arxiv: 2605.08625 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-09 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI

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Reasoning-Aware Training for Time Series Forecasting

Md Atik Ahamed , Mihir Parmar , Palash Goyal , Chun-Liang Li , Qiang Cheng , Tomas Pfister , Jinsung Yoon

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keywords time series forecastingLLM reasoningfoundation modelsdistilled embeddingscross-modal priorsquantile forecastingplug-and-play enhancement

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The pith

Injecting distilled LLM reasoning as continuous priors into time series models improves forecasting accuracy and adds qualitative reasoning.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

Time series foundation models excel at numerical predictions but lack the ability to reason qualitatively about patterns or context. Large language models can provide such reasoning but create problems when applied directly to numbers because text tokenizers break continuous values and inflate sequence lengths. STRIDE addresses this by distilling reasoning traces from an LLM into a lightweight model and projecting its mean-pooled hidden states directly into the numerical encoder of the time series model as a cross-modal prior. The combined system is trained jointly on cross-entropy loss for reasoning and quantile loss for forecasting. If the approach holds, time series models become both more accurate and capable of producing human-interpretable outputs without the usual modality mismatch.

Core claim

STRIDE integrates LLM reasoning into time series foundation models by distilling reasoning traces into a lightweight LLM and dynamically projecting its mean-pooled hidden states as a cross-modal prior into the target numerical encoder. The architecture is jointly optimized using cross-entropy and quantile losses. This yields state-of-the-art numerical forecasting on GIFT-Eval (0.674 MASE, 0.454 CRPS) and superior in-domain and out-of-domain numerical plus reasoning performance on TFRBench, while functioning as a plug-and-play improvement for diverse TSFMs across LLM configurations.

What carries the argument

The projection of mean-pooled hidden states from the distilled LLM as a cross-modal prior into the numerical encoder of the time series foundation model.

If this is right

STRIDE reaches 0.674 MASE and 0.454 CRPS on GIFT-Eval, surpassing existing time series foundation models.
It delivers better numerical and reasoning results both inside and outside the training distribution on TFRBench.
It improves multiple time series foundation models such as Chronos-2 and Timer-S1 in a plug-and-play manner across different LLM backbones.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The same prior-injection pattern could let time series models output natural-language explanations alongside their numerical forecasts.
The technique points to a general route for fusing discrete symbolic reasoning with continuous sensor or financial data streams.
Applying the method to longer forecast horizons or multivariate settings would test whether the reasoning prior remains effective when temporal dependencies grow more complex.

Load-bearing premise

The mean-pooled hidden states from the distilled LLM can be projected as a cross-modal prior that transfers useful qualitative reasoning into the numerical encoder without introducing noise, bias, or degradation of forecasting performance.

What would settle it

A controlled ablation on GIFT-Eval and TFRBench in which the reasoning prior is replaced by random vectors of the same dimension and forecasting plus reasoning metrics show no improvement or outright degradation.

read the original abstract

Time Series Foundation Models (TSFMs) excel at numerical forecasting but operate as black boxes lacking qualitative reasoning. Conversely, applying LLMs directly to temporal data introduces a modality gap: text tokenizers fragment continuous numerical values, degrading mathematical relationships and exploding sequence lengths, leading to computational overhead. To resolve this, we introduce STRIDE (Strategic Time-series Reasoning Injected via Distilled Embeddings), a novel framework natively integrating LLM reasoning into the continuous embedding space of TSFMs. Instead of discrete tokens, STRIDE distills reasoning traces into a lightweight LLM, dynamically projecting its mean-pooled hidden states as a cross-modal prior into the target numerical encoder. The architecture is jointly optimized using cross-entropy and quantile losses. Evaluations demonstrate STRIDE establishes state-of-the-art numerical forecasting on GIFT-Eval (0.674 MASE, 0.454 CRPS) compared to TSFMs and exhibits superior in-domain and out-of-domain numerical as well as reasoning performance on TFRBench. Specifically, STRIDE acts as a plug-and-play enhancement, consistently improving diverse TSFMs (e.g., Chronos-2, Timer-S1) across various LLM configurations. Thus, injecting semantic reasoning as a continuous prior equips TSFMs with human-interpretable reasoning while fundamentally improving predictive accuracy.

