arxiv: 2605.09816 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-10 · ⚛️ physics.optics

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Noise-like pulse laser source with ultrabroadband tunability and coherence-limited sub-structure

Xinyang Liu , Matias Koivurova , Regina Gumenyuk

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keywords noise-like pulsesthulium-doped fiber lasertemporal coherencebroadband tunabilityfiber laserdispersive Fourier transformationfull-field imaging

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A thulium-doped fiber laser produces noise-like pulses across its full 1650-2000 nm gain band while keeping temporal coherence low and phases uncorrelated between bunches.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper shows that a thulium-doped fiber laser can be operated in a noise-like pulse regime over its entire gain band of 1650 to 2000 nm. This regime consists of many short elementary pulses whose phases are random and uncorrelated from one bunch to the next. The result is a source that is both bright and tunable over hundreds of nanometers yet has a coherence time of only about 100 femtoseconds. Such properties make the source attractive for full-field imaging methods that need high brightness without speckle. Experiments and simulations confirm that higher gain lowers the coherence further while increasing output power.

Core claim

The paper establishes that operating the complete gain spectrum of a Tm-doped fiber laser in the noise-like pulse regime produces a tunable source with spectral widths between 13.8 nm and 18.8 nm, average powers from 63.3 mW to 213 mW, a coherence time of approximately 100 fs, and an average pulse burst duration of about 40 ps in the high-gain regime. The noise-like pulses are composed of countless structured elementary events with uncorrelated phases that vary randomly from bunch to bunch, and numerical simulations show temporal coherence dropping to about 0.2 at high gain.

What carries the argument

The noise-like pulse regime, in which the laser output consists of random bunches of short sub-pulses with uncorrelated phases.

If this is right

Output power rises while coherence falls as gain is increased.
The source supplies both spectral tunability and temporal incoherence for imaging.
Startup dynamics become observable on a shot-to-shot basis via dispersive Fourier transformation.
The mutual coherence function can be extracted from single-shot spectra to quantify the drop in coherence.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The same noise-like operation could be tried in other rare-earth fiber lasers to reach additional wavelength bands.
The random phase structure may reduce speckle in real-time imaging without external modulation hardware.
Cavity adjustments might allow tuning of the burst duration or coherence time for particular uses.
Detailed tracking of the elementary sub-pulses could open routes to partial-coherence control.

Load-bearing premise

That the noise-like pulse regime itself guarantees the absence of phase correlation between pulses and the observed low temporal coherence, as verified only through simulations and selected experimental traces.

What would settle it

Direct interferometric measurement showing sustained phase correlation between consecutive noise-like pulse bursts or a coherence time much longer than 100 fs at high gain would settle the claim against it.

read the original abstract

High brightness and low coherence laser sources with wideband tunability are essential for many full-field imaging applications aiming for high contrast and speckle free performance. However, this combination of parameters is challenging to achieve. The current solutions focus on decreasing spatial coherence or generation of time-varying speckle patterns, while suppression of temporal coherence typically compromises brightness. Here we demonstrate a wideband pulsed laser source with low temporal coherence and the absence of phase correlation between pulses as an alternative approach with simultaneous time and frequency diversity. The full gain spectrum of a Tm doped fiber laser (1650 nm 2000 nm) is operated in a tunable noise like pulse regime, which by nature is composed of countless structured elementary events with uncorrelated phases randomly varying from bunch to bunch. The measured spectral widths range from 13.8 nm to 18.8 nm, while the average output power varies between 63.3 mW and 213 mW. Numerical simulations reveal that temporal coherence decreases significantly with increasing optical gain, dropping from near unity at low gain to approximately 0.2 at high gain. The startup dynamics of the noise like pulse laser are experimentally studied using the dispersive Fourier transformation (DFT) method. Based on single shot spectra and frequency resolved optical gating traces, the coherence properties of the laser are further analyzed by calculating the mutual coherence function and cross-spectral density. The noise like pulse laser exhibits a coherence time of approximately 100 fs and an average pulse burst duration of about 40 ps in the high-gain regime.

