arxiv: 2605.08322 · v2 · submitted 2026-05-08 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI

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SDG-MoE: Signed Debate Graph Mixture-of-Experts

Stepan Kulibaba , Kirill Labzin , Artem Dzhalilov , Roman Pakhomov , Oleg Svidchenko , Alexander Gansnikov , Aleksei Shpilman

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classification 💻 cs.LG cs.AI

keywords mixture of expertssigned graphsexpert deliberationmessage passinglanguage model pretrainingperplexitysparse architecturesgraph communication

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SDG-MoE lets routed experts deliberate through learned support and critique graphs before aggregation.

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The paper proposes SDG-MoE to address the lack of communication among independently processing experts in standard mixture-of-experts models. It introduces learned support and critique matrices that enable signed message passing among active experts, updated iteratively with anchoring to prevent drift. This deliberation is gated by disagreement levels, adding minimal overhead while maintaining expert specialization. Experiments in controlled pretraining show substantial perplexity reductions compared to baselines without such interaction.

Core claim

In SDG-MoE, two learned interaction matrices over the active experts—a support graph A+ and a critique graph A—enable a signed message-passing step that updates expert representations before final aggregation. A disagreement-gated Friedkin-Johnsen-style anchoring controls the strength of deliberation and preserves specialization. Theoretical analysis shows stability conditions and low-order overhead, while empirical results demonstrate improved perplexity on validation and external benchmarks.

What carries the argument

Signed debate graph with support matrix A+ and critique matrix A- that performs message-passing among routed experts, regulated by disagreement-gated anchoring.

If this is right

The architecture improves validation perplexity by 19.8% over the strongest baseline.
SDG-MoE achieves the best perplexity on WikiText-103, C4, and Paloma compared to vanilla MoE and unsigned graph baselines.
Deliberation adds only low-order computational overhead over the active expert set.
Expert states remain stable under the derived conditions during the iterative updates.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The learned matrices may reveal patterns in how experts reinforce or correct each other during processing.
This interaction mechanism could be adapted to other routing-based models to enhance collaboration without full dense computation.
Further iterations of deliberation might amplify gains if the anchoring continues to prevent instability at scale.

Load-bearing premise

The learned support and critique matrices combined with disagreement-gated anchoring lead to stable expert states and real performance improvements rather than mere fitting artifacts.

What would settle it

Training larger-scale models with SDG-MoE and verifying if the 19.8% perplexity advantage holds, or conducting ablations where the signed graphs are replaced with random fixed values to check if gains vanish.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.08322 by Aleksei Shpilman, Alexander Gansnikov, Artem Dzhalilov, Kirill Labzin, Oleg Svidchenko, Roman Pakhomov, Stepan Kulibaba.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: SDG-MoE augments Top-K routing with a compact signed deliberation module over the active experts. Only the shared expert states communicate, while private states bypass the graph and preserve specialization. A vanilla MoE would return P i∈S wiEi(x). SDG-MoE instead treats the selected experts as a small deliberative group and lets them exchange low-dimensional signed messages before the final consensus [P… view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Training and validation perplexity trajectories for the main systems. Both panels use a [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 4.** Figure 4: Dynamics controls. SDG-MoE is sensitive to deliberation depth, anchoring, and social [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_4.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: Representation-size and scale sweeps: hidden size/shared fraction, routing-scale stress tests, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_5.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 6.** Figure 6: Control loss diagnostics. Panel (a) reports validation language-modeling loss relative to [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_6.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 7.** Figure 7: Router and signed-deliberation diagnostics over training. Solid lines show smoothed [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_7.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 8.** Figure 8: Appendix-only sweeps. Panel (a) shows 20k paired screening deltas, where positive values [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_8.png] view at source ↗

