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An unstable abstract elementary class of modules: A variation of Paolini-Shelah's example
Pith reviewed 2026-05-13 18:17 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
A variation of a known construction produces an unstable AEC of torsion-free abelian groups that has joint embedding but lacks amalgamation.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We construct a class hat K of torsion-free abelian groups such that hat K = (hat K, ≤_p) is an abstract elementary class with LS(hat K) = ℵ₀ such that hat K is not stable, hat K has the joint embedding property and no maximal models but does not have the amalgamation property, and hat K is (<ℵ₀)-tame. The construction is obtained by varying the example from Paolini-Shelah Section 4 in order to isolate the core mechanism responsible for these features.
What carries the argument
The class hat K of torsion-free abelian groups equipped with the partial order ≤_p of pure subgroups, obtained via a targeted variation of the Paolini-Shelah construction.
If this is right
- The class satisfies the joint embedding property and has no maximal models.
- The class fails to be stable.
- The class fails the amalgamation property.
- The class is (<ℵ₀)-tame.
- The Löwenheim-Skolem number of the class equals ℵ₀.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same variation technique may be applied to other module categories to produce further examples that separate tameness from amalgamation.
- The construction supplies a concrete test case for whether countable tameness plus joint embedding can force any form of local character in AECs of modules.
- One could check whether the class satisfies additional properties such as having a model-theoretic independence relation that is not forking.
Load-bearing premise
The specific variation performed in Section 4 removes stability and amalgamation while preserving joint embedding, the absence of maximal models, and countable tameness.
What would settle it
An explicit pair of models in hat K together with a common submodel that cannot be amalgamated inside hat K, or a demonstration that the class satisfies the stability definition.
read the original abstract
We construct a class $\hat{K}$ of torsion-free abelian groups such that $\hat{\mathbf{K}}=(\hat{K}, \leq_p)$ is an abstract elementary class with $\operatorname{LS}(\hat{\mathbf{K}})=\aleph_0$ such that: $(\cdot)$ $\hat{\mathbf{K}}$ is not stable; $(\cdot)$ $\hat{\mathbf{K}}$ has the joint embedding property and no maximal models, but does not have the amalgamation property; $(\cdot)$ $\hat{\mathbf{K}}$ is $(<\aleph_0)$-tame. The class we construct is a variation of [PaSh, Section 4] which isolates the core mechanism of the Paolini-Shelah construction.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript constructs a class hat K of torsion-free abelian groups such that hat K = (hat K, ≤_p) forms an abstract elementary class with LS(hat K) = ℵ₀. It establishes that the AEC is unstable, satisfies the joint embedding property and has no maximal models, fails the amalgamation property, and is (<ℵ₀)-tame. The construction is a targeted variation of the Paolini-Shelah example from their Section 4, intended to isolate the mechanism producing these properties.
Significance. If the proofs are correct, the example supplies a concrete, tame unstable AEC of countable Löwenheim-Skolem number that has JEP but lacks AP. Such an example is useful for mapping the independence of stability, amalgamation, and tameness in AECs and for providing an algebraic (module-theoretic) setting in which these failures can be examined directly.
major comments (2)
- [§4] §4: The variation of the purity relation ≤_p is defined by modifying the original Paolini-Shelah parameters, but the verification that this modification preserves the AEC axioms (in particular coherence and the smoothness property) is only sketched; an explicit check that the new relation satisfies the chain-union condition for directed systems would confirm that the central claim of being an AEC is not affected by the change.
- [§5.1] §5.1: The explicit non-amalgamable diagram witnessing failure of AP is presented, yet the argument that no amalgam exists inside hat K relies on the specific form of ≤_p; a short calculation showing that any candidate amalgam would violate the purity condition on at least one of the embeddings would make the non-amalgamation claim fully load-bearing and self-contained.
minor comments (2)
- The notation switches between hat K and boldface K in the abstract and early sections; uniform use of one convention throughout would reduce minor confusion.
- [Introduction] A brief sentence in the introduction recalling the precise statement of the original Paolini-Shelah example (rather than only citing the section) would help readers see exactly which features were isolated by the variation.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We are grateful to the referee for the careful reading of our manuscript and for the helpful suggestions. We address each major comment below and will revise the paper accordingly.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [§4] §4: The variation of the purity relation ≤_p is defined by modifying the original Paolini-Shelah parameters, but the verification that this modification preserves the AEC axioms (in particular coherence and the smoothness property) is only sketched; an explicit check that the new relation satisfies the chain-union condition for directed systems would confirm that the central claim of being an AEC is not affected by the change.
Authors: We agree that an explicit verification of the chain-union condition would strengthen the presentation. In the revised manuscript, we will include a detailed calculation showing that the modified ≤_p satisfies the required properties for directed systems, adapting the argument from the original Paolini-Shelah paper to our parameter choices. This will confirm that the AEC axioms hold without relying solely on the sketch. revision: yes
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Referee: [§5.1] §5.1: The explicit non-amalgamable diagram witnessing failure of AP is presented, yet the argument that no amalgam exists inside hat K relies on the specific form of ≤_p; a short calculation showing that any candidate amalgam would violate the purity condition on at least one of the embeddings would make the non-amalgamation claim fully load-bearing and self-contained.
Authors: Thank you for this suggestion. We will add a short explicit calculation in §5.1 demonstrating that any potential amalgam in hat K would necessarily violate the purity condition ≤_p for at least one of the embeddings. This will make the failure of amalgamation self-contained and independent of external references. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity in the derivation chain
full rationale
The paper defines the class hat K directly via a variation on the external Paolini-Shelah construction and verifies the AEC axioms, non-stability, JEP without AP, and (<aleph0)-tameness through explicit definitions of the purity relation ≤_p together with concrete counterexamples for the failure of amalgamation and stability. No parameters are fitted, no equations reduce the target properties to the inputs by construction, and the single reference to prior work is not a self-citation load-bearing step. The derivation is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption The structure (hat K, ≤_p) satisfies the axioms of an abstract elementary class with LS number aleph0
invented entities (1)
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hat K class of torsion-free abelian groups with ≤_p
no independent evidence
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