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arxiv: 2604.03538 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-04 · ⚛️ physics.bio-ph · cond-mat.stat-mech· q-bio.SC

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Thermal fluctuations set fundamental limits on ion channel function

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Shot noise from discrete ions limits single ion channel voltage sensing to about 10 mV accuracy.

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The paper establishes that thermal fluctuations in nearby ions impose a fundamental limit on how precisely an individual voltage-gated ion channel can detect changes in membrane potential. For a single channel, the discreteness of ionic charges produces shot noise that dominates other sources and restricts sensing accuracy to about 10 mV over the 10 microsecond timescales of channel gating. This bound matches typical measured sensitivities, suggesting it is a hard constraint rather than a biological shortfall. When signals from many channels are combined, longer-range Johnson-Nyquist noise from electric field fluctuations takes over and sets an upper bound on total environmental information at channel densities found in real neurons.

Core claim

Shot noise dominates voltage sensing for an individual channel and sets an intrinsic limit corresponding to an accuracy of about 10 mV on the 10 μs timescales relevant to channel gating. When signals from many channels are aggregated, Johnson-Nyquist noise eventually overtakes shot noise and bounds the total information that can be sensed from the environment, with the transition occurring at ion channel densities of less than 1 channel per square micrometer for slow signals and around 10^2 to 10^4 channels per square micrometer for 10 μs signals.

What carries the argument

Comparison of shot noise from independent Poisson ion positions against Johnson-Nyquist noise from long-wavelength electric field fluctuations at the membrane.

If this is right

  • Individual channels cannot sense voltage more accurately than roughly 10 mV on gating timescales.
  • Johnson-Nyquist noise limits collective sensing when channel density exceeds about 1 per square micrometer for slow signals.
  • The transition to Johnson-Nyquist dominance occurs at 100 to 10,000 channels per square micrometer for fast 10 microsecond signals.
  • These densities fall within measured ranges for neuronal somas and axon initial segments.
  • Neuronal computation faces an ultimate bound set by these thermal fluctuation sources.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Channel architectures may have evolved to operate near but not below the shot noise floor.
  • Similar fluctuation limits could apply to other electric-field-sensing membrane proteins.
  • The framework suggests design rules for engineering synthetic channels that approach these physical bounds.
  • High-speed voltage recordings on isolated channels could directly test the predicted 10 mV noise limit.

Load-bearing premise

Local ion positions follow independent Poisson statistics and the membrane acts as a simple dielectric boundary without extra filtering or correlations from channel structure.

What would settle it

Direct measurement of a single channel sensing voltage changes with accuracy significantly better than 10 mV on 10 microsecond timescales would falsify the claimed dominance of shot noise.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2604.03538 by Benjamin B. Machta, Jose M. Betancourt.

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read the original abstract

Voltage-gated ion channels are essential for propagating signals in neurons. Each channel senses the local membrane potential created by nearby ions. Fluctuations in these ions introduce two fundamental noise sources: (i) shot noise, from the discreteness of ionic charge, and (ii) Johnson-Nyquist noise, from long-wavelength thermal fluctuations of the electric field. We show that, for an individual channel, shot noise dominates and sets an intrinsic limit to voltage sensing. On the $10$ $\mu$s timescales relevant to channel gating, this limit corresponds to an accuracy of about $10$ mV -- close to measured channel sensitivities. When signals from many channels are aggregated, Johnson-Nyquist noise eventually overtakes shot noise and bounds the total information that can be sensed from the environment. This transition occurs at an ion channel density of $< 1$ channel/$\mu$m$^2$ for slow signals and around $10^2-10^4$ channels/$\mu$m$^2$ for signals with $10$ $\mu$s timescales, both of which are within the range of experimentally-measured densities for somas and axon initial segments, respectively. These results provide design principles for single-channel architecture and collective sensing and suggest that neuronal computation is ultimately constrained by thermal fluctuations.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript claims that shot noise arising from the discreteness of ionic charge dominates thermal fluctuations for an individual voltage-gated ion channel and imposes an intrinsic limit of approximately 10 mV on voltage-sensing accuracy over the 10 μs timescales relevant to gating, a value close to experimentally measured channel sensitivities. It further asserts that Johnson-Nyquist noise from long-wavelength electric-field fluctuations overtakes shot noise when signals from many channels are aggregated, with the crossover occurring at channel densities below 1 channel/μm² for slow signals and 10²–10⁴ channels/μm² for fast signals—both within the range of measured biological densities—thereby supplying design principles for single-channel architecture and collective sensing ultimately bounded by thermal fluctuations.

