The Evolving Faber-Jackson Relation: A Unifying Framework for Galaxy Ages and the Baryonic Tully-Fisher Connection
Pith reviewed 2026-05-14 00:09 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
The Faber-Jackson relation evolves directly from the baryonic Tully-Fisher relation through a shared acceleration scale that tracks galaxy formation epochs.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Within the Nexus Paradigm the baryonic Tully-Fisher relation and the Faber-Jackson relation share a common acceleration scale of order 10^{-10} m/s²; the evolving Faber-Jackson form is obtained directly from the evolving baryonic Tully-Fisher form as M_b ∝ e^{-4 ∫ H(t) dt} σ^4, so that observed offsets between galaxy populations arise naturally from differences in their formation epochs.
What carries the argument
The exponential kernel e^{-4 ∫ H(t) dt} that converts the evolving baryonic Tully-Fisher relation into the evolving Faber-Jackson relation while preserving a single acceleration scale.
If this is right
- Ultrafaint dwarf galaxies formed roughly 12 Gyr ago.
- Later-type dwarfs formed between 3.5 and 6 Gyr ago.
- Dark-matter-deficient galaxies retain ancient stellar populations but display young dynamical ages after recent collisions.
- Dynamically derived ages correlate with metallicity-based ages at Pearson r = 0.961 for undisturbed systems.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same exponential kernel may govern the time evolution of additional galaxy scaling relations beyond the two treated here.
- Dynamical ages could be used to date the interval since a galaxy experienced its last major merger or interaction.
- Extending the sample to higher redshifts would test whether the acceleration scale remains constant across cosmic time.
Load-bearing premise
The baryonic Tully-Fisher and Faber-Jackson relations arise from the same acceleration scale and the offsets between galaxy populations result from differences in formation epochs.
What would settle it
A sample of galaxies in which the dynamical ages computed from the evolving Faber-Jackson relation show no significant correlation with independent stellar-population ages.
read the original abstract
The baryonic Tully-Fisher relation (BTFR) and Faber-Jackson relation (FJR) represent fundamental scaling laws linking the baryonic mass of galaxies to their kinematics, yet their physical origin and apparent offsets between different galaxy populations have remained enigmatic. Here we present a unified theoretical framework demonstrating that both relations emerge from a common acceleration scale of order $10^{-10}m/s^2$ and evolve with cosmic time through a common exponential kernel. We derive the evolving FJR directly from the evolving BTFR within the Nexus Paradigm of quantum gravity, showing that the normalization scales as $M_b \propto e^{-4\int H(t)\,dt}\sigma^4 $, where $\sigma$ is the velocity dispersion and $ H(t)$ is the time varying Hubble parameter. Using this framework on a sample of 39 galaxies ranging from ultra-faint dwarfs to massive cluster ellipticals, we show that the observed offset between galaxy populations arises naturally from differences in their formation epochs. Ultrafaint dwarf galaxies yield ages of $ 12\pm0.8$ Gyr, in excellent agreement with independent Hubble Space Telescope stellar population ages showing synchronization within $\sim 1$ Gyr. Later-type dwarfs show systematically younger ages of $3.5-6.0$ Gyr. The dynamical age reported by the evolving FJR measures the time since a galaxy last achieved virial equilibrium. Dark matter-deficient galaxies exhibit ancient stellar populations but very young dynamical ages, consistent with a recent violent collision. Independent validation using metallicity-based stellar population ages reveals a Pearson correlation coefficient of $r=0.961$ with our dynamically derived ages for undisturbed systems, providing strong empirical support for the framework. The evolving FJR links pressure-supported systems at every mass scale, making galaxy scaling relations accurate markers of both formation and disturbance events.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper claims to derive the evolving Faber-Jackson relation (FJR) directly from the evolving baryonic Tully-Fisher relation (BTFR) within the Nexus Paradigm of quantum gravity. It shows that both relations share a common acceleration scale of order 10^{-10} m/s^2 and that the FJR normalization evolves as M_b ∝ e^{-4∫ H(t) dt} σ^4. Using this on a sample of 39 galaxies (ultra-faint dwarfs to massive ellipticals), it infers dynamical ages from normalization offsets, reporting 12±0.8 Gyr for ultrafaint dwarfs (matching HST stellar ages) and younger ages (3.5-6 Gyr) for later-type dwarfs, with a Pearson r=0.961 correlation to metallicity-based ages for undisturbed systems. The framework is presented as explaining population offsets via formation epochs and disturbance events.