read the original abstract

Sparse MoE models achieve a good balance between capacity and compute by routing each token to a small subset of experts. However, in most MoE architectures, once a token is routed, the selected experts process it independently and their outputs are combined via a weighted sum. This leaves open whether enabling communication among them could improve performance. While prior work has raised this question, direct interaction among the active routed experts remains underexplored. In this paper, we propose SDG-MoE (Signed Debate Graph Mixture-of-Experts), a novel architecture that adds a lightweight, iterative deliberation step before final aggregation. SDG-MoE introduces three components: (i) two learned interaction matrices over the active experts, a support graph $A^+$ and a critique graph $A^-$, capturing reinforcing and corrective influences; (ii) a signed message-passing step that updates expert representations before aggregation; and (iii) a disagreement-gated Friedkin-Johnsen-style anchoring that controls deliberation strength while preventing expert drift. Together, these enable a structured deliberation process where interaction strength scales with disagreement and specialization is preserved. We also provide a theoretical analysis establishing stability conditions on expert states and showing that deliberation adds only low-order overhead over the active set. In controlled three-seed pretraining experiments, SDG-MoE improves validation perplexity over both an unsigned graph communication baseline and vanilla MoE, outperforming the strongest baseline by 19.8%, and gives the best external perplexity on WikiText-103, C4, and Paloma among the compared systems.

Editorial analysis

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SDG-MoE adds signed support and critique graphs with disagreement-gated anchoring to routed experts and reports a nearly 20% perplexity gain, but the three-seed setup without ablations leaves the result fragile.

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SDG-MoE adds signed support and critique graphs plus a disagreement-gated anchoring step so that routed experts can deliberate before their outputs are summed. The combination looks new compared to standard MoE routing and the unsigned graph baselines they compare against. The paper does a clean job laying out the three pieces: the two learned matrices, the signed message passing, and the Friedkin-Johnsen style update that scales interaction with disagreement. The stability analysis they provide is straightforward and shows the overhead stays low order in the number of active experts. On the experimental side, the three-seed pretraining runs beat both vanilla MoE and the unsigned version, with the 19.8% gain on validation perplexity carrying over to the best scores on WikiText-103, C4, and Paloma. The main weakness is the experimental controls. Three seeds without variance or error bars is not enough to pin down whether the gain is reliable or tied to a narrow setup. There are no ablations that remove the signed edges or the anchoring gate to test if those are the actual drivers, so it is possible the improvement comes from extra capacity or different routing dynamics rather than the deliberation itself. The stress-test note is right to flag that this could be a small-scale artifact until we see scaling behavior. This paper is aimed at people working on MoE architectures for large models who are already thinking about expert communication. A reader who wants a concrete way to add structured interaction among experts will find the architecture and the theory useful to build on. It deserves a serious referee because the idea is well-motivated and the theory is there, even though the experiments need tightening up. I would send it to review with a request for ablations and more seeds or variance numbers.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript proposes SDG-MoE, a Mixture-of-Experts architecture that augments standard routing with a signed debate graph consisting of learned support matrix A+ and critique matrix A- over the active experts, followed by iterative signed message-passing and a disagreement-gated Friedkin-Johnsen-style anchoring step that modulates deliberation strength. It supplies a theoretical analysis of stability conditions and low-order overhead, and reports that in three-seed pretraining SDG-MoE improves validation perplexity by 19.8% over the strongest baseline while achieving the best external perplexity on WikiText-103, C4, and Paloma.

Significance. If the performance improvements are shown to be robust, the work would provide a concrete mechanism for structured expert communication that preserves specialization while adding only low-order cost, potentially benefiting sparse MoE scaling. The stability analysis and explicit overhead bounds constitute a positive theoretical contribution that goes beyond purely empirical MoE variants.

major comments (2)

[Experimental results] Experimental results (abstract and §4): the headline 19.8% validation-perplexity gain is reported from three-seed pretraining without variance, standard deviations, or statistical tests; this is load-bearing for the central empirical claim and leaves open whether the improvement is reproducible or an artifact of the narrow experimental regime.
[Ablation studies] Ablation and component analysis (presumably §4.2–4.3): no ablations are described that remove the signed edges (A+ vs. A-), the disagreement gate, or the anchoring term while keeping other factors fixed; without these controls it is impossible to attribute gains specifically to the deliberation mechanism rather than incidental routing or capacity changes.

