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arxiv: 2605.21509 · v1 · pith:RYIIOQMGnew · submitted 2026-05-12 · ⚛️ physics.flu-dyn · physics.ao-ph· physics.chem-ph

Tracking water vapor homogeneous nucleation and droplet growth with spectroscopy and holography in a free expansion cloud chamber

Cole R. Sagan , Gwenore F. Pokrifka , Samuel M. Koblensky , Martin A. Erinin , Ilian Ahmed , Nadir Jeevanjee , Luc Deike , Marissa L. Weichman This is my paper

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keywords homogeneous nucleationwater vaporsaturation ratioexpansion chamberTDLASholographydroplet growthmixing effects
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Homogeneous nucleation of water vapor occurs at saturation ratio near 5.

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The paper sets up a rapid expansion chamber to observe water vapor turning into liquid droplets under controlled conditions. Tunable diode laser absorption spectroscopy measures the remaining vapor while in-line holography records the number and size of new droplets as the expansion proceeds. From these combined readings the authors extract the peak saturation ratio reached in each run and identify the point where nucleation reliably begins. This threshold matches earlier reports and the predictions of classical nucleation theory. The measurements also expose how mixing and turbulence inside the chamber alter droplet growth after the initial nucleation event.

Core claim

In the rapid expansion aerosol chamber, TDLAS tracks vapor concentration while holography tracks droplet size and number throughout the expansion. Peak saturation ratios are retrieved from the TDLAS data together with adjusted thermocouple temperatures. Nucleation begins once the saturation ratio reaches a threshold near S=5, in agreement with prior literature and classical nucleation theory. Average droplet diameter and concentration trends indicate warm air pockets near the walls mix inhomogeneously with colder central air. Forced mixing with fans improves spatial temperature uniformity yet broadens the droplet size distribution.

What carries the argument

Combined TDLAS vapor-concentration measurements and in-line holography droplet tracking inside a free-expansion cloud chamber.

If this is right

  • Nucleation onset is observed near S=5 and aligns with classical nucleation theory.
  • Droplet number and growth rates vary with the degree of post-expansion mixing.
  • Forced mixing improves temperature uniformity across the chamber volume.
  • The dual optical techniques can follow both vapor and liquid phases at the high supersaturations required for homogeneous nucleation.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same chamber and diagnostics could test nucleation thresholds for other condensable vapors under varying expansion rates.
  • Accounting for wall-driven mixing may refine models that predict droplet spectra in turbulent clouds.
  • Coupling these measurements to fluid simulations could quantify how small-scale temperature fluctuations control nucleation timing.

Load-bearing premise

The saturation ratio derived from TDLAS vapor readings and adjusted thermocouple temperatures accurately reflects the conditions at the chamber center that trigger nucleation.

What would settle it

Direct local measurements at the chamber center that yield saturation ratios markedly different from the TDLAS-derived values at the moment nucleation is first detected would falsify the reported threshold.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.21509 by Cole R. Sagan, Gwenore F. Pokrifka, Ilian Ahmed, Luc Deike, Marissa L. Weichman, Martin A. Erinin, Nadir Jeevanjee, Samuel M. Koblensky.

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We use a newly commissioned rapid expansion aerosol chamber (REACh) facility to study the homogeneous nucleation of water vapor to form liquid droplets. We perform high-speed measurements to track the partitioning of water into vapor and droplets throughout the expansion process, including tunable diode laser absorption spectroscopy (TDLAS) to access the vapor concentration and in-line holography to track the size and concentration of nucleating droplets. We retrieve the peak saturation ratio achieved in each expansion from the TDLAS measurements in combination with adjusted thermocouple temperature readout. We monitor the number of nucleated droplets and their subsequent growth as a function of saturation ratio, and observe the onset of homogeneous nucleation of water vapor occurring at a threshold saturation ratio near $S=5$, in agreement with prior literature and classical nucleation theory. The trends we observe in average diameter and droplet concentration suggest that warm air pockets near the chamber walls inhomogeneously mix with cold air at the center of the chamber following expansion. Active forced mixing with fans yields more spatially uniform temperature readings across the chamber, but also significantly broadens the droplet size distribution. Our results demonstrate the capability of TDLAS and holography techniques to track both water vapor and liquid water in the high saturation ratio environments necessary for the homogeneous nucleation of droplets. Our findings also reveal that droplet nucleation and growth dynamics are highly sensitive to turbulence.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript reports experiments in a newly commissioned rapid expansion aerosol chamber (REACh) using tunable diode laser absorption spectroscopy (TDLAS) to measure vapor concentration and in-line holography to track droplet size and number density during free expansions of water vapor. The central claim is that homogeneous nucleation onsets at a threshold saturation ratio near S=5, consistent with classical nucleation theory and prior literature; the authors also report that post-expansion inhomogeneous mixing of warm wall pockets with cold center air affects droplet growth, while forced mixing broadens the size distribution.

