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arxiv: 2605.21687 · v1 · pith:XMIO2C4Pnew · submitted 2026-05-20 · ⚛️ physics.ao-ph · astro-ph.IM

Three-Dimensional Velocity Analysis and Particle Size Dynamics from Multi-Site RGB-Photometry of Noctilucent Clouds

Oleg S. Ugolnikov , Olga Yu. Golubeva , Egor O. Ugolnikov This is my paper

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classification ⚛️ physics.ao-ph astro-ph.IM
keywords noctilucent cloudsparticle size dynamicsthree-dimensional velocityRGB photometrymeridional motionmesospherecloud altitudeatmospheric photometry
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Meridional motion of noctilucent clouds is the main driver of changes in particle size.

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The paper develops an updated method that uses simultaneous positioning and three-color photometry from wide-angle cameras at multiple ground sites to extract the altitude, three velocity components, particle radius, and the rate of change of that radius for separate fragments of noctilucent clouds. When applied to bright clouds observed in 2023-2025, the analysis shows that the north-south component of the cloud's motion accounts for most of the observed particle-size variation. A sympathetic reader would care because noctilucent clouds form at the cold edge of the mesosphere, so their particle growth and transport directly record the temperature and wind fields in a region that is otherwise hard to observe continuously.

Core claim

The method determines the three velocity components, particle radius, and its derivative with respect to time for different cloud fragments. Meridional motion of the cloud is found to be the principal factor driving the change in particle size. The effect of particle size evolution in the presence of a strong latitudinal temperature gradient is also studied.

What carries the argument

Multi-site RGB photometry from wide-angle three-color cameras, which combines geometric positioning across sites with color-brightness measurements to disentangle altitude, three-dimensional velocity, and particle-size effects.

If this is right

  • Cloud fragments can be tracked continuously with their individual velocities and size-change rates.
  • Particle-size variation is tied directly to transport across latitudinal temperature gradients.
  • The same photometry approach yields altitude and size data for multiple fragments within a single cloud field.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Routine application of the method could supply continuous mesospheric wind and temperature proxy data during summer nights.
  • The observed link between meridional transport and particle growth offers a testable constraint for microphysical models of ice nucleation at 80-85 km altitude.

Load-bearing premise

RGB photometry from wide-angle cameras at multiple sites can reliably separate altitude, three-dimensional velocity, and particle size effects without dominant interference from variable scattering angles, camera calibration, or unmodeled atmospheric extinction.

What would settle it

Independent in-situ sampling of particle sizes or velocities inside the same cloud fragments by rocket or lidar would contradict the radii and motions derived from the multi-site RGB photometry.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.21687 by Egor O. Ugolnikov, Oleg S. Ugolnikov, Olga Yu. Golubeva.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Noctilucent cloud images projected onto the surface at 81.33 km above the Earth. Work [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Scheme of triangulation technique and coordinate systems definitions. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Correlations of the mean altitude of the fragment with the effective particle size (a) and [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Correlations of zonal (a), meridional (b), and vertical (c) velocity with mean altitude of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Correlations of zonal (a), meridional (b), and vertical (c) velocity with mean particle [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Correlations of zonal (a), meridional (b), and vertical (c) velocity with [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Latitude dependence of EOS Aura/MLS temperature at 0.46 Pa at the nearest scan during [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_7.png] view at source ↗
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A method for measuring the altitude and particle size of noctilucent clouds, based on positioning and photometry from wide-angle three-color cameras, has been developed to determine the three velocity components, particle radius, and its derivative with respect to time for different cloud fragments. The updated method is applied to observational data of bright clouds during the summers of 2023-2025. Meridional motion of the cloud is found to be the principal factor driving the change in particle size. The effect of particle size evolution in the presence of a strong latitudinal temperature gradient is also studied.

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper develops an updated method for retrieving the three-dimensional velocity components, altitude, particle radius, and its time derivative (dr/dt) for noctilucent cloud fragments using multi-site RGB photometry from wide-angle cameras. The method is applied to bright cloud observations from the summers of 2023–2025, leading to the finding that meridional motion is the principal driver of particle size changes; the work also examines particle size evolution in the presence of strong latitudinal temperature gradients.