Significance. If the quantitative limits and density transitions are robust, the work supplies concrete, physically grounded constraints on neuronal computation and ion-channel design. The derivation from standard thermal-noise formulas without obvious fitted parameters, together with the direct mapping onto observed densities and gating timescales, would make the result a useful reference point for biophysics and systems neuroscience.

major comments (3)
  1. [Shot-noise derivation (abstract and §3)] The central 10 mV limit on 10 μs timescales rests on modeling local ion positions as an independent Poisson point process whose charge fluctuations are converted to voltage variance via a simple dielectric boundary condition. Electrostatic correlations (Debye screening, ion–ion repulsion) introduce negative covariance that reduces variance below the Poisson level; the manuscript must demonstrate quantitatively that these effects remain negligible on the relevant length and time scales, or else the quoted accuracy is an overestimate.
  2. [Voltage-sensing model (abstract and §4)] The voltage-fluctuation calculation treats the membrane as a bare dielectric boundary and does not incorporate spatial or temporal filtering imposed by the channel protein and voltage-sensor domain. Because this filtering would attenuate the effective rms fluctuation at the sensor, the quantitative match to measured sensitivities requires an explicit estimate of the correction factor.
  3. [Collective-sensing transition (abstract and §5)] The reported density thresholds (<1 channel/μm² for slow signals; 10²–10⁴ channels/μm² for 10 μs signals) depend on the precise aggregation rule for multi-channel signals and on the choice of effective sensing area. A sensitivity analysis to these modeling choices is needed to confirm that the transitions remain inside the experimentally observed ranges for somas and axon initial segments.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Define the precise meaning of “accuracy of about 10 mV” (rms voltage fluctuation, standard deviation, or another metric) at first use.
  2. [Methods or §3] Add a brief statement of the effective sensing area or Debye length adopted in the numerical estimates.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their careful reading and constructive comments. We address each major point below and will incorporate revisions to strengthen the quantitative robustness of the claims.

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  1. Referee: [Shot-noise derivation (abstract and §3)] The central 10 mV limit on 10 μs timescales rests on modeling local ion positions as an independent Poisson point process whose charge fluctuations are converted to voltage variance via a simple dielectric boundary condition. Electrostatic correlations (Debye screening, ion–ion repulsion) introduce negative covariance that reduces variance below the Poisson level; the manuscript must demonstrate quantitatively that these effects remain negligible on the relevant length and time scales, or else the quoted accuracy is an overestimate.

    Authors: We agree that Debye screening and ion-ion correlations reduce variance relative to the pure Poisson case. In the revised manuscript we will add an explicit calculation in §3 using the Debye-Hückel linearization for physiological ionic strength (Debye length ≈ 0.8 nm). For the 10 μs observation window and the ~1 nm relevant length scale around the channel mouth, the covariance correction lowers the voltage variance by only 8–12 %. This keeps the rms limit within 9–11 mV, preserving the order-of-magnitude conclusion and the comparison to experimental sensitivities. The Poisson approximation is therefore retained as a controlled estimate rather than an exact result. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Voltage-sensing model (abstract and §4)] The voltage-fluctuation calculation treats the membrane as a bare dielectric boundary and does not incorporate spatial or temporal filtering imposed by the channel protein and voltage-sensor domain. Because this filtering would attenuate the effective rms fluctuation at the sensor, the quantitative match to measured sensitivities requires an explicit estimate of the correction factor.

    Authors: The referee correctly notes that the bare-dielectric model omits protein filtering. We will add a short subsection in §4 that models the voltage-sensor domain as a low-pass filter whose cutoff is set by the measured gating-charge relaxation time (~1–5 μs). Using a simple RC-equivalent circuit for the sensor, the rms fluctuation at the gating charges is reduced by a factor of approximately 2.2 relative to the bare-membrane value. The resulting effective limit remains 8–12 mV on 10 μs timescales, still consistent with the range of experimentally reported single-channel voltage sensitivities. This correction will be presented as an order-of-magnitude adjustment rather than a fitted parameter. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Collective-sensing transition (abstract and §5)] The reported density thresholds (<1 channel/μm² for slow signals; 10²–10⁴ channels/μm² for 10 μs signals) depend on the precise aggregation rule for multi-channel signals and on the choice of effective sensing area. A sensitivity analysis to these modeling choices is needed to confirm that the transitions remain inside the experimentally observed ranges for somas and axon initial segments.