Significance. If the central mapping holds without circularity, the result would unify two major galaxy scaling relations under a single time-dependent framework and supply a dynamical age estimator tied to virial equilibrium, offering a new probe of formation history and recent mergers (e.g., for dark-matter-deficient galaxies). The reported agreement with independent HST and metallicity ages would strengthen the case, but the dependence on a non-standard paradigm reduces broader significance unless the derivation is shown to be independent of the input assumptions.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract] Abstract (equation M_b ∝ e^{-4∫ H(t) dt} σ^4): the claim of a direct derivation from the evolving BTFR requires explicit intermediate steps showing how the rotation velocity v_rot is replaced by velocity dispersion σ while preserving the identical exponential kernel and numerical prefactor 4; absent these steps, the unification appears to import the kernel from the Nexus Paradigm rather than derive it from the shared acceleration scale alone.
- [Abstract] Sample of 39 galaxies and age validation: no details are given on data selection criteria, error propagation for the reported ages (e.g., 12±0.8 Gyr), or how the integral ∫ H(t) dt is evaluated for each galaxy to map to formation epoch; without these, the claimed agreement with HST ages within ~1 Gyr and the Pearson r=0.961 cannot be assessed for robustness or selection bias.
- [Abstract] The weakest assumption (shared acceleration scale a0 ~10^{-10} m/s^2 and identical evolution kernel for pressure-supported systems): the paper must demonstrate that this scale and the coefficient 4 arise independently from the Nexus Paradigm dynamics rather than being chosen to reproduce the observed BTFR/FJR offsets; otherwise the derivation reduces to a re-expression within the new framework.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] The definition of 'dynamical age' as time since last virial equilibrium should be stated explicitly with any assumptions about how it relates to the integral limits.
- [Abstract] Notation: specify the integration limits for ∫ H(t) dt and clarify whether H(t) is the standard Hubble parameter or modified within the Nexus Paradigm.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive report and the recommendation for major revision. We address each major comment below with specific revisions to strengthen the derivation, sample documentation, and independence of the framework assumptions. All requested clarifications will be incorporated into the revised manuscript.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (equation M_b ∝ e^{-4∫ H(t) dt} σ^4): the claim of a direct derivation from the evolving BTFR requires explicit intermediate steps showing how the rotation velocity v_rot is replaced by velocity dispersion σ while preserving the identical exponential kernel and numerical prefactor 4; absent these steps, the unification appears to import the kernel from the Nexus Paradigm rather than derive it from the shared acceleration scale alone.
Authors: We agree that the intermediate mapping steps were insufficiently detailed in the abstract and main text. In the revised manuscript we will insert a dedicated subsection deriving the FJR from the BTFR: starting from the Nexus Paradigm acceleration scale a0 that sets the BTFR normalization M_b ∝ v_rot^4, we apply the virial relation for pressure-supported systems (σ^2 ≈ GM/R) together with the same time-dependent kernel arising from the cosmic expansion term in the action. This yields the identical prefactor 4 and exponential e^{-4∫H(t)dt} without additional tuning. The shared kernel follows directly from the common a0 threshold at which the paradigm modifies Newtonian dynamics for both rotation and dispersion. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Sample of 39 galaxies and age validation: no details are given on data selection criteria, error propagation for the reported ages (e.g., 12±0.8 Gyr), or how the integral ∫ H(t) dt is evaluated for each galaxy to map to formation epoch; without these, the claimed agreement with HST ages within ~1 Gyr and the Pearson r=0.961 cannot be assessed for robustness or selection bias.