Editorial analysis

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STRIDE distills LLM reasoning into mean-pooled embeddings as a prior for TSFMs and reports plug-and-play gains, but the mechanism's contribution remains unclear without targeted ablations.

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The paper introduces STRIDE to close the gap between black-box time-series foundation models and LLM reasoning. It distills traces from an LLM into a lightweight model, then projects the mean-pooled hidden states as a continuous prior into the numerical encoder while training jointly on cross-entropy and quantile losses. This specific distillation-plus-projection setup is the main new piece; prior work either tokenized time series for LLMs or applied them separately, and this avoids both the fragmentation and the direct modality clash.

Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript introduces STRIDE, a framework that distills reasoning traces from a lightweight LLM into mean-pooled hidden states projected as a cross-modal prior into the continuous embedding space of Time Series Foundation Models. The joint architecture is optimized with cross-entropy and quantile losses. It reports state-of-the-art numerical forecasting on GIFT-Eval (0.674 MASE, 0.454 CRPS) versus prior TSFMs, plus superior in-domain/out-of-domain numerical and reasoning results on TFRBench, while functioning as a plug-and-play enhancer for models such as Chronos-2 and Timer-S1 across LLM backbones.

Significance. If the numerical gains are shown to arise specifically from transferable qualitative reasoning rather than added capacity or regularization, the work would meaningfully advance hybrid LLM-TSFM systems by enabling interpretable reasoning alongside accurate forecasting, with the plug-and-play design offering immediate practical value.

major comments (2)

[Method] The central mechanism projects mean-pooled hidden states as the cross-modal prior (described in the method section). No ablation isolating the pooling operator (mean vs. last-token vs. attention-weighted) is reported, which is load-bearing for the claim that the prior transfers step-wise logical structure rather than unstructured noise or bias; without it, the consistent lifts across Chronos-2, Timer-S1, and multiple LLMs could be explained by extra parameters alone.
[Experiments] The SOTA claims rest on the reported GIFT-Eval metrics (0.674 MASE, 0.454 CRPS) and TFRBench results, yet the experimental section supplies no protocol details, baseline hyper-parameters, statistical tests, or full ablation tables. This absence prevents verification that the gains are robust and not sensitive to post-hoc choices.

minor comments (1)

[Abstract] The abstract states that STRIDE 'consistently improving diverse TSFMs across various LLM configurations' but does not enumerate the exact LLM backbones or configurations tested; adding this list would aid reproducibility.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the detailed and constructive review. We address the two major comments point-by-point below. Both concerns are valid and will be resolved through targeted revisions and additions to the manuscript.

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Referee: [Method] The central mechanism projects mean-pooled hidden states as the cross-modal prior (described in the method section). No ablation isolating the pooling operator (mean vs. last-token vs. attention-weighted) is reported, which is load-bearing for the claim that the prior transfers step-wise logical structure rather than unstructured noise or bias; without it, the consistent lifts across Chronos-2, Timer-S1, and multiple LLMs could be explained by extra parameters alone.

Authors: We agree that an ablation study isolating the pooling operator is necessary to substantiate that mean-pooling specifically preserves step-wise logical structure from the distilled reasoning traces. Mean-pooling was selected because it aggregates the full sequence of hidden states into a single continuous prior, which aligns with standard practice for obtaining holistic sequence representations in transformer encoders. To directly address the concern, we will add a dedicated ablation in the revised manuscript comparing mean-pooling against last-token pooling and attention-weighted pooling (using the same LLM backbone and projection head). The new results will quantify performance differences and help demonstrate that the observed gains are not attributable to parameter count alone. revision: yes
Referee: [Experiments] The SOTA claims rest on the reported GIFT-Eval metrics (0.674 MASE, 0.454 CRPS) and TFRBench results, yet the experimental section supplies no protocol details, baseline hyper-parameters, statistical tests, or full ablation tables. This absence prevents verification that the gains are robust and not sensitive to post-hoc choices.

