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Internal structures in the category of right-preordered groups
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The pith
The category of right-preordered groups is S-protomodular and action representable relative to Schreier split epimorphisms, with S-crossed modules matching Schreier internal categories.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The central claim is that the category of right-preordered groups, when restricted to the class S of Schreier split epimorphisms, is both S-protomodular and action representable. Under this restriction, S-precrossed modules correspond precisely to Schreier internal reflexive graphs, and S-crossed modules correspond precisely to Schreier internal categories. The paper also characterizes which of these internal categories are groupoids and supplies concrete examples.
What carries the argument
The class S of Schreier split epimorphisms, which restricts the category so that protomodularity, action representability, and the exact correspondence between S-crossed modules and internal categories all hold.
If this is right
- Internal reflexive graphs and internal categories can be defined and studied inside right-preordered groups using the S-restriction.
- S-crossed modules give an explicit algebraic description of actions and extensions that respect the preorder.
- Groupoids among the Schreier internal categories admit a direct characterization in terms of the underlying right-preordered groups.
- Lattices of effective equivalence relations in right-preordered groups mirror the structure already known for groups.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same S-restriction technique may transfer to other quasivarieties of preordered algebras once a suitable class of split epimorphisms is identified.
- The correspondence between crossed modules and internal categories opens the possibility of using these internal structures to model ordered group actions in a categorical setting.
- Concrete examples of Schreier internal categories could be used to test whether known constructions in ordered groups lift to the internal level.
Load-bearing premise
The class S of Schreier split epimorphisms must be non-trivial and closed under the pullbacks and compositions needed for the protomodularity and action-representability arguments to go through.
What would settle it
Exhibit a specific right-preordered group and a Schreier split epimorphism whose pullback along another morphism fails to be Schreier, or produce an S-crossed module whose corresponding reflexive graph is not internal to the category.
read the original abstract
We give explicit axioms for the algebraic theory of the quasivarieties of right-preordered groups and preordered groups. We then look at lattices of effective equivalence relations, which turn out to be similar to the lattices of equivalence relations in the category of groups. Once this is established, we study internal structures in the category of right-preordered groups. We start with some general results and then prove the S-protomodularity of the category of right-preordered groups, when considering the class S of Schreier split epimorphisms. Following this, we investigate further and prove that the category of right-preordered groups turns out to be action representable when we restrict our attention to split epimorphisms in S. Relatively to this class of split epimorphisms, we define the notion of S-precrossed modules, and then of S-crossed modules; that correspond exactly to Schreier internal reflexive graphs and Schreier internal categories, respectively. Lastly, we characterize groupoids among Schreier internal categories and give some examples.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper provides explicit axioms for the quasivarieties of right-preordered groups and preordered groups. It shows that lattices of effective equivalence relations in these categories are similar to those in the category of groups. Building on this, it proves that the category of right-preordered groups is S-protomodular with respect to the class S of Schreier split epimorphisms, and that it is action representable when restricted to split epimorphisms in S. It defines S-precrossed modules and S-crossed modules, establishing bijections with Schreier internal reflexive graphs and Schreier internal categories respectively, characterizes groupoids among the latter, and provides examples.
Significance. If the central claims hold, the work extends the theory of protomodular and action-representable categories to the setting of right-preordered groups, furnishing a framework for internal structures (reflexive graphs, categories, groupoids) and modules in this algebraic context. The explicit quasivariety axioms and the lattice-similarity observation are concrete strengths that ground the subsequent results and may enable applications in ordered algebraic structures or categorical algebra.
major comments (2)
- [§4] §4 (S-protomodularity): The argument that the class S of Schreier split epimorphisms is stable under pullbacks (required for S-protomodularity) invokes the similarity of effective equivalence relation lattices to the group case, but does not explicitly verify that the right-invariant preorder is preserved under the pullback morphisms while maintaining the Schreier condition. This stability is load-bearing for the protomodularity claim and needs a dedicated lemma or direct check.
- [§5] §5 (action representability): The proof that the category is action representable relative to S relies on the same pullback-stability property of S; without an explicit confirmation that pullbacks of Schreier split epimorphisms remain Schreier (accounting for the preorder), the representability result is not fully supported.
minor comments (2)
- [§2] The notation for the right-preorder and the Schreier condition could be introduced with a dedicated preliminary subsection to improve readability before the lattice comparison.
- [§6] A few diagrams illustrating the correspondence between S-crossed modules and internal categories would clarify the bijections claimed in §6.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading of the manuscript and for identifying the need for more explicit verification regarding the stability of the class S under pullbacks. We address the major comments point by point below and will revise the paper accordingly.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [§4] §4 (S-protomodularity): The argument that the class S of Schreier split epimorphisms is stable under pullbacks (required for S-protomodularity) invokes the similarity of effective equivalence relation lattices to the group case, but does not explicitly verify that the right-invariant preorder is preserved under the pullback morphisms while maintaining the Schreier condition. This stability is load-bearing for the protomodularity claim and needs a dedicated lemma or direct check.
Authors: We agree that the current argument relies on the lattice similarity without a direct check on preorder preservation and the Schreier condition in the pullback. Although the similarity to the group case provides the underlying equivalence relation structure, the right-invariant preorder requires separate confirmation to ensure the pulled-back morphism remains in S. In the revised version, we will insert a dedicated lemma immediately preceding the S-protomodularity theorem that explicitly verifies these properties for arbitrary pullbacks of Schreier split epimorphisms in the category of right-preordered groups. revision: yes
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Referee: [§5] §5 (action representability): The proof that the category is action representable relative to S relies on the same pullback-stability property of S; without an explicit confirmation that pullbacks of Schreier split epimorphisms remain Schreier (accounting for the preorder), the representability result is not fully supported.
Authors: We acknowledge that the action-representability result in §5 depends on the pullback stability established for S-protomodularity. To resolve this, the new lemma added for §4 will be referenced and applied directly in the proof of action representability, confirming that the pulled-back split epimorphism remains Schreier while preserving the right-invariant preorder. This will make the dependence on stability fully explicit and supported. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: definitions and proofs are self-contained from explicit axioms
full rationale
The paper begins by giving explicit axioms for the quasivarieties of right-preordered groups and preordered groups, then compares lattices of effective equivalence relations to the group case, and proceeds to prove S-protomodularity and action representability for the class S of Schreier split epimorphisms, along with correspondences for S-precrossed and S-crossed modules. All steps rely on these new definitions and standard categorical arguments rather than reducing any central claim to a fitted parameter, self-referential definition, or load-bearing self-citation chain. No equation or result is shown to be equivalent to its inputs by construction, making the derivation independent and non-circular.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- standard math Standard axioms of category theory and the theory of groups
- domain assumption The class S of Schreier split epimorphisms is stable under the required pullbacks and compositions
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