Authors: We will add an expanded Methods section (new subsection 3.1) that lists the exact literature sources and selection cuts for the 39 galaxies (e.g., isolation criteria, minimum S/N for kinematics, exclusion of ongoing mergers). The integral ∫H(t)dt is evaluated using the standard flat ΛCDM parameters (H0=70 km/s/Mpc, Ωm=0.3) from each galaxy’s redshift to its inferred formation time; we will tabulate the numerical values and the resulting age uncertainties propagated from both kinematic measurement errors and the 10% uncertainty in a0. The Pearson r=0.961 will be recomputed with bootstrap errors and shown only for the undisturbed subsample, with a clear statement of the selection criteria used to define that subsample. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] The weakest assumption (shared acceleration scale a0 ~10^{-10} m/s^2 and identical evolution kernel for pressure-supported systems): the paper must demonstrate that this scale and the coefficient 4 arise independently from the Nexus Paradigm dynamics rather than being chosen to reproduce the observed BTFR/FJR offsets; otherwise the derivation reduces to a re-expression within the new framework.
Authors: The value a0 ≈ 1.2×10^{-10} m s^{-2} is fixed by the Nexus Paradigm’s quantum-gravity action as the scale at which the modified Poisson equation transitions; it is not fitted to galaxy data. The coefficient 4 emerges analytically from the fourth-order time derivative term in the paradigm’s Lagrangian when the virial theorem is imposed, and applies identically to both v_rot and σ because both satisfy the same equilibrium condition at the a0 threshold. We will add a new paragraph in Section 2 that derives a0 and the kernel from the first principles of the paradigm (citing the relevant action integral) before any comparison to observations, thereby demonstrating independence from the BTFR/FJR data. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Evolving FJR normalization M_b ∝ e^{-4∫H(t)dt} σ^4 reduces to re-expression of BTFR inside authors' Nexus Paradigm, with kernel and coefficient imported from prior self-citations
specific steps
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ansatz smuggled in via citation
[Abstract (derivation claim) and main text derivation of evolving FJR]
"We derive the evolving FJR directly from the evolving BTFR within the Nexus Paradigm of quantum gravity, showing that the normalization scales as M_b ∝ e^{-4∫ H(t) dt} σ^4"
The exponential kernel and coefficient 4 are not derived from the BTFR or the acceleration scale in this paper; they are imported wholesale from the Nexus Paradigm (authors' prior construction). The step therefore renames the input ansatz as a 'direct derivation' without exhibiting an independent reduction from first principles.
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self citation load bearing
[Introduction and framework section (Nexus Paradigm invocation)]
"both relations emerge from a common acceleration scale of order 10^{-10}m/s^2 and evolve with cosmic time through a common exponential kernel"
The shared a0 scale and the identical exponential evolution for rotation- and pressure-supported systems are justified only by reference to the Nexus Paradigm, whose authors overlap with the present paper. No external uniqueness theorem or independent derivation is supplied to show why the kernel must be identical once a0 is fixed.
full rationale
The central derivation claims to obtain the evolving FJR directly from the evolving BTFR by anchoring both to a shared a0 ~10^{-10} m/s^2 and inserting the exponential kernel. However, the specific form of the kernel e^{-4∫H(t)dt} and the numerical prefactor 4 are supplied by the Nexus Paradigm itself, which is a framework introduced and developed in the authors' prior work. This makes the mapping a re-expression within the paradigm rather than an independent derivation from the acceleration scale alone. The unification therefore inherits its load-bearing content from self-citation chains whose internal assumptions are not re-derived here.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (2)
- common acceleration scale a0 =
10^{-10} m/s^2
- exponent factor =
-4
axioms (2)
- domain assumption Nexus Paradigm of quantum gravity provides the underlying framework
- ad hoc to paper BTFR and FJR share a common origin in acceleration scale
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Cost/FunctionalEquation.leanwashburn_uniqueness_aczel unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
M_b ∝ e^{-4∫H(t)dt} σ^4 ... common acceleration scale of order 10^{-10} m/s² ... derived ... within the Nexus Paradigm
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/RealityFromDistinction.leanreality_from_one_distinction unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
The evolving BTFR ... v ∝ e^{H0 t} M_b^{1/4} ... from semi-classical solutions to the quantized metric
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