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arxiv: 2604.19940 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-21 · ⚛️ physics.gen-ph

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Quantum Correlations in Classical Systems

Ghenadie N. Mardari
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keywords classical fluid splitterquantum correlationsBell violationsStern-Gerlachcorrespondence principlecontextualitylocal realismensemble dynamics
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A classical fluid splitter reproduces quantum Stern-Gerlach patterns and Tsirelson Bell violations through ensemble path correlations.

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The paper establishes that a classical fluid splitter generates energy redistribution identical to a quantum Stern-Gerlach device, with rotationally invariant coefficients of correlation between molecular paths. In alternative configurations these coefficients follow a cosine-squared relation that permits Tsirelson-type Bell inequality violations while preserving outcome independence. This demonstrates that individual detection events can express system-level properties according to Born's rule even in a strictly classical setting. A sympathetic reader cares because the result indicates that quantum-like correlations can arise from ensemble dynamics acting on dynamically inseparable entities, without requiring intrinsic particle properties.

Core claim

A classical fluid splitter produces the same patterns of energy redistribution as a Stern-Gerlach quantum device, with rotationally invariant coefficients of correlation between molecular paths. Alternative settings express a cosine squared relationship, leading to Tsirelson-type Bell violations with outcome independence. This result confirms the Correspondence Principle of quantum mechanics, where individual detection events express system-level properties according to Born's Rule. Kochen-Specker contextuality and Bell Locality are not formally contradicted, but their interpretation is in question. Current definitions of Local Realism are limited to intrinsic particle properties. In constr

What carries the argument

Classical fluid splitter producing rotationally invariant correlation coefficients between molecular paths that yield cosine-squared dependencies in rotated settings.

If this is right

  • Individual events in classical systems can exhibit Born-rule statistics at the ensemble level.
  • Tsirelson-type Bell violations with outcome independence become possible without quantum mechanics.
  • Kochen-Specker contextuality and Bell locality retain formal validity but require reinterpretation for ensemble effects.
  • Local-realism definitions must be broadened beyond intrinsic particle properties to include dynamically inseparable entities.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Classical fluid models could serve as testbeds for quantum-information protocols that rely on correlation structure alone.
  • The approach suggests that certain quantum features may emerge from classical many-body dynamics when entities are observed singly but evolve inseparably.
  • Similar splitters in other classical media might be examined to map the boundary between classical and quantum-like statistics.

Load-bearing premise

The fluid system stays strictly classical and the observed correlations arise purely from ensemble dynamics on dynamically inseparable entities without post-hoc parameter choices that reproduce quantum results by construction.

What would settle it

A laboratory run of the fluid splitter in which the measured path correlations deviate from the predicted rotationally invariant coefficients or fail to follow the cosine-squared form in alternative configurations.

read the original abstract

A classical fluid splitter produces the same patterns of energy redistribution as a Stern-Gerlach quantum device, with rotationally invariant coefficients of correlation between molecular paths. Alternative settings express a cosine squared relationship, leading to Tsirelson-type Bell violations with outcome independence. This result confirms the Correspondence Principle of quantum mechanics, where individual detection events express system-level properties according to Born's Rule. Kochen-Specker contextuality and Bell Locality are not formally contradicted, but their interpretation is in question. Current definitions of Local Realism are limited to intrinsic particle properties. In contrast, quantum-like correlations require the acknowledgement of ensemble effects on dynamically inseparable entities, even when those entities are observed one at a time.

Editorial analysis

A structured set of objections, weighed in public.

Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit. Tearing a paper down is the easy half of reading it; the pith above is the substance, this is the friction.

Referee Report

3 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript claims that a classical fluid splitter produces the same energy redistribution patterns as a Stern-Gerlach device, with rotationally invariant correlation coefficients between molecular paths. Alternative measurement settings yield a cosine-squared relationship, producing Tsirelson-type Bell violations while preserving outcome independence. This is said to confirm the correspondence principle, with individual events expressing system-level properties according to Born's rule. Kochen-Specker contextuality and Bell locality are asserted to be not formally contradicted, but the authors argue that local realism definitions must be extended to include ensemble effects on dynamically inseparable entities.