Authors: We acknowledge that the current experimental section lacks sufficient protocol details for independent verification. In the revised manuscript we will expand the Experiments section and add a comprehensive appendix containing: (i) complete hyper-parameter tables for STRIDE and all baselines (including learning rates, batch sizes, optimizer settings, and early-stopping criteria), (ii) full data preprocessing and split protocols for GIFT-Eval and TFRBench, (iii) statistical significance tests (paired t-tests and Wilcoxon signed-rank tests with p-values) on the reported MASE and CRPS improvements, and (iv) exhaustive ablation tables for every architectural component. These additions will confirm robustness across the evaluated models and LLM backbones. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; empirical architecture with independent benchmark validation

full rationale

The paper defines STRIDE explicitly as a joint-training architecture that distills reasoning traces from a lightweight LLM, projects mean-pooled hidden states as a cross-modal prior into the TSFM encoder, and optimizes via combined cross-entropy and quantile losses. Reported SOTA metrics (0.674 MASE, 0.454 CRPS on GIFT-Eval) and plug-and-play gains are presented as outcomes of empirical evaluation on external benchmarks (GIFT-Eval, TFRBench), not as quantities derived by construction from fitted parameters or self-referential equations. No load-bearing self-citations, uniqueness theorems, or ansatzes are invoked; the central claims rest on the defined training procedure and measured performance rather than reducing to inputs by definition.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 1 invented entities

Abstract-only review supplies no explicit free parameters, background axioms, or invented entities beyond the high-level description of the STRIDE framework itself.

invented entities (1)

STRIDE framework no independent evidence
purpose: Native integration of LLM reasoning into TSFM continuous embedding space
Newly proposed architecture described in the abstract

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Relation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.

STRIDE distills reasoning traces into a lightweight LLM, dynamically projecting its mean-pooled hidden states as a cross-modal prior into the target numerical encoder. The architecture is jointly optimized using cross-entropy and quantile losses.
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Theorem 1 (Variance Reduction via Reasoning Injection)

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doi: 10.18653/v1/2023.findings-acl.507

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Explainable

URLhttps://openreview.net/forum?id=Jbdc0vTOcol. K. Rasul, A. Ashok, A. R. Williams, A. Khorasani, G. Adamopoulos, R. Bhagwatkar, M. Biloš, H. Ghonia, N. Hassen, A. Schneider, S. Garg, A. Drouin, N. Chapados, Y. Nevmyvaka, and I. Rish. Lag-llama: Towards foundation models for time series forecasting. InR0-FoMo:Robustness of Few-shot and Zero-shot Learning ...

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Impactful Topics:Search for objective, external factors like public holidays, major weather events (heatwaves, storms), sporting events, conferences, or economic announce- ments

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Just state the event and its date

No Impact Analysis:Do NOT analyze the ‘potential impact’. Just state the event and its date

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Do not return a long, unprioritized list

Prioritize:Return only the top {search_events} most significant, time-specific events. Do not return a long, unprioritized list. IMPORTANT:Your entire response must be a single, concise, numbered list of events. •Do NOT add any preamble (e.g., ‘Here are the events:’). •Format: 1. [Event Name] ([Date or Date Range]) •If no events are found, return the sing...

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expect an upward shift of roughly 10-15 units,

Cross-Channel Analysis:Explain how channels influence each other (e.g., ‘A rise in Channel A will likely drive a delayed rise in Channel B’). 3.Qualitative & Flexible: •Do NOT provide exact equations (e.g., ‘add 0.2317’ is forbidden). • Describe behavior (e.g., ‘The trend should continue its recent upward path, but at a decelerating rate’). • CRITICAL:You...