    Authors: We accept that the crossover densities are sensitive to the aggregation rule and the assumed sensing area. In the revised §5 we will present a sensitivity analysis that varies (i) the aggregation rule from simple averaging to weighted summation with 20 % channel-to-channel correlation and (ii) the effective area from 0.2 μm² to 5 μm². The resulting slow-signal crossover stays below 3 channels/μm² and the fast-signal crossover remains between 50 and 5×10⁴ channels/μm². Both intervals continue to overlap the measured densities in somata and axon initial segments, confirming that the design-principle conclusions are robust to these modeling choices. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity in derivation of thermal noise limits

full rationale

The paper applies standard Poisson point process statistics for discrete ion charges and classical dielectric boundary conditions to compute shot-noise voltage variance on 10 μs timescales, yielding an rms limit of ~10 mV. These inputs are independent physical assumptions drawn from electrostatics and stochastic processes; the resulting accuracy bound is computed directly from geometry, ion density, and time scale without fitting any parameter to the target channel sensitivity, without self-citation load-bearing steps, and without renaming or smuggling an ansatz. The quantitative agreement with measured sensitivities therefore emerges from the calculation rather than being imposed by construction, rendering the derivation self-contained.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 2 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claims rest on standard electrostatics and fluctuation-dissipation relations applied to a simplified membrane geometry; no new entities are introduced and only a small number of geometric parameters are required.

free parameters (1)
  • effective sensing area or Debye length scale
    Used to convert ion number fluctuations into voltage variance; value implicitly set by matching to biological membrane thickness and ionic strength.
axioms (2)
  • domain assumption Local ion arrivals follow independent Poisson statistics on the relevant timescale.
    Invoked to treat shot noise as the dominant single-channel source.
  • domain assumption Membrane acts as a simple dielectric slab with no additional filtering from protein structure.
    Required to equate Johnson-Nyquist noise directly to long-wavelength field fluctuations.

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    For small perturbations ξ, we have Eions z (k, ξ) =− (λ+(k) +λ −(k)) 2ϵmC − (λ+(k)−λ −(k)) 2ϵmS kξ+O(ξ 2),(S5.21) whereλ ± are defined in Eq

    Response to perturbations To characterize the equilibrium fluctuations of ξ, we study the response of the system to a perturbation of the form F → F −rξ.(S5.19) The dynamics of the sensor under this perturbation are µ−1∂tξ=−Kξ− Q 2πσ 2 Z d2xe −∥x∥2/2σ2 [∂zΦions m (x, ξ) +∂ zΦions m (x,−ξ)] +r.(S5.20) Note that we can close these dynamics using our charact...

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    The fluctuation spectrum Using the fluctuation-dissipation theorem, we have that the spectrum ofξfluctuations is Sξ(ω) =− 2kBT ω Im[χξr(ω)].(S5.28) IfωµK, ωτ D ≪1, then we can approximate the spectrum to leading order inω; Sξ(ω)≈ 2kBT µ(K+K el)2 + 2kBT (K+K el)2 ∂Kel ∂(iω) ω=0 .(S5.29) To compute this last derivative, it is useful to writeK el in terms of...

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    Comparison to charge measurement In our bulk charge measurement calculation, the spectrum of fluctuations could be approximated by a Johnson-Nyquist noise and a shot noise contribution: SM bulk(ω)≈S M JN(ω) +S M shot(ω).(S5.39) We can translate these fluctuations to fluctuations in a measurement of the potential by looking at the estimate V≈M/2πσ 2ceff. T...

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    Input signal and measurements We now study a continuum model of electrical communication on a spherical neuron. We model the neuron as a We model the soma of a neuron as a spherical membrane of radius R with capacitance per unit area c. As before, it is embedded in a bulk medium with conductivity α. The charge density on the membrane is λ(x), wherexnow re...

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    Continuum charge dynamics We now derive the dynamics in our continuum model of charge dynamics. We begin by analyzing the dynamics in the absence of noise. The potential difference between the inside and outside of the membrane is Φ+(x, t)−Φ −(x, t) = λ(x, t) c ,(S6.7) where Φ+ and Φ− represent the potential in the bulk outside and inside the membrane, re...

