the same backbone. We will also analyze the effect of the adaptive curvature by reporting performance for fixed curvature values and include training loss curves and convergence metrics to address optimization stability. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity in the proposed looped transformer and hyperbolic alignment framework

full rationale

The paper introduces a new looped transformer architecture (encoder-decoder recurrence with shared parameters) and a geometry-aware contrastive objective projecting features into adaptive hyperbolic space. These are presented as novel design choices, with performance claims resting on empirical results from external public benchmarks (WLASL, MSASL) rather than any self-referential definitions, fitted parameters renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations. No equations or derivations in the provided text reduce by construction to their own inputs; the looping and alignment mechanisms are validated through ablation studies on looping designs and manifolds, keeping the central claims independent of circular reduction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

2 free parameters · 2 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on the effectiveness of recurrent refinement under shared weights and the superiority of hyperbolic geometry for multi-scale semantic organization; both are treated as domain assumptions rather than derived results.

free parameters (2)
  • loop count
    Number of recurrent iterations chosen to balance refinement depth against compute; value not specified in abstract.
  • hyperbolic curvature parameter
    Adaptive parameter controlling the Poincare ball geometry; fitted or tuned during training.
axioms (2)
  • domain assumption Shared-parameter recurrence can progressively refine latent motion representations without instability.
    Invoked when claiming that looping yields better understanding than feed-forward stacking.
  • domain assumption Hyperbolic space organizes hierarchical multi-scale semantics more effectively than Euclidean space for skeleton-text pairs.
    Basis for the geometry-aware contrastive objective.

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