minor comments (2)

[Methods] Notation: the dimensions and initialization of the learned matrices A+ and A- should be stated explicitly (e.g., shape relative to the number of active experts) to aid reproducibility.
[Figures] Figure clarity: any plots of expert-state trajectories or disagreement evolution should include error bands consistent with the three-seed protocol.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 0 unresolved

We thank the referee for the constructive and detailed feedback on our manuscript. We address the two major comments point by point below. We agree that both the statistical reporting of results and the addition of targeted ablations will strengthen the empirical claims, and we will incorporate the suggested changes in the revised version.

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Referee: [Experimental results] Experimental results (abstract and §4): the headline 19.8% validation-perplexity gain is reported from three-seed pretraining without variance, standard deviations, or statistical tests; this is load-bearing for the central empirical claim and leaves open whether the improvement is reproducible or an artifact of the narrow experimental regime.

Authors: We agree that the current presentation would be strengthened by explicit measures of variability and statistical tests. The three seeds were performed specifically to assess reproducibility under different random initializations, yet we did not report per-seed values, standard deviations, or formal tests in the submitted manuscript. In the revision we will add the individual seed perplexities, compute and report standard deviations across the three runs, and include a paired statistical test (e.g., t-test) against the strongest baseline. These details will appear in §4 with a corresponding update to the abstract. revision: yes
Referee: [Ablation studies] Ablation and component analysis (presumably §4.2–4.3): no ablations are described that remove the signed edges (A+ vs. A-), the disagreement gate, or the anchoring term while keeping other factors fixed; without these controls it is impossible to attribute gains specifically to the deliberation mechanism rather than incidental routing or capacity changes.

Authors: We acknowledge that the manuscript does not contain the requested component-wise ablations. While we already compare against an unsigned-graph baseline and vanilla MoE, these controls do not isolate the individual contributions of the signed matrices, disagreement gate, and anchoring term. In the revised version we will add a dedicated ablation subsection that systematically disables each element (A− set to zero, gate removed, anchoring disabled) while holding the routing mechanism and expert capacity fixed. The new results will be reported in §4 to clarify the source of the observed gains. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity in derivation chain

full rationale

The paper defines new components (learned support/critique matrices A+ and A-, signed message-passing, disagreement-gated Friedkin-Johnsen anchoring) and trains them end-to-end within the MoE architecture. The central claims are empirical performance gains measured against independent baselines (unsigned graph communication and vanilla MoE) on validation perplexity plus external benchmarks (WikiText-103, C4, Paloma). The provided theoretical analysis derives stability conditions and overhead bounds directly from the model equations without reducing the reported perplexity improvements to a tautology or fitted input. No self-citation load-bearing steps, self-definitional loops, or renamed known results appear in the derivation. The three-seed experiments constitute independent measurements rather than predictions forced by construction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 1 axioms · 1 invented entities

Only the abstract is available, so the ledger is limited to components explicitly named: the two learned interaction matrices are free parameters fitted during training; the Friedkin-Johnsen-style anchoring is an adopted domain assumption from opinion dynamics; the signed graphs themselves are invented entities whose independent evidence is the reported perplexity gains.

free parameters (1)

support graph A+ and critique graph A-
Learned interaction matrices over active experts; their values are determined by training rather than fixed by prior theory.

axioms (1)

domain assumption Expert states remain stable under the signed message-passing and anchoring rule
Invoked in the theoretical analysis section referenced in the abstract.

invented entities (1)

Signed Debate Graph with support and critique matrices independent evidence
purpose: Enable reinforcing and corrective interactions among routed experts
New structure introduced in the paper; independent evidence is the reported perplexity improvement.

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