Significance. If the local saturation ratio at the nucleation site is accurately determined, the work provides useful high-speed, in-situ diagnostics for tracking both vapor and liquid partitioning in high-supersaturation expansions. The demonstration of combined TDLAS and holography techniques, together with the explicit discussion of mixing-induced spatial nonuniformity, could inform the design of future cloud-chamber studies in fluid dynamics and aerosol science.

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  1. [Abstract and Results] Abstract and Results: The peak saturation ratio is obtained from path-averaged TDLAS vapor concentration combined with an 'adjusted' thermocouple temperature. The manuscript itself notes inhomogeneous mixing of warm wall pockets with cold center air after expansion. Because TDLAS is line-of-sight and the thermocouple is a point measurement, spatial gradients will cause the derived S to differ from the local value at the chamber center where nucleation occurs. The adjustment procedure is unspecified; this directly affects the validity of the reported threshold S≈5 and must be detailed with validation (e.g., comparison to local probes or CFD) before the onset claim can be accepted.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Results] The abstract states that forced mixing 'significantly broadens the droplet size distribution'; include quantitative metrics (e.g., standard deviation or polydispersity index) and corresponding holography images or histograms to support this observation.
  2. [Methods] Clarify the temporal resolution and spatial averaging inherent to the TDLAS and holography measurements when reporting the 'onset' timing relative to the expansion.

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We thank the referee for their careful and constructive review of our manuscript. We address the major comment on the saturation ratio determination below and have revised the manuscript to improve transparency on this point.

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  1. Referee: The peak saturation ratio is obtained from path-averaged TDLAS vapor concentration combined with an 'adjusted' thermocouple temperature. The manuscript itself notes inhomogeneous mixing of warm wall pockets with cold center air after expansion. Because TDLAS is line-of-sight and the thermocouple is a point measurement, spatial gradients will cause the derived S to differ from the local value at the chamber center where nucleation occurs. The adjustment procedure is unspecified; this directly affects the validity of the reported threshold S≈5 and must be detailed with validation (e.g., comparison to local probes or CFD) before the onset claim can be accepted.

    Authors: We agree that the adjustment procedure for the thermocouple temperature was insufficiently detailed and that spatial inhomogeneities warrant explicit discussion. In the revised manuscript we have added a dedicated paragraph in the Methods section describing the adjustment: it is derived from pre-expansion calibration runs comparing thermocouple readings to independent pressure-based temperature estimates under uniform conditions, with a small empirical correction applied to account for wall heat transfer observed in the post-expansion phase. We also clarify that the TDLAS beam traverses the central volume where holography confirms nucleation first appears, and that the reported onset occurs at the end of the rapid expansion before significant wall-pocket mixing develops (as evidenced by the timing of droplet appearance in the holography data). While we acknowledge that full CFD validation or additional local probes would further strengthen the local S estimate, the consistency of our threshold with classical nucleation theory and prior literature, together with the direct observation of nucleation timing, supports the reported value. We have expanded the discussion of uncertainties arising from path averaging. revision: yes

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full rationale

The paper is an experimental study that measures vapor concentration via TDLAS, temperature via thermocouple, and droplet properties via holography during chamber expansions. The central claim reports an observed nucleation onset threshold near S=5 and notes agreement with prior literature and classical nucleation theory. Saturation ratio is retrieved from direct measurements rather than derived or fitted from the nucleation data itself. No equations or steps reduce the reported threshold to a self-definition, a fitted input renamed as prediction, or a self-citation chain. The work remains self-contained against external benchmarks, with any mixing inhomogeneity concerns falling under measurement accuracy rather than circularity.

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The central claim rests on standard assumptions in thermodynamics and fluid dynamics for interpreting saturation ratios and droplet growth; no free parameters or invented entities are evident from the abstract.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Classical nucleation theory provides the expected threshold for homogeneous nucleation of water vapor.
    The paper compares observations to this theory for validation.

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