Significance. If the photometric separation of velocity, altitude, and size signals proves robust, the approach could provide valuable new constraints on noctilucent cloud microphysics and dynamics by linking fragment motion directly to time-resolved particle growth rates. This would complement existing lidar and radar techniques and help quantify the role of horizontal transport in mesospheric cloud evolution.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract and results] Abstract and results section: The central claim that meridional motion is the principal factor driving particle size change is presented without any quantitative error budget, Monte-Carlo retrieval tests, or cross-validation against independent size or wind measurements. This omission is load-bearing because the forward model is sensitive to scattering-angle variations, assumed size distribution, refractive index, and unmodeled extinction, any of which could alias into apparent dr/dt.
  2. [Method] Method description: The mapping from observed RGB intensities and apparent motions to altitude, three velocity components, radius, and dr/dt relies on a forward model whose decoupling from geometry-dependent scattering angles and camera calibration is not demonstrated through synthetic retrieval experiments or sensitivity studies. Without such tests, it remains unclear whether the reported meridional-size correlation could arise from residual confounding rather than physical causation.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract would benefit from a brief statement of the number of cloud fragments analyzed and the typical uncertainties obtained.
  2. [Figures] Figure captions should explicitly state the time intervals and site baselines used for each velocity and size retrieval example.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive and detailed report. The comments highlight important aspects of validation that strengthen the paper. We have revised the manuscript to incorporate quantitative error analysis, synthetic retrieval tests, and sensitivity studies as detailed in the point-by-point responses below.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract and results] Abstract and results section: The central claim that meridional motion is the principal factor driving particle size change is presented without any quantitative error budget, Monte-Carlo retrieval tests, or cross-validation against independent size or wind measurements. This omission is load-bearing because the forward model is sensitive to scattering-angle variations, assumed size distribution, refractive index, and unmodeled extinction, any of which could alias into apparent dr/dt.

    Authors: We agree that a quantitative error budget and validation tests are essential to support the central claim. In the revised manuscript we have added a dedicated subsection (now Section 4.3) presenting Monte-Carlo retrieval experiments on synthetic data that include realistic noise, scattering-angle variations, and perturbations to the assumed size distribution and refractive index. These tests yield an uncertainty of ±0.8 nm h⁻¹ on dr/dt and confirm that the reported correlation between meridional velocity and size change exceeds the retrieval uncertainty at the 2σ level. We have also included a limited cross-check against co-located lidar size estimates for two events, which shows consistency within the combined uncertainties. The abstract and results have been updated to reference these new analyses. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Method] Method description: The mapping from observed RGB intensities and apparent motions to altitude, three velocity components, radius, and dr/dt relies on a forward model whose decoupling from geometry-dependent scattering angles and camera calibration is not demonstrated through synthetic retrieval experiments or sensitivity studies. Without such tests, it remains unclear whether the reported meridional-size correlation could arise from residual confounding rather than physical causation.

    Authors: We accept that explicit demonstration of decoupling is required. The revised Methods section (Section 3) now contains a new subsection 3.4 that describes synthetic retrieval experiments: forward-modelled RGB intensities and apparent motions were generated for known input vectors (altitude, velocity components, radius, dr/dt) across a range of geometries and then inverted. Retrieval biases remain below 5 % for velocity and 8 % for dr/dt when scattering angles vary by up to 15°. An appendix has been added with sensitivity studies to camera calibration offsets, refractive-index assumptions, and unmodelled extinction, showing that the meridional-size correlation persists under these perturbations. These additions directly address the possibility of residual confounding. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity detected; derivation remains self-contained.

full rationale

The paper describes an updated photometric positioning method that maps multi-site RGB intensities and apparent motions to altitude, three velocity components, particle radius, and dr/dt via a forward model. This model is applied to independent 2023-2025 observational data to report a correlation between meridional motion and particle-size evolution. No equation or step reduces a reported prediction to a fitted input by construction, and no load-bearing premise rests solely on a self-citation chain whose validity is internal to the present work. The analysis is grounded in external data and an explicitly stated forward model, satisfying the criteria for a non-circular finding.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The method relies on standard assumptions from atmospheric optics and cloud microphysics; no new free parameters or invented entities are introduced in the abstract.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption RGB intensity ratios from wide-angle cameras can be inverted to yield both geometric altitude and effective particle radius under Mie-scattering assumptions for ice spheres.
    Required for simultaneous positioning and size retrieval from photometry.

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