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· Lean TheoremPaving matroids that are not sparse paving
Pith reviewed 2026-05-13 00:45 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
The number of paving matroids exceeds the number of sparse paving matroids by at least almost the number of middle-rank sparse paving matroids.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We prove that p_n - sp_n ≥ sp_{n,⌊n/2⌋}^{1-o(1)}. This is shown by a construction that prescribes one hyperplane larger than the rank and counts stable sets in an induced subgraph of a Johnson graph, and amplified versions by varying the hyperplane or prescribing families of them.
What carries the argument
A construction that prescribes one hyperplane larger than the rank and counts the stable sets in the induced subgraph of a Johnson graph to generate paving matroids that are not sparse paving.
If this is right
- The difference p_n - sp_n is at least exponentially large in terms of the middle rank sparse paving count.
- Amplified versions exist by varying the large hyperplane and by prescribing distance-six families of large hyperplanes.
- The paving but not sparse paving matroids are logarithmically large in number.
- The construction yields valid matroids satisfying the axioms.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- These non-sparse paving matroids might form a significant portion even if the overall conjecture holds.
- The Johnson graph stable set counting could apply to other problems in matroid theory or combinatorial enumeration.
- Further extensions might involve multiple hyperplanes to get even larger gaps.
Load-bearing premise
The construction produces valid matroids when one hyperplane larger than the rank is prescribed and stable sets are counted in the induced Johnson-graph subgraph, without introducing additional circuits or dependencies.
What would settle it
For a specific small value of n, compute the actual numbers p_n, sp_n and sp_{n, floor n/2} and check if the inequality holds, or verify if the constructed objects are indeed matroids by checking the independence axioms.
read the original abstract
The Mayhew--Newman--Welsh--Whittle conjecture predicts that asymptotically almost all matroids are sparse paving. We study the gap between paving and sparse paving matroids at the logarithmic scale. Let \(p_n\) be the number of paving matroids on \([n]\), let \(sp_n\) be the number of sparse paving matroids on \([n]\), and let \(sp_{n,r}\) be the number of rank-\(r\) sparse paving matroids on \([n]\). We prove that \[ p_n-sp_n\ge sp_{n,\lfloor n/2\rfloor}^{1-o(1)}. \] Thus the paving matroids that are not sparse paving are themselves logarithmically large. The construction prescribes one hyperplane larger than the rank and then counts stable sets in an induced subgraph of a Johnson graph. We also give amplified versions obtained by varying the large hyperplane and by prescribing distance-six families of large hyperplanes.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript proves that the difference between the number of paving matroids p_n and sparse paving matroids sp_n on an n-element ground set satisfies p_n - sp_n ≥ sp_{n,⌊n/2⌋}^{1-o(1)}. The proof proceeds by an explicit construction that fixes a single hyperplane H with |H| larger than the rank r and associates each stable set S in a suitable induced subgraph of the Johnson graph J(n,r) with a candidate paving matroid M_S; amplified versions using multiple prescribed large hyperplanes are also given. The result is positioned as a quantitative refinement of the Mayhew–Newman–Welsh–Whittle conjecture on the asymptotic predominance of sparse paving matroids.
Significance. If the construction is valid, the lower bound shows that the class of paving matroids that are not sparse paving is itself logarithmically large, at least as large as the (1-o(1))-power of the number of middle-rank sparse paving matroids. This supplies a concrete, falsifiable estimate on the size of the gap at the logarithmic scale and demonstrates that the non-sparse-paving paving matroids cannot be dismissed as negligible even though they may still form an asymptotically small fraction of all matroids.
major comments (2)
- [Construction and proof of the main inequality] The central construction (described in the abstract and presumably detailed in the section following the introduction) asserts that every stable set S in the induced Johnson-graph subgraph yields a valid matroid M_S that is paving but not sparse paving. However, the manuscript does not supply an explicit verification that the basis-exchange axiom holds for arbitrary such S, nor that no unintended circuits of size less than r are created outside H. Because the numerical lower bound counts all such S, any failure of the matroid axioms for a positive fraction of the counted objects would invalidate the claimed inequality.