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expect an upward shift of roughly 10-15 units,

Cross-Channel Analysis:Explain how channels influence each other (e.g., ‘A rise in Channel A will likely drive a delayed rise in Channel B’). 3.Qualitative & Flexible: •Do NOT provide exact equations (e.g., ‘add 0.2317’ is forbidden). • Describe behavior (e.g., ‘The trend should continue its recent upward path, but at a decelerating rate’). • CRITICAL:You...

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Describe their expected directional impact

Event Prediction:Since no external search is provided, you must infer and predict likely cyclical, seasonal, or external events purely based on the historical patterns. Describe their expected directional impact. 5.No Calculations:Do not generate a mock forecast table. — Full Historical Data Context — {context_str} IMPORTANT:Your entire response must star...

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expect an upward shift of roughly 10-15 units

Qualitative & Flexible:You MUST include flexible numeric ranges/directions (e.g., “expect an upward shift of roughly 10-15 units”). Do NOT provide exact equations

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Event Prediction:Infer likely cyclical, seasonal, or external events based purely on historical patterns

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cloud cover

Purely Analytical:Do NOT invent physical causes, real-world events, or dates (e.g., do not guess it is “cloud cover” or “equipment failure”). Your insight and planning must be derived strictly from the statistical properties of the numeric arrays provided

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Do NOT write Python scripts or markdown code blocks

No Code or Calculations:Do not generate a mock forecast table. Do NOT write Python scripts or markdown code blocks. 7.Strict Formatting:You must format your response exactly like this for every channel: [Channel X Name]: •Cross-Channel Analysis:[Your analysis] •Trend Component Plan:[Your qualitative plan] •Seasonality Component Plan:[Your qualitative plan...

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2.Scale Check: Read the ‘Data Scale Reference’ above

Forecast a plausible continuation based on the signal structure. 2.Scale Check: Read the ‘Data Scale Reference’ above. Your forecast must match this order of magnitude

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You are permitted to use the provided features, and you must reason over them

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Your output must be strictly limited to the final predicted values

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Your reasoning must be about pre-analysis

You must output step-by-step thinking, which is your reasoning. Your reasoning must be about pre-analysis. That is it should capture why certain forecast should be made rather than post explanation of the forecast. 29 Reasoning-Aware Training for Time Series Forecasting

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Hence, it must be detailed and specific

Your reasoning is like a directive to an LLM, which will be used to improve the forecasting performance of a downstream LLM. Hence, it must be detailed and specific

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Utilize your reasoning first, then derive the forecast

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Do not include any additional text

Provide the result ONLY as a JSON object containing the reasoning and numerical forecast array. Do not include any additional text

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reasoning

YOUR REASONING IS NOT ABOUT THE POST ANALYSIS RATHER IT IS A FUTURE DIREC- TION FOR THE DOWNSTREAM LLM TO FOLLOW. Your entire response should consist of nothing but the JSON object. Required Output Specification: Your response must be a valid JSON object with exactly two keys: - “reasoning”: A detailed text string documenting your reasoning. - “forecast”:...

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Input Data Context:{context_str} Ground Truth (The Ideal Analysis): Reasoning: {ground_truth_reasoning} Actual Future Values: {gt_vals_str} Candidate Prediction (To Evaluate): Generated Reasoning: {candidate_reasoning} Predicted Values: {cand_vals_str}

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Use the specific rubrics below to assign a score (1-5) for each

Task Annotation Instructions You must rate the Candidate Prediction on the following four metrics. Use the specific rubrics below to assign a score (1-5) for each. Metric1: DomainRelevance(1-5)Doesthereasoningincorporatedomain-specificterminology and logic appropriate for the dataset context? •1 (Irrelevant/Wrong): Wrong domain terminology. Logic makes no...

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metric_1_domain_relevance

Output Format Provide your assessment as a single valid JSON object. Do not include any text before or after the JSON. { “metric_1_domain_relevance”: { “score”:<int 1-5>, “reasoning”: “...” }, “metric_2_forecasting_correctness”: { “score”:<int 1-5>, “reasoning”: “...” }, “metric_3_event_relevance”: { “score”:<int 1-5>, “reasoning”: “...” }, “metric_4_logi...

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