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Hypergraph extensions of the Alon--Frankl Theorem and rainbow Tur\'an problems
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The pith
The maximum number of edges in an r-uniform hypergraph avoiding both a matching of size s+1 and the r-expansion of K_{ℓ+1} is determined exactly for small s and for large s.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We determine the maximum number of hyperedges in an n-vertex r-uniform hypergraph containing neither a matching M^r_{s+1} nor the expansion K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+} of the clique K_{ℓ+1} for all small s<(ℓ²-1)/2 and all sufficiently large s, respectively. This result partly confirms a conjecture proposed by Gerbner, Tompkins and Zhou. As a key tool, we determine the rainbow hyper-Turán number for expansions of cliques, which is the maximum sum of sizes of a sequence of hypergraphs containing no rainbow copy of a given expanded clique; this extends the graph result of Keevash, Saks, Sudakov and Verstraëte and shows a correlation between the hyper-Turán problem and the rainbow hyper-Turán number.
What carries the argument
The rainbow hyper-Turán number for expansions of cliques, defined as the largest possible sum of edge counts over a sequence of r-uniform hypergraphs with no rainbow copy of K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+}.
If this is right
- The extremal function ex(n, {M^r_{s+1}, K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+}}) equals the size of the natural balanced construction for the stated ranges of s and ℓ.
- The rainbow hyper-Turán number for clique expansions coincides with the classical hyper-Turán number in this setting.
- Part of the conjecture on the maximum edges in hypergraphs with bounded matching number is confirmed.
- The same rainbow technique applies directly to other families of expanded forbidden subhypergraphs.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Rainbow methods may resolve additional classical hypergraph extremal problems that remain open in the non-rainbow setting.
- For intermediate values of s between the small and large regimes, a different extremal construction may be needed.
- The observed correlation suggests that rainbow variants can serve as a general tool for bounding ordinary Turán numbers in uniform hypergraphs.
Load-bearing premise
The rainbow hyper-Turán number for the expanded cliques equals exactly the threshold value needed to force the claimed extremal construction for all sufficiently large n.
What would settle it
An r-uniform hypergraph on sufficiently large n vertices with strictly more edges than the claimed maximum, while containing neither a matching of size s+1 nor a copy of K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+}, for some s in the small or large range.
read the original abstract
Given a graph $F$, the $r$-expansion $F^{(r)+}$ of $F$ is the $r$-uniform hypergraph obtained from $F$ by inserting $r-2$ new distinct vertices in each edge of $F$. Recently, Alon and Frankl (JCTB, 2024) and Gerbner (JGT, 2023) studied the maximum number of edges in $n$-vertex $F$-free graphs with bounded matching number, respectively. Gerbner, Tompkins and Zhou (EJC, 2025) considered the analogous Tur\'{a}n problems on hypergraphs with bounded matching number. In this paper, we study hypergraph extensions of the Alon--Frankl Theorem. More precisely, we determine the maximum number of hyperedges in an $n$-vertex $r$-uniform hypergraph containing neither a matching $M^r_{s+1}$ nor the expansion $K_{\ell+1}^{(r)+}$ of the clique $K_{\ell+1}$ for all small $s<\frac{\ell^2-1}{2}$ and all sufficiently large $s$, respectively. This result partly confirms a conjecture proposed by Gerbner, Tompkins and Zhou (EJC, 2025). As a key tool, we determine the rainbow hyper-Tur\'{a}n number for expansions of cliques, which is defined as the maximum sum of size of a sequence of hypergraphs $\mathcal{H}_1,\dots,\mathcal{H}_k$ that contains no rainbow copies of expansions of cliques with given size. It extends the result of Keevash, Saks, Sudakov and Verstra{\"e}te (AAM, 2004), which determined the rainbow Tur\'an number of cliques in the graph case. These results shows a correlation between the hyper-Tur\'an problem and the rainbow hyper-Tur\'an number.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript determines the extremal number ex(n, {M^r_{s+1}, K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+}}) for r-uniform hypergraphs on n vertices, for all s < (ℓ²-1)/2 and all sufficiently large s (with n large). The proof proceeds by first establishing the exact value of the rainbow hyper-Turán number for the family of K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+} expansions, then applying stability to show that any extremal hypergraph must be either a bounded matching or the Turán hypergraph for the expansion; this partly confirms the Gerbner-Tompkins-Zhou conjecture.
Significance. If the derivations hold, the work supplies the first exact results for hypergraph Turán problems with an additional matching-number constraint, extends the rainbow Turán theorem of Keevash-Saks-Sudakov-Verstraëte from graphs to hypergraphs, and exhibits a direct correlation between the rainbow auxiliary and the ordinary extremal function. The stability arguments for the two regimes of s constitute a technically substantive contribution to the field.
minor comments (3)
- The abstract states the result for 'all small s < (ℓ²-1)/2' and 'all sufficiently large s' but does not indicate whether the two regimes meet or leave a gap; a sentence clarifying the transition (or its dependence on r and ℓ) would improve readability.
- Notation for the rainbow hyper-Turán number is introduced without an explicit symbol in the abstract; defining it (e.g., as ex_rainbow(n, K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+})) at first use would help readers track the auxiliary quantity through the argument.
- The manuscript cites Gerbner-Tompkins-Zhou (EJC 2025) for the conjecture but does not compare the new ranges of s with those already settled in that paper; a short paragraph in the introduction would clarify the incremental progress.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their careful reading of the manuscript and for the positive summary and recommendation of minor revision. We appreciate the recognition of the technical contributions, including the rainbow hyper-Turán result and the stability arguments in the two regimes of s. We will incorporate any minor suggestions into the revised version.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity in the derivation chain
full rationale
The paper derives the rainbow hyper-Turán number for clique expansions independently by extending the external Keevash-Saks-Sudakov-Verstraëte theorem on rainbow Turán numbers, then applies this auxiliary quantity to bound the primary extremal function (maximum edges without M^r_{s+1} or K_{ℓ+1}^{(r)+}). The main result for small s < (ℓ²-1)/2 and large s uses separate stability arguments that force the extremal construction once the rainbow threshold is reached; neither step reduces to self-definition, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, nor a load-bearing self-citation chain. The partial confirmation of the Gerbner-Tompkins-Zhou conjecture is a consequence of these independent derivations rather than an input assumption.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math Standard axioms of extremal set theory and hypergraph Turán problems.
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