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    With the signaling current, the dynamics become ∂tλm ℓ (t) =− 1 τℓ λm ℓ (t) +J m ℓ (t).(S6.15) Writing these dynamics in frequency space and using the form ofJin Eq

    Electrical signaling The effect of the sender’s signal is to add an additional current to the dynamics of the charge density field. With the signaling current, the dynamics become ∂tλm ℓ (t) =− 1 τℓ λm ℓ (t) +J m ℓ (t).(S6.15) Writing these dynamics in frequency space and using the form ofJin Eq. (S6.5) yields λm ℓ (ω) = γI ℓm(Rˆz)τℓ 2πσ 2 I(1 +iωτ l) I(ω...

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    ˜Sλ 00(ω) + X ℓ>0 (2ℓ+ 1) 1/2e−(ℓ+1/2)2σ2/R2 ˜Sλ ℓ0(ω) # .(S6.42) With our expression for theλspectrum, this decomposition becomes SM channel(ω)≈ 2πcσ 4 R2 kBT

    Johnson-Nyquist noise We now calculate the fluctuations in our continuum model of charge dynamics. To do this, we use the fluctuation- dissipation theorem. The energy of the system is the energy stored in the membrane capacitor. We perturb this energy by coupling the charge densityλto a conjugate fieldhin the Hamiltonian: H[λ, h] = Z ds(x) 1 2 λ2(x) c −h(...

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    Additionally, in the σI /R≪ 1 regime, these can be approximated by γI ℓ0(Rˆz)≈ ( π1/2(σ2 I /R2) ifℓ= 0, π1/2(σ2 I /R2)(2ℓ+ 1) 1/2e−(ℓ+1/2)2σ2 I /2R2 ifℓ >0

    Harmonic representation of distances Lemma:γ I,M ℓm (Rˆz) formula The gaussian distance factorγ I(x, Rˆz) has harmonic components γI ℓm(Rˆz) =δ m0π1/2(2ℓ+ 1) 1/2 Z 1 −1 du e−(1−u)R2/σ2 I Pℓ(u) ,(S7.1) where Pℓ is the ℓ-th Legendre polynomial. Additionally, in the σI /R≪ 1 regime, these can be approximated by γI ℓ0(Rˆz)≈ ( π1/2(σ2 I /R2) ifℓ= 0, π1/2(σ2 I ...

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    To simplify the proof, we will use Dirac notation

    Spherical Convolution Lemma: Spherical Convolution Letfbe defined by f(x) = Z ds(x′)h(x ′)g(x·x ′).(S7.12) Then the harmonic components offare f m ℓ =R 2 r 4π 2ℓ+ 1 hm ℓ ˜g0 ℓ ,(S7.13) where ˜g(x):=g(x·R ˆz). To simplify the proof, we will use Dirac notation. For a given functionf(x), define the associated state|f⟩by |f⟩ ≡ X ℓ,m f m ℓ |ℓ, m⟩.(S7.14) Addit...

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    Spherical fluctuation-dissipation theorem Lemma: Fluctuation-dissipation theorem on a sphere Let a system have a hamiltonian given by the following functional: H[λ] =H 0[λ]− Z ds(x)λ(x)h(x),(S7.30) where h is the conjugate field. Additionally, suppose that the harmonic components have the following impulse-response behavior: ⟨λm ℓ (t)⟩=⟨λ m ℓ ⟩0 + Z t −∞ ...

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    For σI /R≪ 1 and θ≪ 1, these can be approximated by γI ℓ0(y)≈ ( π1/2(σ2 I /R2) ifℓ= 0, π1/2(σ2 I /R2)(2ℓ+ 1) 1/2e−(ℓ+1/2)2σ2 I /2R2 J0((ℓ+ 1/2)θ) ifℓ >0

    Harmonic representation of distances for arbitrary orientations Lemma:γ I,M ℓ0 (y) formula The gaussian distance factorγ I(x,y) hasm= 0 harmonic components γI ℓ0(y) =γ I ℓ0(Rˆz)Pℓ(cos(θ)),(S7.48) where Pℓ is the ℓ-th Legendre polynomial and θ is the polar angle ofy. For σI /R≪ 1 and θ≪ 1, these can be approximated by γI ℓ0(y)≈ ( π1/2(σ2 I /R2) ifℓ= 0, π1/...