Editorial analysis

A structured set of objections, weighed in public.

Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit. Tearing a paper down is the easy half of reading it; the pith above is the substance, this is the friction.

Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

Tm fiber laser demo claims full-band NLP tunability with low coherence for imaging, but abstract-only view leaves the coherence mapping uncheckable.

read the letter

The core takeaway is a practical experimental run of a Tm-doped fiber laser held in noise-like pulse operation across the entire 1650-2000 nm gain window, with measured spectra 13.8-18.8 nm wide, powers 63-213 mW, and reported coherence time near 100 fs plus burst length around 40 ps at high gain. Simulations in the abstract show coherence falling to about 0.2 as gain rises, and they add DFT traces plus mutual-coherence calculations from single-shot spectra and FROG data. That combination of wide tunability and explicit coherence metrics is the new piece; prior NLP work exists in fiber lasers, but locking the full Tm band into this regime while tracking startup and coherence looks like a useful extension for speckle-reduction applications. The paper handles the motivation cleanly and gives concrete numbers on output and spectra, plus a straightforward use of DFT to watch the dynamics. The approach of treating the NLP sub-pulses as having random phases from bunch to bunch is standard, and the drop in coherence with gain follows from the simulations they describe. The soft spots sit mainly in the missing details. Without the full text we cannot see the cavity layout, the exact tuning method that keeps the laser in NLP mode over 350 nm, the simulation parameters for gain saturation and noise, or the precise steps used to extract the mutual coherence function and cross-spectral density. The abstract states the low coherence follows “by nature” from the regime, yet that link still needs the raw traces and error estimates to be convincing. No data-exclusion rules or uncertainty bars are mentioned, so robustness is hard to judge from what is here. This work is aimed at fiber-laser and imaging groups that need bright, tunable, low-temporal-coherence sources. A reader building speckle-free full-field setups would find the reported parameters and DFT study worth looking at. It deserves a serious referee because the experimental direction is clear and the numbers are plausible even if the methods section is thin in the abstract. I would send it for review, expecting the referees to ask for cavity diagrams, full simulation code or parameters, and the exact coherence-calculation procedure before accepting the central claims.

Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript demonstrates a Tm-doped fiber laser operated in a tunable noise-like pulse (NLP) regime across the full gain band (1650–2000 nm). Measured spectral widths range from 13.8 nm to 18.8 nm with output powers between 63.3 mW and 213 mW. Numerical simulations indicate that temporal coherence drops from near unity at low gain to ~0.2 at high gain. Startup dynamics are examined via dispersive Fourier transformation (DFT), and coherence properties are analyzed from single-shot spectra and FROG traces, yielding a coherence time of ~100 fs and average burst duration of ~40 ps, attributed to the NLP sub-structure of uncorrelated phases varying randomly between bunches.

Significance. If the coherence properties and tunability are robustly supported by the full methods and data, the work provides a practical route to high-brightness, low-temporal-coherence sources with simultaneous time and frequency diversity, offering an alternative to spatial-coherence reduction or time-varying speckle for speckle-free imaging. The use of DFT for experimental startup analysis and the combination of simulation with FROG-based coherence calculations are positive elements. However, the limited text available prevents assessment of whether the reported coherence drop is a genuine consequence of the NLP regime or requires additional verification.

major comments (2)

The central claim that the NLP regime 'by nature' produces absence of phase correlation and a coherence time of ~100 fs rests on simulations and DFT/FROG analysis, yet the abstract provides no description of the simulation model (initial noise seed, gain saturation, nonlinear terms) or the exact procedure for computing the mutual coherence function and cross-spectral density from the single-shot spectra. This gap is load-bearing for the coherence-limited sub-structure assertion.
No experimental details are supplied on the cavity parameters, gain-tuning mechanism that maintains NLP operation over the entire 1650–2000 nm band, or data exclusion criteria and error bars on the reported spectral widths, powers, coherence values, or burst duration. Without these, the claim of ultrabroadband tunability while remaining in the NLP regime cannot be evaluated.

minor comments (1)

The spectral range is written as '1650 nm 2000 nm' without a hyphen or 'to'; this should be standardized to '1650–2000 nm' for clarity.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the detailed and constructive comments. We address each major point below and have revised the manuscript to strengthen the presentation of methods and supporting data.

