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The Dyson Minds 2025 Workshop: SETI around Black Holes

Anamaria Berea, Daniel Angerhausen, Jason T. Wright, Joseph Bates, Manushaqe Muco, Martin Elvis, Olivia Curtis, Richard Linares, S. Seager, Steven J. Dick, Sunil P. Khatri, Van Hunter Adams

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Workshop on Dyson Minds recommends anomaly detection on archival data to search for intelligence around supermassive black holes.

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The paper summarizes the Dyson Minds 2025 Workshop, which examined post-biological intelligences that could harvest energy from supermassive black holes. Discussions covered the physical limits on building and stabilizing such systems, the trade-offs in power versus communication for distributed minds, and how behavior as unified entities or loose collectives would change what observers might detect. The central outcome is a recommendation to apply anomaly-detection methods to existing datasets from WISE, JWST, and the Event Horizon Telescope to surface unusual sources that standard pipelines might miss. This strategy focuses on using already-collected observations to look for signs of large-scale engineering near the universe's most energetic objects.

Core claim

The workshop concluded that the architecture and behavior of Dyson Minds—large-scale post-biological intelligences powered by supermassive black holes—strongly shape their observational signatures, with thermodynamic and mechanical limits plus power-communication trade-offs determining detectability, and therefore that anomaly-detection methods applied to archival datasets including those from WISE, JWST, and the Event Horizon Telescope could identify unusual sources overlooked by standard reduction pipelines.

What carries the argument

Dyson Minds as post-biological systems operating near supermassive black holes, where details of coherence versus loose coordination and stability limits directly determine the form of potential technosignatures.

If this is right

  • Whether Dyson Minds function as single coherent entities or as loosely coordinated collectives would change the expected form of their observational signatures.
  • Thermodynamic, mechanical, and stability limits would constrain the possible sizes and configurations of structures harvesting energy near supermassive black holes.
  • Trade-offs between power availability and communication latency would shape the operational behavior and therefore the detectability of distributed minds.
  • Anomaly detection applied to archival data could reveal candidates that standard processing pipelines overlook.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Cross-referencing anomalies across multiple instruments could help separate artificial signals from natural variability.
  • The same anomaly-detection approach could be tested on other potential technosignature sites beyond black holes.
  • Advances in machine learning for anomaly detection might reduce the false-positive rate and make the method more practical for large datasets.

Load-bearing premise

Signatures from Dyson Minds would be distinguishable from natural astrophysical phenomena and anomaly detection applied to existing pipelines would reliably surface them without excessive false positives.

What would settle it

A full run of anomaly-detection algorithms on the WISE, JWST, and Event Horizon Telescope archives that returns only sources explainable by known natural processes would show that the recommended approach does not readily isolate Dyson Mind candidates.

read the original abstract

The Dyson Minds 2025 Workshop, held at the Center for Brains, Minds & Machines at MIT and organized by Penn State, MIT, and The Ultraintelligence Foundation, brought together researchers in astrophysics, engineering, artificial intelligence, computer science, and philosophy to examine "Dyson Minds" -- large-scale post-biological intelligences powered by energy harvested from supermassive black holes (SMBHs). Building on the ideas of F. J. Dyson (1960, 1966) and I. J. Good (1966), participants explored the physical, engineering, behavioral, and observational consequences of civilizations embodied as machinery operating near the universe's most powerful energy sources. The workshop aimed to develop new observational strategies capable of detecting signatures of such systems. Despite the highly cross-disciplinary scope, discussions centered on how a Dyson Mind might be constructed, how it might behave, and how those factors would shape strategies for the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Key themes included the thermodynamic, mechanical, and stability limits of Dyson swarms; the trade-offs between power availability and communication latency in distributed minds; and how observability changes depending on whether Dyson Minds act as coherent entities or as loosely coordinated collectives. Across these topics, the consensus was that details of architecture and behavior strongly influence observational signatures. A major recommendation was to apply anomaly-detection methods to archival datasets, including those from WISE, JWST, and the Event Horizon Telescope, to identify unusual sources potentially overlooked by standard reduction pipelines. By integrating insights from multiple disciplines, the meeting advanced concrete, observation-focused strategies for future technosignature searches around SMBHs.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript reports on the Dyson Minds 2025 Workshop held at the Center for Brains, Minds & Machines at MIT. It summarizes interdisciplinary discussions among astrophysicists, engineers, AI researchers, computer scientists, and philosophers on post-biological 'Dyson Minds' that harvest energy from supermassive black holes, building on Dyson (1960, 1966) and Good (1966). Key themes include thermodynamic and stability limits of Dyson swarms, trade-offs in power versus communication latency, behavioral differences between coherent and collective entities, and resulting observational signatures. The central output is a recommendation to apply anomaly-detection methods to archival data from WISE, JWST, and the Event Horizon Telescope to identify unusual sources missed by standard pipelines.

Significance. The manuscript provides a concise record of cross-disciplinary consensus on an emerging technosignature target class. Its value lies in highlighting how architecture and behavior shape detectability and in directing attention toward existing datasets for anomaly searches. No new data, models, or quantitative predictions are presented, so any broader impact would depend on subsequent observational follow-up inspired by the reported discussions.

minor comments (2)
  1. The recommendation paragraph (final section) would be strengthened by a brief enumeration of example anomaly types or selection criteria that participants had in mind, even at a high level, to make the proposed strategy more actionable for readers.
  2. Consider adding a short participant list or agenda outline (perhaps as an appendix) to document the breadth of expertise represented, which would help readers assess the scope of the consensus reached.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their review and for recommending minor revision. The referee's summary correctly characterizes the manuscript as a concise record of the workshop discussions without new quantitative results or data, consistent with the nature of a workshop report intended to outline emerging ideas and observational strategies.

Circularity Check

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Workshop report contains no derivations or predictions

full rationale

The paper is a descriptive summary of a multidisciplinary workshop discussing concepts around Dyson Minds near black holes. It reports discussions, themes, and a consensus recommendation to apply anomaly detection to archival data, but contains no equations, fitted parameters, quantitative predictions, or load-bearing derivations. No claims reduce to self-referential inputs, self-citations, or ansatzes by construction. All content is observational strategy discussion without internal mathematical closure.

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This is a workshop summary with no quantitative models, data fitting, or new physical postulates; the text introduces no free parameters, axioms, or invented entities that require independent evidence.

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