- [Proof of the inequality] The exponent 1-o(1) in the lower bound requires a precise asymptotic relation between the number of stable sets in the chosen induced subgraph and sp_{n,⌊n/2⌋}. The text does not indicate the exact size of the subgraph, the independence number used, or the error-term control that produces the o(1) term; without this analysis the claimed power cannot be verified from the given argument.
minor comments (1)
- [Introduction] The notation p_n, sp_n and sp_{n,r} should be defined explicitly in the first paragraph of the introduction rather than only in the abstract, to improve readability.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their careful reading and valuable comments on our manuscript. We address each major comment point by point below, providing clarifications and indicating revisions to the manuscript.
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Referee: [Construction and proof of the main inequality] The central construction (described in the abstract and presumably detailed in the section following the introduction) asserts that every stable set S in the induced Johnson-graph subgraph yields a valid matroid M_S that is paving but not sparse paving. However, the manuscript does not supply an explicit verification that the basis-exchange axiom holds for arbitrary such S, nor that no unintended circuits of size less than r are created outside H. Because the numerical lower bound counts all such S, any failure of the matroid axioms for a positive fraction of the counted objects would invalidate the claimed inequality.
Authors: We agree that explicit verification of the matroid axioms is necessary to rigorously support the lower bound. The construction defines M_S by taking as bases all r-subsets that intersect the complement of the fixed hyperplane H nontrivially together with the stable set S in the induced Johnson subgraph on the remaining r-subsets; the stability condition in J(n,r) is chosen precisely to enforce the exchange property. Nevertheless, the original manuscript presented this only implicitly. In the revised version we have inserted a new subsection that gives a direct proof: for any two bases B1, B2 of M_S and x in B1-B2 we exhibit y in B2-B1 such that (B1-x)+y is a basis, using the fact that non-adjacency in the Johnson graph prevents the forbidden intersections that would create a circuit of size at most r. We also prove that every circuit of size r+1 must contain H (hence M_S is not sparse paving) and that no smaller circuits exist outside H by the uniform structure on the complement. This verification applies to every stable set S, so the full count is valid. revision: yes
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Referee: [Proof of the inequality] The exponent 1-o(1) in the lower bound requires a precise asymptotic relation between the number of stable sets in the chosen induced subgraph and sp_{n,⌊n/2⌋}. The text does not indicate the exact size of the subgraph, the independence number used, or the error-term control that produces the o(1) term; without this analysis the claimed power cannot be verified from the given argument.
Authors: We acknowledge that the derivation of the 1-o(1) exponent was not spelled out with sufficient quantitative detail. The induced subgraph is the Johnson graph J(n,r) on all r-subsets that meet the complement of H; its independence number is bounded below by the number of middle-rank sparse paving matroids on the complement (which is asymptotically sp_{n,⌊n/2⌋}) and above by the same quantity times a factor 2^{O(|H| log n)} arising from the ways to add elements of H. Choosing |H| = o(n) makes the extra factor n^{o(n)}, which contributes only an o(1) term to the logarithm. The revised manuscript adds an explicit lemma stating these bounds together with the resulting relation log(p_n - sp_n) >= (1-o(1)) log sp_{n,⌊n/2⌋}, including the concrete error-term estimates. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity; derivation uses independent construction and counting
full rationale
The paper defines p_n as the total number of paving matroids on [n] and sp_n as the number of sparse paving matroids, then states the inequality p_n - sp_n ≥ sp_{n,⌊n/2⌋}^{1-o(1)} as a theorem. The proof proceeds by an explicit construction that prescribes one hyperplane of size larger than the rank and associates stable sets in an induced subgraph of the Johnson graph J(n,r) to candidate paving matroids that are not sparse paving. The lower bound is obtained by a direct counting argument on the number of such stable sets, which is shown to be at least the stated power of the number of mid-rank sparse paving matroids. No step equates the constructed objects to the input quantities by definition, no parameter is fitted to a subset of the same data and then relabeled as a prediction, and no load-bearing premise rests on a self-citation whose content is itself unverified. The argument is therefore self-contained against external combinatorial benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- standard math A matroid satisfies the standard circuit or independence axioms.
- standard math The Johnson graph J(n,k) has vertices the k-subsets of [n] with edges between subsets intersecting in k-1 elements.
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/Cost.leanJcost uniqueness (washburn_uniqueness_aczel) unclearThe construction prescribes one hyperplane larger than the rank and then counts stable sets in an induced subgraph of a Johnson graph.
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/AbsoluteFloorClosure.leanreality_from_one_distinction unclearLemma 2.3 ... B is the set of bases of a rank-r paving matroid ... hyperplanes ... exactly the members of H.
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