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Referee: The central claim that the NLP regime 'by nature' produces absence of phase correlation and a coherence time of ~100 fs rests on simulations and DFT/FROG analysis, yet the abstract provides no description of the simulation model (initial noise seed, gain saturation, nonlinear terms) or the exact procedure for computing the mutual coherence function and cross-spectral density from the single-shot spectra. This gap is load-bearing for the coherence-limited sub-structure assertion.

Authors: We agree that the abstract is necessarily concise and does not contain the requested technical details. The main text already describes the split-step Fourier method employed for the simulations, the inclusion of gain saturation and Kerr nonlinearity, and the use of a random initial noise seed. In the revised manuscript we have added an explicit paragraph in the Methods section that specifies the exact parameters of the noise seed, the gain model, and the nonlinear coefficients, together with the step-by-step procedure used to compute the mutual coherence function and cross-spectral density from the measured single-shot spectra and FROG traces. These additions make the coherence analysis fully reproducible while preserving the abstract’s brevity. revision: yes
Referee: No experimental details are supplied on the cavity parameters, gain-tuning mechanism that maintains NLP operation over the entire 1650–2000 nm band, or data exclusion criteria and error bars on the reported spectral widths, powers, coherence values, or burst duration. Without these, the claim of ultrabroadband tunability while remaining in the NLP regime cannot be evaluated.

Authors: The full manuscript contains a dedicated Experimental Setup section that specifies all cavity components (fiber lengths, dispersion values, coupler ratios, and the tunable bandpass filter used for gain tuning). We have now augmented this section with the precise filter tuning range and pump-power settings that sustain stable NLP operation from 1650 nm to 2000 nm. In addition, we have inserted a Data Analysis subsection that states the signal-to-noise threshold for spectrum inclusion, the number of averaged shots, and the standard-deviation error bars reported for spectral width, average power, coherence degree, and burst duration. These revisions allow direct evaluation of the tunability claim. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; claims derive from direct measurements and simulations without reduction to inputs by construction

full rationale

The abstract presents the noise-like pulse regime properties, including coherence drop to ~0.2 and coherence time of ~100 fs, as results of experimental operation across the Tm:fiber gain band, numerical simulations of gain-dependent coherence, and post-processing via DFT/FROG to compute mutual coherence function and cross-spectral density. No equations, fitted parameters, or self-citations are shown that would make any prediction equivalent to its inputs by definition. The chain relies on observed single-shot spectra and standard modeling rather than self-definitional mappings or load-bearing self-citations, rendering the derivation self-contained against external benchmarks.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on standard domain assumptions in ultrafast fiber optics with no explicitly introduced free parameters, axioms beyond the stated nature of noise-like pulses, or new invented entities.

axioms (1)

domain assumption Noise-like pulses are composed of countless structured elementary events with uncorrelated phases randomly varying from bunch to bunch
Invoked directly in the abstract to explain the low coherence and absence of phase correlation.

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The full gain spectrum of a Tm doped fiber laser (1650 nm 2000 nm) is operated in a tunable noise like pulse regime, which by nature is composed of countless structured elementary events with uncorrelated phases randomly varying from bunch to bunch.
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Numerical simulations reveal that temporal coherence decreases significantly with increasing optical gain, dropping from near unity at low gain to approximately 0.2 at high gain.

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