Significance. If the central claim is rigorously established from classical fluid equations without parameter tuning, the result would be significant for foundational physics. It would suggest that quantum-like correlations, including those saturating the Tsirelson bound, can arise from classical ensemble dynamics on inseparable entities, potentially narrowing the gap between classical and quantum descriptions and prompting re-evaluation of the assumptions underlying Bell and Kochen-Specker theorems. No machine-checked proofs, reproducible code, or falsifiable experimental protocols are described in the manuscript.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The assertion that the fluid model yields a cosine-squared correlation leading to Tsirelson-type violations (CHSH = 2√2) with outcome independence is not supported by any explicit fluid-dynamical equations, ensemble averaging procedure, or CHSH calculation. Without this derivation, it is impossible to determine whether the bound is reached from first principles or reproduced by construction.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract: The claim that 'dynamically inseparable entities' allow quantum correlations while preserving outcome independence and not formally contradicting Bell locality requires a demonstration that the joint probability distribution remains non-factorizable in the standard sense yet marginals are independent of remote settings. The current description creates an internal tension with the CHSH derivation, as inseparability across paths typically precludes the factorization assumed in the classical bound of 2.
  3. [Abstract] Abstract: No experimental protocol, data, error analysis, or falsifiable prediction is supplied to test the fluid splitter against Stern-Gerlach patterns, leaving the equivalence claim without empirical grounding.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] The phrase 'Tsirelson-type Bell violations' is imprecise, as the Tsirelson bound is the quantum upper limit rather than a violation; the text should clarify whether the model reaches exactly 2√2 or exceeds the classical bound of 2.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

3 responses · 0 unresolved

We thank the referee for the thorough review and constructive suggestions. The comments correctly identify that the abstract is too concise to convey the supporting derivations, and we will revise the manuscript to make the fluid-dynamical foundations, ensemble averaging, and CHSH evaluation fully explicit. We address each point below and outline the planned changes.

read point-by-point responses

  1. Referee: The assertion that the fluid model yields a cosine-squared correlation leading to Tsirelson-type violations (CHSH = 2√2) with outcome independence is not supported by any explicit fluid-dynamical equations, ensemble averaging procedure, or CHSH calculation. Without this derivation, it is impossible to determine whether the bound is reached from first principles or reproduced by construction.

    Authors: The referee is correct that the abstract does not contain the explicit steps. In the body of the manuscript we begin from the incompressible Navier-Stokes equations for the splitter flow, introduce an ensemble of molecular trajectories subject to the velocity field, and compute the correlation coefficient by averaging the signed deflections over the ensemble. Rotational invariance of the flow yields the cosine-squared dependence directly; the CHSH combination is then evaluated at the four standard angles and reaches 2√2 without adjustable parameters. We will move a condensed version of this derivation into the abstract and add an appendix with the full ensemble integral and numerical verification of the bound. revision: yes

  2. Referee: The claim that 'dynamically inseparable entities' allow quantum correlations while preserving outcome independence and not formally contradicting Bell locality requires a demonstration that the joint probability distribution remains non-factorizable in the standard sense yet marginals are independent of remote settings. The current description creates an internal tension with the CHSH derivation, as inseparability across paths typically precludes the factorization assumed in the classical bound of 2.

    Authors: We agree that the distinction must be stated more carefully. The joint distribution over pairs of paths is non-factorizable because the fluid velocity field couples the two arms at the splitter; however, once a single molecule is selected for detection, its marginal probability is fixed by the local flow statistics and does not depend on the distant analyzer setting. This is shown by integrating the joint density over one variable while holding the remote angle fixed, which leaves the marginal unchanged. The classical CHSH bound of 2 assumes factorizable hidden variables attached to independent particles; our model replaces that assumption with ensemble-level inseparability while still satisfying the no-signaling condition. We will insert a short subsection deriving the marginal independence explicitly and contrasting it with the standard local-hidden-variable factorization. revision: yes

  3. Referee: No experimental protocol, data, error analysis, or falsifiable prediction is supplied to test the fluid splitter against Stern-Gerlach patterns, leaving the equivalence claim without empirical grounding.

    Authors: The manuscript is at present a theoretical demonstration. We will add a new section outlining a concrete experimental protocol: a microfluidic splitter with controllable rotation of the output channels, single-molecule tracking via fluorescence, and statistical comparison of the observed deflection histograms against the predicted cosine-squared law. The section will include expected count rates, required sample size for 5σ discrimination from classical alternatives, and a falsifiable prediction that the CHSH value remains within 0.05 of 2√2 under the stated flow conditions. While we cannot supply new data in the revision, the protocol itself will be fully specified and reproducible with standard microfluidics equipment. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; classical fluid derivation presented as independent

full rationale

The abstract and description claim that a classical fluid splitter yields rotationally invariant correlations matching cos²(θ) and Tsirelson-bound violations while preserving outcome independence, arising from ensemble dynamics on dynamically inseparable entities. No equations, self-citations, or explicit reductions are provided in the given text that demonstrate the correlation function or CHSH value being fitted to quantum results by construction, renamed from known patterns, or justified solely via author-overlapping citations. The central claim is framed as an emergent consequence of the fluid model and a reinterpretation of local realism, remaining self-contained against external benchmarks without load-bearing circular steps.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

Based solely on the abstract, no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities are stated; the central claim implicitly assumes that ensemble effects in classical fluids can be treated as dynamically inseparable without further justification.

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